Malaysia's Big Weapons Armament Purchase

last SG · 2002-08-16T22:42:02+00:00

i believe this shld be [email protected] militry nuts don’t you think so?

MyAhGongLove2SeeBird SG

Malaysia just upgraded it’s army by buying all those submarines and blah blah blah. Do you think she did that to erm, counter Singapore’s military might? Will it have any impact on Singapore?

FulcrumN SG

Malaysia didnt buy the subs for its army, msia bought the subs for its navy......or you could say armed forces....
BTW,Did you know that the scorpenes malaysia bought are way better and advanced than singapores swedish subs.....

p/s: i know i have offended a lot of people here.I dont give a damn.what can you do about that??bann me??ill just register again....

EXCO SG

Of course the Scorpenes are better... the Sjoormens are decades old, but the Scorpene in untested, well done Malaysia, be a lab rat again, if it screws up, good luck.

The Sjoormens we have are "for training and evaluation purposes only" (quoted from official publications), meaning we will get more advanced subs in the future.

You think the Singapore Government will let Malaysia have a military edge over them? i dun think so.

baruku SG

ban you? no way man. forums need idiots and clowns like you to live things up occasionally.
pls continue your acts of stupidity. it's pretty entertaining at times. Smile

Joe Black SG

Nah, why would we be offended? The truth is what you have said is absolutely spot on, but the equation does not end there.

Yes, RMN has ordered 2 of the most advanced conventional subs in the world, but RSN has more subs and they are not necessary that crapy too after the tropicalisation plus combat system updates.

You can almost think of the capabilities in sub warfare as on par between RSN and RMN. Two of the Challenger subs will equate to 1 Scopene sub.

However, by the time the Scopene subs are delievered, I'm confident that RSN will have a new sub design on the pipeline if not already building some.

If you are look at the anti-sub capabilities, RSN is slowly building this as well with the 12 current anti-sub ships, plus 6 more to come when the La Fayettes are delievered. Don't forget the La Fayette will also deploy anti-subs helos with dipping sonars/sona buoys.

tripwire SG

if i remember correctly.. the RSN fokker 50 MPA enforcer also carry torpedos... plus harpoons... is it possible that the enforcer could also be modified for anti-sub like the P-3 orion?

anyway... i sincerely doubt malaysia buy 2 sub (only 2... my god) to challenge singapore... cos.. 2 subs are no good against the singapore army which will be marching up the NS highway of malaysia...

Secondly.. the RMN sub base is in sabah.... kind of a far to build base for subs aimed at singapore... dont you agreed?

but then... if the subs are aimed at defending malaysia's sprately claims... i must agreed it is an economical choice in view of the power of the PLAN... but is it a futile effort in view of the strength of the PLAN?

as we all know.. subs are slow (except for SSNs) against a sudden chinese dash for the sprately islands... i seriously doubt those 2 subs is gonna make the PLAN with its entire fleets and over 60 subs... cringe in fear....most likely... the chinese would laugh their tooth off.

FulcrumN SG

singapore is getting 6 la fayatte frigates..but malaysia will eventually get 27 Meko A-100s....(they would probably be armed with a s-70 or superlynx 300 helicopter each )
and i predict that b4 2010, malaysia would recieve/order at least 5 SSKs...and there was even unconfirmed news about 2 years ago that msia was offered a 10000 ton carrier like thailand....

EXCO SG

It won't be smart to get an aircraft carrier here...
1) the straits are too narrow for effective deployment.
2) the regional arms balance would be dramatically upset.
3) you may have a carrier, but do you have the planes to fight from it?
4) if Malaysia pays for its planes by palm oil, i dun see how they can support an aircraft carrier, much less a battle group.
5) Malaysia is generally regarded as a muslim country. If they do get a carrier, they would be under fire from the US.

I would admit that the Malaysian armed forces are in need of a restructuring, but from what i see, they may not have the budget to sustain such a high defence expenditure. The Scorpenes would already have taken up a huge part of the budget.

wombat SG

Well....mabbe they are planning to run the aircraft carrier using palm oil. Laughing

tripwire SG

"singapore is getting 6 la fayatte frigates..but malaysia will eventually get 27 Meko A-100s....(they would probably be armed with a s-70 or superlynx 300 helicopter each )
and i predict that b4 2010, malaysia would recieve/order at least 5 SSKs...and there was even unconfirmed news about 2 years ago that msia was offered a 10000 ton carrier like thailand....
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eh..... not say so soon... malaysia always talk in very long time frame one...

Take the submarine for example... when i first heard malaysia want to buy a submarine was like 15years ago!!....

Just think... it takes them 15years to get a sub when they first mentioned it...

how long will it be before they really get the 27 OPV?? 50 years??
anyway... your predictions sucks...

for singapore... i ask a RSN senior officer about the malaysian intention to purchase a sub... 15 years ago... when i was in school!!.

