Singaporean kena beaten up in Batam!! HOW Darew they!

last SG · 2003-07-08T22:04:24+00:00

aiya... u so not happy, boycott indonesia lah... don't visit them lor... nobody point gun at u ask u to go what...

chaar123 SG

Did u all hear the news other day? Singaporean guy go Batam he kena beaten up by immigatation officer. Whoa lan if it was me i will gun tao bu him ah! But then i very angry that this kind of thing happen in Batam. We should take revenge at have our irrigation officer beat up all the Indonesains iszit? (The country that ownz batam is Indonesai right?) Or the nationals of that particular countrylar dor revenegh!

albertson SG

This incident is unacceptable. The man involved has reported to the police which should investigate thoroughly. If found true, the government should send a protest note to the Indonesian government and demand the immigration officer concerned to be reprimanded.
We must protect our citizens from being bullied by any quarters.
Perhaps, we ought to form an NGO to take care of such things as sometimes the government seems to be lacklustre in this micro issue.

CX SG

oh please... and what is batam best known for these days?

that idiot go chulie ayam kena whack also want sg gov't to investigate?

please lah... if the indonesian police cares to investigate, he could probably be hauled up on several counts of statutory rape of minor... hookers there aren't only cheap... i heard they're young too...

no use wasting diplomatic capital over something as trivial as this. if horny chee ko pek wanna go batam and screw, he should at least have acquainted himself with the risks involved... STDs, thugs and rogue gov't officials.

no need me to remind that moron that prostitution isn't legal in indonesia either...

what can sg do? "oi megawati, we heard that one of our pple go batam and screw young pussies kena whack by your immigration officer u know... we contribute lots of money to the (sex) tourism economy ok... u better do something about it! otherwise we publish travel warning tell our pple no go batam then u know ah..."

albertson SG

Dear CX, this guy does not seem to be a horny guy who went there for the sleazy entertainment. If it is, then I have nothing to say. He appeared on TV-Channel U and told his misfortune.
As a people of dignity, we ought to stand by him to pursue the matter with those Indonesians who have a tendency or inclination to bully us, as though we were the minority in that country who were subject to all kinds of discrimination and incrimination.

Fanatical_Knight SG

I was in Indonesia once when i was young, i go there with my Mother for shopping, i went to Jakarta. I was about primary 6 that time. THen when we leaving Jakarta for Singapore, the Indonesian immigration guy told us to go to his office cos he wanted to speak to us about our passport visas or something. THen we went to his office with him, and then there was 1 buffy security guard there, very intimidating. Then the immigration guy said there was a problem with our visa and we cant return to Indonesia or something, this whole thing in his office took like 1 hour or something, immigration guy told my mum she had to pay him like $150 to clear the matter up. My mum was angry and argue with him lor, i also got restless and play with the chair (go round and round; 1 HOUR LEHhhhh). THen the immigration guy said i was nottie and he would hit me. MY mum got so furious she scolded him and said she was not paying, she would complain and that she did not need to pay cos we did not intend to return to Jakarta anyway. Then in the end, the immigration guy said to my mum something like "Gimme rupia buy coffee lar". Then me mum and me walked out lor, then we back here in Singapore.

I think Indonesia very corrupted one, dun go there.

evanesence SG

Pretty screwed up... those people there... Rolling Eyes

CX SG

this has absolutely nothing to do with dignity. the fact is, this is an isolated incident and it benefits no one to blow it out of proportion.

get used to the fact that other countries in the region do not necessarily subscribe to our standards of decency or rule of law. what can Sg possibly do to pursue the matter? how does it benefit us to do so?

they are not inclined, as u presume, to bully us for no reason... they're usually after some things. a bribe, a favour, or something. if someone is lame enough to provoke the authorities of another country while visiting it, he can only have himself to blame if he gets into unnecessary trouble.

whether u are right or wrong does not always matter. when in another country, avoid conflict and get home safe. any seasoned traveller will tell u that.

so why don't u put aside your foolish pride and just think for a moment instead of living in a dream-world that almighty Sg will champion your cause.

albertson SG

CX's attitude is quite typical of a kiasi S'porean. If everyone shuts his mouth under unfair and unjust treatment, S'pore will go under. No wonder former Indonesian presidents B J Habibie tried to belittle us and Gusdur suggested to Dr Mathathir to join hand with him to cut off supplying water to S'pore.
The reason why Americans feel proud of their country and stay loyal is largely because their government always take care of their interest, especially with respect to unfair treatment by other countries. Though we are small, it doesn't mean we can tolerate any one jumping on our head!
We must live honorably and no country must be allowed to bully our people ! This is the most fundamental of a nationhood. Or you want us a be a crouching dog and hidden cat ?

