Homosexual Marriages

last SG · 2004-02-24T06:05:39+00:00

Do you really think it's a fad that they pick up and lose later?

pikamaster SG

the last question i can't answer, and i don't think anyone can.

however, i have some things to say abt the other issues u mentioned. in the AMerican and Canadian tussle over Homo rights, some adopted children of homo couples testified that they are actually very happy in their families and they are still hetero, married with children of their on with opp-sex spouses. they have not had any psychological damage yet.

Secondly, Sissies and tomboys are very much different from Homosexuals. the former are merely social stereotypical labels that apply because the individual is slightly different from others; tthe latter is a biological phenomenon (psychological is considered biological as well).

as for the comparison on number of homosexuals, don't jump into conclusions yet. think abt prostitution. i have a feeling that the number of prostitutes in Thailand roughly equal the number of prostitutes in Holland, desopite the countries' differing attitudes toward the issue.

the contemplative pikamaster

<sk> SG

- Well economically speaking, gay people do contribute to the economy by working (thus being as productive as normal people). However, they may only lack in one aspect, they do not contribute to the growing population ie 0 birth rate. However, they do make up by starting a family and adopting orphan kids or babies. Thus, stimulating the demand and supply for kids or babies, if there is sufficient gay families, there can be a decent demand for orphans or babies. Thus, benefiting the society as orphans can live together in a foster home with a gay family as the society does not need to pay for the needs and welfare for the orphans anymore(less strain on the governments budget on expenditure, thus a tiny reduction in taxes). Chances are, these orphan kids will be brought up happier and have a brighter prospect of being more productive.(Increased benefit to society and less of a nuisance to society if orphans are brought up in a halfway house)

- Through these simple reasons (theres more complicated economic terms which I prefer not to go into, so its pretty much in layman and logical reasonings) one can deduct that gay people are just as beneficial to the society as normal people.

Like I said, love is blind...

Lingos SG

Hmm.. i don't think it's a disease or whatever..
Neither is it a trend. I think there is a huge population of gays in countries where it is restrictive and prohibited -> Singapore.

But because it is accepted, they are louder and more open.

Guys, just look at how many people are waiting to get into Taboo and hanging around Ang Siang Hill on Sunday nights.. Hell.. any night or day. They are around.

Ecxentrique SG

what i think..

Its a matter of freedom for individuals.. maybe even talking about human rights.. i do not think its right.. to the point that if there is going to be a rally outside parliament building on this one i will join in.. culture or not i think such homo behaviour have been around for ages.. and yet this has not been really "banned" and homo's made to conform.. the general consensus is that most are rather indifferent. To the point that, there are no anti-gay/ lesbian policies to discourange this sort of thing. not long ago, GCT said that they are gays working in govt.. so what does this say? i think govt here and abroad are afraid of crossing that line to ban it altogether and maybe even knowing that establishing such bans will not be useful all the same... also knowing that such acts are not really going to kill anyone and make people lesser in anyway.. maybe the population policies wont work anymore but still its not like ethnic cleansing crimes..

last word.. no no no no for me..

pikamaster SG

hehe...read teh New York Times...

Dear old Bush is trying to push a constitutional ban on same-sex marriages, hoping to get votes for another term of presidency...

Lingos SG

Yeah but he's a texan red neck!

SGglobalist SG

I have read all the comments on this topic and I am just shocked by the ignorance and intolarance some people have towards gays and lesbians in society. Some of you talk about how 'society' cannot accept it, but who is deciding this? You?

In Singapore we are proud to say we are multiracial and multicultural yet a simple idea of acceptance and respect for diversty and people seem to be lacking. Is it right for anyone to place judgement on what goes on in the bedrooms of anyone. How if I said that I dont like the fact that some snore while they sleep and we as 'society' should stop this by reforming them, by putting them on the medical table and carve a bigger nostrail for the snorers so that they can be like 'us'.

Who are you to say that one should not do something because you dont like it. Have gays and lesbians harm you in anyway? Have they hurt your sense of identity? (maybe you are a closet then) The problem I have with the commentors (some of them) is that you all need to understand that the whole concept of being multicultural is that we accept everyone and respect their way of life.

I think if SG does not find ways to accept ALL people equally (be it skin colour or sexual orientation), we are going to be an oppressive society like the States. What is so scary about gay marriages? Personally I do not know. All I know is that if my gay friends were to get married, I will celebrate they joy and love.

All religions preach of love and peace, yet people like you, the hate starters, the gay bashers, the self righteous and 'civilised' bunch, are killing the others who just want to be equally accepted in society and are struggling to be heard, where years of senseless fear and discrimination has created a world filled with selfish firestarters.

Preech love not hate. Personally, those who truely condamn gay marriages should be the ones selected to be resocialised to respect and love again. Dont talk about how society does not accept it. Activism should start at the individual level, so make it clear do u accept it or not, because I am part of society and I do accept gay marriages and I do not want to be part of your hateful scam.

PRP SG

SGglobalist,
I didn't read anyone say one should hate gays.In fact,they give a very good analysis on this issue.

CX SG

SgGlobalist , u are right to say that change starts from the individual.

but we cannot ignore the fact that THIS society needs more information to balance the centuries of deeply entrenched homophobic discourse.

it is unfair of u to accuse people who are addressing the complexities of this situation of participating in a "hateful scam".

and are u sure all religion preaches unconditional love and acceptance?

christianity is overtly hostile to homosexuality, as is islam. christianity, i would venture, wasn't always so... but how it came to be is best left to another discussion... its a long, tedious history.

confucian-taoism is homophobic as well. again, long, tedious history best left to another discussion...

theravada buddhism offers a more nuanced view towards sex and sexuality, but i've never heard it said out loud today that they unconditionally accept homosexuality. why? cultural cross-fertilization... that's why...

in this modern rojak globalised world, beliefs have been mixing and matching in a most bizarre manner for over 200 years... and one aspect that has permeated every culture and religion in the process, is homophobia.

and this is not an automatic, self-evident process... powerful ideologies were at work all this while.

i am one who believes that the modern notion of sexuality and sexual norms are not natural categories, but artificial constructs. unfortunately, constructs become concrete over time for many pple.

until we can properly understand that, i don't think "universal love" is a compelling enough argument to change the opinions of minds who had always believed that they are correct in denouncing homosexuality.

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