gov's double standards

foga SG

i think robertteh wanted to post this but click on the private msg instead.

It is very tough act to ask government to recognize open uni degree for two reasons. (1) Major government policy of old guard - talents or meritocracy remain in place and unchanged (2) Existing system is deeply entrenched to prove the point that the old guards are right.

Pride, pride and pride cannot be hurt.

Changes : Old economy cannot work. Two recessions cannot be altered by talents who were helplessly at a loss. Talents policy were proven mistaken.

If talent policy was found misplaced, the proof is clear closed uni system does not guarantee results. Let open degree holders be the new generation to lead Singapore from position of underdog.

foga SG

the degree u'll get upon grad would be from the Uni, for ur case, RMIT itself.

in public sector, a degree is not enough.

Mr philllip( dunno whether he still around in A-Star) yeo once commented abt grads. "without a good degree, go wash test-tubes" - something like tat.

frankly speaking, i dunno how a full time degree earned from distance learning via SIM would fare against say a full time NTU/NUS grad ( assuming the same level ) in the eyes of the HR's manager.

Xenthar SG

Hi everyone Smile I am a diploma holder fresh out of the army and can understand the situation. Its not just even about degree holders actually. For govt jobs that are suitable for diploma holders, they actually prefer to give to degree holders. I went for a quite a lot so I sort of get the idea. As for degree posts, go do a check and you will notice most of those employed are honours students.

To address the issue of why they don't openly admit it is simple. Not moral and ethical to do it openly. Simple as that. You can't expect the govt to "declare" they only want to accept NTU and NUS top honours students cause they are interested in papers can't you?

Another point someone mentioned about studying full time vs studying part time is quite shallow. Not everyone can afford to study full time for three years. I often suspect that most of the people who make this kind of statements are the types who have their parents paying for everything. School fees, cars and for some I know of even marriage and hdb apartments!
I guess that most job seekers after getting poked a few times would know better.

As for the final point someone mentioned about having limited view and being restricted, I agree. I had a taiwan friend living in Singapore who only had an ITE cert. Complained a lot to me that people do not give him chances( Same for my case even though I got a diploma!) I scolded him and guess where he is now. In China learining business from his Father who has his own company there. Sometimes people are just blind to the opportunities that are rite in front of their eyes.

My closing comment might make some angry but I feel its the truth. Education is good as a stepping stone. But the ultimate guage of success is when you can have your company and can become very rich and have more than a million. In spite of what they say, with enough money you can even change your environment. The CEO of Novena Furnitures said that too!
Like Henry Ford said before " Why should I know everything when at the push of a button, I can have people to give that info to me!" Like they say cash is king and even a Phd holder will have to bow before a mutli billionaire to work for him!

The Hobbit SG

Originally posted by Xenthar:
Hi everyone I am a diploma holder fresh out of the army and can understand the situation. Its not just even about degree holders actually. For govt jobs that are suitable for diploma holders, they actually prefer to give to degree holders. I went for a quite a lot so I sort of get the idea. As for degree posts, go do a check and you will notice most of those employed are honours students.

To address the issue of why they don't openly admit it is simple. Not moral and ethical to do it openly. Simple as that. You can't expect the govt to "declare" they only want to accept NTU and NUS top honours students cause they are interested in papers can't you?

Another point someone mentioned about studying full time vs studying part time is quite shallow. Not everyone can afford to study full time for three years. I often suspect that most of the people who make this kind of statements are the types who have their parents paying for everything. School fees, cars and for some I know of even marriage and hdb apartments!
I guess that most job seekers after getting poked a few times would know better.

As for the final point someone mentioned about having limited view and being restricted, I agree. I had a taiwan friend living in Singapore who only had an ITE cert. Complained a lot to me that people do not give him chances( Same for my case even though I got a diploma!) I scolded him and guess where he is now. In China learining business from his Father who has his own company there. Sometimes people are just blind to the opportunities that are rite in front of their eyes.

My closing comment might make some angry but I feel its the truth. Education is good as a stepping stone. But the ultimate guage of success is when you can have your company and can become very rich and have more than a million. In spite of what they say, with enough [b]money you can even change your environment. The CEO of Novena Furnitures said that too!
Like Henry Ford said before " Why should I know everything when at the push of a button, I can have people to give that info to me!" Like they say cash is king and even a Phd holder will have to bow before a mutli billionaire to work for him! [/b]

good point so no point in getting a doctorate now?

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