loosening of restrictions

s.s.c. SG

Channel U is screening a series about race horses. The first step towards glorifying the race tracks and saying that it is ok to bet on horse-racing? Eventually leading to loosening the moral standards and remaking Singapore?

Maybe one day we will have a series glorifying gays.

nismoS132 SG

there’s already a program on cable dedicated to the local horse racing scene.

the Bear SG

what the hell has horse-racing gotta do with gay people?

and what do you have against gay people???

anyway, FYI, horse-racing is a reputable sport... even Alex Funguson, manager of MUFC is a horse trainer...

and in some countries, see Australia, the whole country stops for the Melbourne Cup...

you ought to stop with your narrowminded moralising... what is right for you should not be crammed down the throats of others...

nismoS132 SG

horse racing is as much a sport as nicotive is not addictive.

the Bear SG

oh? and chess and bridge is?

Parka SG

what am I missing?

nismoS132 SG

so you're saying all those people gathering at the turf clubs every weekend are actually sports enthusiasts in disguise?

NeonTetra SG

chn 8 also got this Sun Moon Star….just now 1045pm…quite a sensual show

the Bear SG

those who watch are athletes?

even those sitting on their sofa when sports is televised?

or those who bet on s-league, EPL?

those playing football are the athletes.. those jockeys are more athletes than you will probably every know..

nismoS132 SG

atheletes for a sport catered for the sole purpose of gambling.

the Bear SG

read what happens in William Hill's betting site...

EVERYTHING is up for a bet...

do you know that bookies take bets on everything? in the past, they took bets on whether Tom will eventually eat Jerry, if Fermat's Last Theorem would be proven, would man walk on the moon...

if everything that you can place a bet on is stopped, we may as well just sit on our asses until we die...

oh, what is that race in Dubai all about? bets aren't allowed..

don't moralise about things... enjoy the spectacle... i love a good horse race Smile

and apart from the yearly office pool to go enter toto, i've never gambled in my life... never liked gambling...

but i'll be damned if the moralising Pharisees take away the right for people to gamble...

nismoS132 SG

a few isolated events here and there doesn't really take away the fact that its main purpose is gaming.

at least with other sports like soccer etc there's actually a significant number of people who watch, because they enjoy the sport, because they support the teams.

gambling is among the worse possible inventions created to torture people.

Atobe SG

Who owns the Turf Club ?

Who takes the biggest cut from all the tote collected ?

If you know who, then you will understand why it is being promoted through the media.

the Bear SG

no one forced anyone to put money on a horse, a bunch of numbers between 1 to 45 (is that right?), a number between 0 to 9999, the fate of a match...

it was done thru their own free will...

you want to take away our own free will? i'll stand on the other side of the line, staring you down...

already, this country took away my right to chew gum and a lot of other little rights ordinary humans have...

if you do not have the personal responsibility to shoulder your own consequences of your own actions, can you still be called SENTIENT?

s.s.c. SG

I'm not here to argue about personal rights, which I value.
I'm saying that the general view is that gambling is not something to be indulged in, and for years the govt had legalised gambling to control it (and to profit from it, but that is beside the point)
It had always been a quiet, discreet thing. Now that horse-racing is glorified? And other than as a sport, most people would see it as gambling.

Surely public opinion is a major concern with the media and the govt. Is this a deliberate step towards opening up?

the Bear SG

is it glorified? so, if gambling happens in football, the EPL must be taken off the air? the S-League next? it's a horse race!

this is ALL about rights...

just because you think it's glorified, it must be stopped?

i think you're glorifying fascism, so you must be taken away and shot? isn't that fascism in itself?

think man... think!!

nismoS132 SG

you are but 1 man. not a representative of everyone in this country. just because you think so and you do so, doesn't mean everyone else thinks like wise.

you consider horse racing a sport.
most every one else considers horse racing nothing but a mere tool of gambling.

i consider motor racing a sport.
most every one else considers it suicide.

nismoS132 SG

the difference between gambling in football and gambling in horse racing is the difference in audience participation, or did you skip my argument on that on purpose?

people gamble on football, but the fact is that football itself is a sport that people love simply because it is a sport. football has a legitimate fanbase.

the only fans that twinkle star will have is when someone assumed correctly it's position in that match, otherwise it is just as quickly forgotten as yesterday's lunch.

the Bear SG

what makes you so sure horse racing is devoid of fans?

CX SG

i guess a sporting activity has many levels of participation... at the top, u have the race organisers, the stable owners, the trainers, the jockey.

horse racing is a celebration of the ancient union between man and beast. the domestication of horses was an important event in human history... it also enables barbarian horsemen to conquer more settled civilizations...

ask any jockey or equestrian and they'll tell u how powerful and fun it is to ride on a horse...

of course the pple at the top work tirelessly to keep the sport and the spirit alive. it shouldn't surprise anyone that the stable owners, the trainers and the jockey make lots of money in the process...

and the other level of participation is the level of spectators, bookies and punters.

as mentioned by Bear earlier, pple will bet on ANYTHING if u give them half a chance... its the pple, not the sports.

and i think this has nothing to do with the recent loosening of restrictions... they're all superficial and inconsequential anyway... the gov't is still its former anal self when it comes to many things.