Viper52 SG

We claim sovereign laws and accuse Western nations of interfering when they complain about us caning their nationals for vandalism or hanging them for drug running. Yet here some of us are advocating doing the same to Indonesia. A little double standards here aren't we?

No doubt the Indonesian law enforcement and justice system is rubbish, but then the fact of the matter remains that each sovereign nation has their own laws and we should respect that just like we want other countries to respect ours. This is a simple law enforcement issue, by all means give legal help to the guy, but to blow it into a political issue here is really over the top, not to mention some here are advocating juvenile tit-for-tat actions

The Chinese say "Guo you guo fa, jia you jia gui" (Countries have laws, families have rules). A little respect here for others please?

CX SG

Originally posted by albertson:
CX's attitude is quite typical of a kiasi S'porean. If everyone shuts his mouth under unfair and unjust treatment, S'pore will go under.

u very cartoon u know... are pple kicking us around left right centre? it was an isolated incident. i'm sure u're not stupid so please use that little blob in your skull and put things into their proper perspective before u shoot your mouth off.

u're enduring unfair and unjust treatment every day in Singapore ANYWAY! u very champion right? go make some noise then.

kiasi? nay... lets just say that i have a realistic expectation of life: its not perfect, it often stinks and u can't get into a bar brawl with every guy u don't see eye to eye with. u gotta pick your fights carefully or u just end up with lots of bruises, 2 shiners and a busted crotch.

No wonder former Indonesian presidents B J Habibie tried to belittle us and Gusdur suggested to Dr Mathathir to join hand with him to cut off supplying water to S'pore.

typical armchair analyst... don't have the facts right, read nothing but straits times, CNA, and claims to be oh so prescient AFTER the events have already unfolded... they were doing it for a domestic audience lah... and its not that Habibie doesn't like us... he just doesn't like LKY... long story which u obviously don't know so why bother? as for that half blind and senile buffoon, i really don't think people care what he was saying when he started ranting and raving...

so did the "war" break out? did m'sia really use water as a "weapon"? hell no. there's more to international politics than big-talk.

The reason why Americans feel proud of their country and stay loyal is largely because their government always take care of their interest, especially with respect to unfair treatment by other countries. Though we are small, it doesn't mean we can tolerate any one jumping on our head!

ha ha ha... thats cute... thats REALLY cute... don't be a idiot lah... a little knowledge is a dangerous thing... i'll say one thing: when it suits them to do so! you won't hear about the rest. and even when it does, it often opens up a diplomatic can of worms and exposes them to international condemnation.

We must live honorably and no country must be allowed to bully our people ! This is the most fundamental of a nationhood. Or you want us a be a crouching dog and hidden cat ?

you're either ignorant or naive... i admire your patriotism, but i find it mis-placed. as mentioned by Viper52 above, you hold YOUR nation's safeguard sacred. what about other countries?

is your Nation's sovereignty paramount and above those of others? hell no. but your Nation's INTERESTS are paramount and above those of other countries. hence, its not about sovereignty or protecting citizens. it is about safeguarding interests.

if it serves the larger interest to champion the cause of one pathetic, maligned individual, i say go ahead.

if raising hell does no good to anybody except to soothe that fool's ego (and i still think he's silly to get himself into that kind of trouble overseas), then i say drop the issue from your retentive ass-cheeks man...

how the hell did u think u could retaliate anyway? start a war??? Mr. Green cartoon...

