The full response that had to be aborted yesterday, due to
pressure of work.
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quote: Originally posted by Atobe:
My fellow Singaporean, CX,
It truly amazes me that my posts seems to constantly elicit from
anyone, a habit of reading more than what has been posted; as
reflected in the constant non-failure in such reactions from you,
gasband and tripwire as in my earlier response to all your
postings.
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Original Posted by CX
i told u... its not what u say, its how u say it... if u did not
intend to sound like a left-wing anti-gov't crackpot, then don't
use language and words that makes u out to be one.
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Left-wing ? Crackpot ?
This is unfortunate that perceptions of ones opinion should lead
to aggressive classification to intimidate someone with
labels.
Is this courtesy in free exchange of ideas ?
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quote:
Has any one of my posts specifically made any explicit or implied
request for an open mind from anyone to my posts ?
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originally posted by CX
we are all here to discuss views freely, aren't we? why come if u
know all the answers and everyone else is wrong in your eyes?
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It is unfortunate that you have decided for me that I know
everthing, (again - reading more into my text ?) for the simple
reason that our views on the same issue take on different
strengths.
How did you come to the conclusion that I have form an opinion that
everyone elses views are wrong ? (again reading more then
necessary ?)
Is this your way of pushing your PREFERRED VIEW to my posts, so as
to suit your own agenda and direction of argument, by not
addressing the issues but being personal ?
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quote:
Have I confronted or taken anyones position to task, or fault
anyone for their preferred posts directly - as what you have done
in your direct "confrontation" to my posts ?
Could my posting of my alternative views to someone elses posts be
considered a violation and a discourtesy shown to his position
taken ?
Have I criticize anyone's posting in the same manner as adopted in
your style displayed ?
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Originally posted by CX
i make no apologies if u are offended... as mentioned, u really
shouldn't bother coming if u don't want people to reply to your
points. and no, we might not agree, but i'll respect your right to
say it if you'll respect my rights to trash it
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It is interesting to view the many differing perspectives of others
in the manner of replies received.
While some take on issues head on in calm incisive manner, others
take on a wild reckless approach, and someothers delight in tearing
into the persona behind the post.
You certainly have the rights to your own views of my posts right
or wrong; as much as I am entitled to put up a strong and
aggressive defense of my position.
Does that give you any right to state your preference to label my
views as left wing and crackpot ?
This is typical PAP tactic when the truth cannot be tolerated and
take refuge with personal attacks.
Is this your form of respect towards the opinion of others, while
claiming your right to trash the same opinion which you do not
agree ?
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Now I am wondering where the bigoted bull is coming from, and who
is taking a hypocritical position in being the kettle calling the
pot black.
I believe that this condescending statement from you is a
reflection of your position of "hypocrisy and bigotry" more than
that from what position I have taken; and in posting your own
critique by assuming more then what I had written.
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Originally posted by CX
i told u... your choice of words are loaded. if u did not intend
for people to read more than u intend, use more neutral words and
be more concise.
isn't it strange that 3 different people had the same idea of what
your posts implied even though u protest that u did not explicitly
state them??
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So now besides trying to teach courtesy, you are now trying to
teach the forms of delivery too ?
I cannot stop you or anyone from reading more into my sentence or
word, in a manner which you prefer to justify your own argument and
reinforce your own point of views.
In my reading of your postings and replies to my post, at least, I
have not resort to labeling yours or anyones views as bigotry or
leftwing or crackpot for the strong stand that you or others
have made.
I have at least shown courtesy to that extent that you have not
shown, and the fact that you dare to preach about it.
You are flattering the 3 different persons (with yourself
included), who share a common trait of the same HABIT of reading
more into a printed word, then necessary.
3 out of the 61 replies, and from a total of 928 visitors at the
last count, who have visited this Post and none made any similar
controversial observations. ?
If you prefer to interpret the implication more then the direct
meaning of any statements - verbal or in print, it must be a very
burdensome way of living Life.