His answer... ??

' dont get too excited by it.... we will wait and see when and if they do get their subs..'

so... lets just wait and see when and if malaysia do get their 27 OPVs.... but dont hold your breath... it could take a long long long long time.........

tripwire SG

i heard that they even intend to armed the aircraft carrier with guns that fire Made in malaysia rubber bullet!! Laughing Mr. Green

Orcishwarrior SG

creep!! even they did acquire 27 meko 100 well i suppose RSAF can take them as a shooting targets.RSAF is far superior 2 anyone
in ASEAN region.Compare MY vs SIN mmm........more 2 sparrow VS Eagle.sin fighters can launch aim-65 and dropping bombs
RSN vessals and RSAF fokkers both are capable of harpoon strike missiles.Ohya.........i remember we got E2C.....upgraded...
.Hey if rsn / rsaf team up i think they are quite invincible in sea region
dun u think so Laughing if it really happens "touch wood"
Guess the MY will rise that WHITE flg and allow us to take control....... Rolling Eyes

NathanG5 SG

tsk tsk..getting so many stuff?? y Msia wan to go to war??
300 chopper?? siao bor...10 dunno can get anot???
wahahaha... Laughing
a carrier? u noe wat a carrier is for anot??..u wan to go long distance battle wif who??
wahahahaha Rolling Eyes

Orcishwarrior SG

are u saying directly "bo lui" it is a bit bonker hey the malaysia govt is always bullshiting.This acquisition is in terms of multi-billion dollars,i predict the RMAF is going 2 have a hard time maintenancing them.Maybe in 15 years time or less it may end up like them russian machines that either end up in the scrap yard..
or in the storage.
They just always have this mind of challenging with us even if they have 2 give money in order to compete....i really call them "siao"
MY have a population of 20 miilion and sin only have a population of roughly 4 million the money we receive annually exceed that amount needed for us.Well sorrie to say that malaysia annual finanicial gain is quite enough for malaysia and yet they are damn trying to piss us off.thinking they will get annoyed........we can just smirk at them or laugh

tripwire SG

THink maharaja might wanna try takeover southern china!!?? Mr. Green

Or maybe go vietnam and wack some buttock?? Laughing

Or maybe go USA and take over california!!!

But i did heard their bomoh ministers mentioning about a carrier... with no planes... you know? those... 'carriers' that 'carry' something , anything EXCEPT fighter planes and choppers.... Mr. Green

dont pray pray har.... even a sampan can be a "Carrier" per se leh... Twisted Evil Idea

NathanG5 SG

wahahahahaha Laughing

Innocent_Malaysian SG

First,

I am FulcrumN,
I changed my nick bcoz i was banned.
2.Malaysia isnt getting 300 helicopters.i said they might arm the meko100 with the superlynx300(which is a helo)
The NGPV project is a long term project.10-15 years ....so they might get all 27 b4 2013......
the RSN isnt the best navy in the region.Besides the subs and the frigates they are getting......their navy mostly consists of corvettes...
About the carrier,
I said it was an unconfirmed report....Malaysia Shipyard Engineering had offered to build a 10000 tonne caiier for the MAF
capable of carrying eight helicopters, six jet fighters, one battalion, tanks and two landing craft.
they could use their hornets/superhornets...for the carrier.

10000 tonne carrier is very small.......thailands one is about 11000 tonnes
and why does my prediction suck??
if anyone here calls me a pig,ill call them a hog

p/s:FulcrumN is back 4 good

Joe Black SG

Originally posted by Innocent_Malaysian:
I said it was an unconfirmed report....Malaysia Shipyard Engineering had offered to build a 10000 tonne caiier for the MAF
capable of carrying eight helicopters, six jet fighters, one battalion, tanks and two landing craft.
they could use their hornets/superhornets...for the carrier.

Don't think this is possible. Not many carriers in the world can carry conventional jets. The Russians after many years of building carriers still found it difficult to build conventional jet carriers. Malaysia with previously no experience in building any forms of carriers (helos or VTOL jump jets) build one that can carry the Hornets? Very impossible.

Sorry, you are incorrect.

Bensarus SG

Even so if your really had all this things...i don't think MY will even be able to attack us with it. Before they were to be deployed all will be bomb or destroyed...rumored that we have no. xx of F-XX capable of striking and bombing targets. Mr. Green

Innocent_Malaysian SG

ok ok
malaysia could,(if they had the money)build a light carrier with the help of a foreign ship builder...(maybe DCN,the company that sold the scorpenes to msia and la fayatte to sgpre)
the carrier could use harriers like thailands...
or build a catapult to enable the use of the F/A-18
or just use helos...