CX SG

double post

DiSjUstheStArt SG

"If you only got love for your own ways then you leave space to discriminate & to discriminate only generates hate & when you hate, then you're bound to get irate. Madness is what you demonstrate & that's exactly how anger works & operates." - Black Eyed Peas
Neutral

albertson SG

It is regretable that there are some people here who still sweep snow in front of their own house but do not care about those atop others roof. The manhandling by Indonesian official of a S'porean in Batam without any reason is a serious matter as it could happen to any of us. We ought to feel outraged if there is no investigation conducted by the authorities. It is a matter of human rights and we cannot just let our people bullied by others.
Come on CX and Viper 52, do not be a kiasi and make an excuse that it is an isolated case and does not deserve our sympathy.
Next time when you kena the same thing, don't expect us to come to your rescue. But frankly We ought to come to support you if you are in the right. This is nationhood,without which we are very insecured.

Viper52 SG

[quote]Originally posted by albertson:
It is regretable that there are some people here who still sweep snow in front of their own house but do not care about those atop others roof. The manhandling by Indonesian official of a S'porean in Batam without any reason is a serious matter as it could happen to any of us.

And what makes you so sure it was without reason? Did you hear the official Indonesian side of the story? All you did was hear the sod wailing on CNA that he was manhandled and bullied and you instantly form the opinion that hes right and the Indonesians are wrong? Whatever happened to objectivity? Neither CX nor I are saying that hes in the wrong but all we are are saying is that

1) Let the system run its course since the incident happened there
2) Its a issue of law enforcement not politics and we shouldn't make it so
3) Lets hear both sides of the story before jumping to conclusions and start baying for blood like hysterical women

Is that so hard for you to understand?

We ought to feel outraged if there is no investigation conducted by the authorities.

Let me make it clear again, in bold AND italics this time. This incident happened on THEIR sovereign territory. What gives us the right to go barging in?

It is a matter of human rights and we cannot just let our people bullied by others.

Two points:

- Since when was Singapore a bastion of human rights?
- Are you so sure of events to say for sure he was being bullied without provocation?

Come on CX and Viper 52, do not be a kiasi and make an excuse that it is an isolated case and does not deserve our sympathy.

I shall refrain from calling you names in return, and neither did I say he did not deserve our sympathy or help should he be found to be innocent, I'm just calling for us to respect another country's sovereign laws. Again, is that very hard for you to understand?

Next time when you kena the same thing, don't expect us to come to your rescue.

I don't. Unlike you I think I can look after myself and don't need momma to come to my rescue just because I get into a little trouble abroad. Send me a representative to make sure that my rights are looked after, by all means, but don't go hysterical and ruin the ties between 2 countries on my account like you are suggesting for this chap.

This is nationhood,without which we are very insecured.

So how secure does our government and million-dollar ministers make those Singaporeans whose rice bowl have been shattered by their Foriegn-Labour-Disguised-As-Foreign-Talents scheme?

You need not answer all my questions, just answer me this; How would you feel about Western countries kicking up a fuss and condemning Singapore for executing their nationals who smuggle drugs into Singapore? If you're angry at these countries, then why are you advocating we do the same to other countries? Why the double standard?

Do not do unto others what you do not want to done unto you.

CX SG

Originally posted by albertson:
It is regretable that there are some people here who still sweep snow in front of their own house but do not care about those atop others roof. The manhandling by Indonesian official of a S'porean in Batam without any reason is a serious matter as it could happen to any of us. We ought to feel outraged if there is no investigation conducted by the authorities. It is a matter of human rights and we cannot just let our people bullied by others.

repeating the same points without bringing in new facts/arguments to support them again? sigh...

either (a) refute my points or (b) support your points. don't keep repeating nonsense... nonsense repeated 100 times is still nonsense.

Come on CX and Viper 52, do not be a kiasi and make an excuse that it is an isolated case and does not deserve our sympathy.

it doesn't deserve sympathy at all because cases like these should be judged on merit, not emotions and only after a thorough investigation on both sides. since the indonesian side was not heard, it would be grossly unjust to judge them!

and why was the issue not pursued? maybe because it serves nobody's interests to do so! i keep telling u and u keep not listening!

to be rational and level headed is not to be kiasi. but it is idiots like u who start world wars and international incidents.