Do you go around interpreting the implied meaning of every sentence
uttered in daily conversation, every statements written, or every
word spelt ?
It seems that crackpots do exist in many forms, not simply leftwing
or rightwing political types.
BTW, how did you read my text to conclude that I know everything ?
Was my choice of words loaded again, or did you prefer to read in a
manner that reveals your habit of searching for the load ?
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The present economic malaise in Singapore has as much to do with
the Political Situation of a Dominant Single Party Politics, that
has the arrogance of believing in its omnipotent righteousness and
correctness in everything it does, and is intolerant to any
alternative advise or opposing views.
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Originally posted by CX
hmmm... not quite... partially, but the cracks never surfaced until
it was forced to the surface by the world recession and the war on
terrorism which worsened economic prospects...
it remains to be seen if these cracks are fatal... i hesitate to
speculate but it is overly narrow to blame everyone's economic
plight on the glcs and the gov't. nothing happens as a result of
ONE single reason.
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You are correct that nothing happens as a result of ONE single
reason.
But many faults can be caused from ONE single source, that when put
all together can have a multiplier effect that reinforce the
problems that have been ACCUMULATING over a LONG PERIOD.
To debate on this issue, another topic will have to be raised,
which will be as controversial.
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Its sheer arrogance is reflected in its dictate that Citizens, who
must make political statements, have to join a Political Party
before they can make any statements.
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Originally posted by CX
i don't agree with that as well. but opposition politicians must
have a program. its pointless to have people who just talk and
criticise by have no specific programs.
hitler had a program, stalin had a program, even mussolini had a
program.
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You seemed to have missed the point, in your effort to read more
into the statement made that its sheer arrogance is reflected in
its dictate that Citizens, who must make political statements, have
to join a Political Party
.
Will you associate Singapore Citizens such as Catherine Lim with
Hitler, Stalin or Mussolini, and does she need a program before she
can express her PRIVATE statements for the interest and well being
of Singapore ?
Try reading the CLEAR and SIMPLE question asked.
How could you have missed this unfettered and non-loaded statement,
and responded with your "Facist idols(?)" ?
POLITICS is about policies that rule our life in all spheres of
human activities.
As private individuals, do we need a program, or any declared
agenda, to speak out on the various POLICIES that affect us ?
The question remains - do we need to JOIN a political party before
we can speak out on any POLICIES that affect us ?
Is the making of POLICIES the exclusive domain of POLITICIANS
only?
Does the common CITIZEN have no rights to any formal or informal
participation in the formulation of policies that affect our own
lives ?
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This in breeding of exclusive talent, that believes that it alone
has the monopoly and exclusive right to political governance, at
the expense and exclusion of participation by all other Citizens
from the other strata of Singapore Society, can only spell more
trouble for Singapore.
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Originally posted by CX:
nobody really believes in eugenics anymore in this time and age...
and no, i don't think grads are thrilled at being made to join SDU
upon graduation. (most i know avoid their functions like a
plague...)
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Unfortunately the Government does not share your opinion, and
believe that talent to Govern and determine the Political Future of
Singapore rest in their exclusive monopoly of talent.
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If my posts have inflamed your emotions, at least it met my
objective of agitating you from slumber, and hopefully caused you
to view matters outside the influence of established propaganda and
clichés.
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Originally posted by CX
*yawn* don't flatter yourself... your two pence coffee shop
anti-gov't talk is hardly ground breaking nor new... hardly
inflamed... just amused at your narrow mindedness...
wow! progress... u have moved up from bigot to narrow-minded.
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It is amazing for one to lecture to others about Courtesy to be
shown towards posting by others leaves himself out of this
requirement.
It is interesting that my mundane coffee shop anti-government
talk that is worth only two pence, did not inflame you but
caused you to post your opinions of bigotry and narrow minded
observation to my post.
Thanks but in this hard times, anything is welcome.