Next time when you kena the same thing, don't expect us to come to your rescue. But frankly We ought to come to support you if you are in the right. This is nationhood,without which we are very insecured.

i'm not stupid enough to land myself into THAT kinda ridiculous situation. as i said before: any traveller worth his salt will tell u the same thing. when overseas, keep your nose clean and your arse outta trouble, don't behave like u own the place, avoid confrontations with the authorities there, most important thing is to settle your business and get home safe!

u're either there for business, or holiday, or both, NOT TO CHAMPION THE CAUSE OF YOUR NATION.

DiSjUstheStArt SG

Why are there always hero wanabes everywhere.... If U are unhappy abt current events, in this case Batam Immigration!! Why are u not out there doing something abt it? Would U volunteer to be a representive or be the 1st to take "M.C." when it really happens? I would really like to hear the news finally say "Hero Wanabes finally prove critics wrong" & Dn't jump to assumptions.. there's always 3 sides of a story.. yours, mine & the truth. In this case, The beat up guy, Batam Immigration officer & YOURS(& u were not even there)!! Like I said, If u only got love for your own ways, u leave space to discriminate. Cheers! Very Happy

DiSjUstheStArt SG

& dn’t expect to find a little “Singapore” in other countries!! Believe that there are other places further than Sentosa or Woodlands that runs differently. Dn’t think as narrow as a one way lane at Bugis with added parked cars. I agree.. if youre on business, vacation or both… avoid confrontations with the authorities & dn’t behave as if u own the place. Many may be educated but I guess education can’t buy common sense!

Atobe SG

DiSjUstheStArt, well said.

I have seen quite a few ugly Singaporeans during overseas trips, always comparing what they see in foreign countries to what their experience is like in Singapore.

Amazing that they cannot accept conditions as they are in the foreign countries, and continuously make critical comparisons that belittle the host countries (even if spoken privately).

The other UGLY Singaporeans that I have met are some of those who hold cheap membership across the border in Batam, Johor and further up the Peninsula Malaysia.

These cheap Singaporeans, who cannot afford the high membership entry fees of the Country Clubs in Singapore, seems to act like "Royalty" with their almighty Singapore Dollar.

At the Club Houses across the border, they can be seen banging on the table, or clap their hand in sharp commanding way, to call the attention of the service staff, instead of waiting for service; or they will shout across the room to embarass the staff for slow service. The Singaporean can publicly scold the service staff for the most minor of reason, with themselves seated and the staff standing with hands behind the back - as if their membership entitle them to do so.

Little wonder that the image of Singapore and Singaporeans are held in poor view when tarnished by a few spoilt and cheapy Singaporean brats, who think that they are Citizens of a First World Country but still keeping their Third World behavior.

CX SG

its a perennial problem... doesn't just happen to pple from Sg... its seldom the really rich pple who're arseholes...

nouveau riche scums exist everywhere... i worked in the service sector before... some of the mainland chinese and indians are quite terrible also...

they'll mess up the room like anything, are really rude to all the service staff, always picking a fight cos they're oh so "wealthy"...

sounds familiar? well shame on us... what have we become...

the boom years have created a wealthy but uncouth middle class. civic consciousness has not kept pace with wealth.

this economic downturn might do us some good by putting the most arrogant among us back in our place.

face it: its not about a national identity or a national trait... thats just a self-serving shallow-stereotype. we need to look beyond $$$, spending $$$ and looking good with all that $$$ cos $$$ is getting increasingly short and will be for years to come. not to mention that it has made some of us monsters.

now don't get me wrong... $$$ doesn't mess pple up... people mess people up. but maybe pple will learn to look beyond $$$ in time to come and become better persons in the process.

we gotta look beyond the dollar sign and generally become more secure, more confident, more emotionally matured pple.

then maybe we won't annoy so many pple when we go overseas and get beat up.

chaar123 SG

When i become PM, i will then use USA to conquer Indonesia and make them pay. Just like Hitler kill jew becoz they never buy his postcard when he youing, i will also conquer Indonesia cos my brother got beat up in Batam. Just yall wait and see Smile . Would be easy to get USA against them wad, anti-muslim.