Singapore At War

last SG · 2000-04-06T04:56:00+00:00

I am newbie, but if I am a president of one country, let's say : Indonesia. And I want to invade SG (let's hope not)... you know ... what is the weakness of...

foxtrout8 SG

Wat can i say. The reply by INDIAN is extremely bias , one sided and inmature with personnal remarks rather than factual statements.

INDIAN if im not wrong ur from malaysia , and this is a Singaporean forums , ur name first of all is senstive in a multi-racial forum of Singapore. Secondly pls read up some more ( i will prefer u to read inbetween Singapore's strategy. The govt isnt as stupid as wat u think. ), then post . Pls dun jus post for the sake of going against some statements in this forum .

foxtrout8 SG

1. First of all, you right about the logistic base for those American fleet. Remember, you just mentioned 'logistic base'. Do you expect those people to start 'scrambling' their fleets to save your ass?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------- They will , especially when one of ur cute rocket land on their head. They will when their multi-billion dollar facility in J. island is being endangered ( same on the deployment in gulf war ). They will as the ' the CNB' ends with a defence pact to stablise the region , or another words a bloody deterrence for a start.

At the end of the day, you got save your own ass as this americans are not gonna safe u from terror attack.

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U mean malaysia's armed force is terrorist ar......sigh PITY sia.

You know why you are supported by them; it is u whose are the nations that can be 'massivelly' used and exploited by them
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eh hello , Malaysia also offer the USN to have their carrier in ur port klang , but the US ( expected lah ) give a big no-thanks .....y because u are not even worth exploiting. If u like the word exploit , then i will say Singapore exploit the US force in Singapore to give the enemy a big deter , while malaysia cry wee wee.

What are you, a political analyst??
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R u one?

Wait till the filipinos to reopen back the old american base for the americans to land their troops.
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That is our business and capability to attract them .

Our nation believes that being a powerful nation cause of military is not the one they intended to acheive.
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Economy right. paisei leh....SIngapore achieved economy boom liao , we now trying to be richer nia , thus military have her room to grow.. We believe that foreign investment cannot come without stability . Stability comes in terms of national education and national defense.
If our PM will have the idea as urs , i will not vote him.

As i said just now, we develop military for self-defence. I admit that you have the advantage over us, but what do you get in return. besides of being a very safe nation, there are nothing else that are acheiveable. Unless your nation started to be like the second Israel of S.E.A. and invade Johor.

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Y we invade johore for nothing , we will do that , when u lay fingers on us. Usually, we will not like to go johore to clean up the mess ur government had laid , jus to make the pple there sing MAJULAH SINGAPURA.

Maybe your jealous with us and starting to deny all that real facts

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Jealous of wat........... being richer we jealous on u ....yah yah , i never experience the rustic environment of kampong , and semi-urban areas.....so sad , thats jealous...

And the main reason I'm here is because of not to have support from my opinion
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relax leh , we dun expect much support from ur site too.

Let me remind you I will stick on this forum. Try to knock me off if you can. I'm waiting for it
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Brudder , u explian this to us for wat , thats the main objective of a forum.......if no one come here and stick to it.....forum can close liao.

CX SG

Originally posted by INDIAN:

What are you, a political analyst?? By the way, i almost forgot. Wait till the filipinos to reopen back the old american base for the americans to land their troops. Being opposed by their citizens will not stop them to come up with that plan, as for the situation which can really force them to initiate that plan. What will happen next? your 'logistic base' will remain as a 'ghost hub' with americans whose certainly had then not intereted to berth their ships there. Be careful with it. It will the best example for being the luxuries waste for the taxpayer's money. PITY!

PLEASE! u think the Pinos will invite them back and re-open bases for USA? obviously have not been following the news. they're already up in arms over US special forces participating in operations against Abu Sayaf in Southern Philipines.

Sg has always believed the US to be a stabilizing force in this region. we like their presence here. if u or malaysia don't like it, u could try asking your PM to start a war with them and chase them away lor Mr. Green

if u don't care about it, SO BE IT we don't care if u're pissed ANYWAY!

Unless your nation started to be like the second Israel of S.E.A. and invade Johor. Do you think you can achieve it?

yes we can. we will crush u, and burn you and make u sorry for messing with us. as you mentioned in a previous post:

Unless u wanted to poke us near JB for our water, than I'll call it as an act of self defence from unscruplus nation like Kiasuland.

i think u got the situation backwards...

Mutual government guarantees of water agreements

it would seem that the treaty can only be broken from YOUR side. all that rhetoric about cutting off the water, all that nonsense about changing the laws and all that crap about revoking the Separation Agreement.

this is the most likely cause for war and the ball's in Malaysia's court. Sg only tells it what its been saying all this time: Just Try... u will burn.

sgboy2004 SG

They terrorist mah...terrorist makes their own law 1.

MinisterOfDefence SG

Evil or Very Mad hey INDIAN, whats ur objective of all those verbal abuse. We are discussing here,not launching personal wars. I understand malaysian parliamentary discussion often land up heated discussions. Dey mama, u mus understand that both singapore are closely related. Either 1 of us attack the other side, it sure give trouble to both side.
You must realise that johor is abt 2km away from singapore. That is a beautiful range for our artilleries and fighters.
Do take note that the water station is the property os Singapore Government. Jus like KTM belong to malaysia but situated at tanjong pagar train station.
Singapore will nv want to go to war,not even a small conflict but we will be more than ready to inflict devastating damage to any potential aggressor.
Twisted Evil I suggest u stop ur flaming remarks. Its not good for healthy discussion

sgboy2004 SG

Good morning, sir ( the Minister of Defence)
Wink

foxtrout8 SG

INDIAN...y haven reply??? Crying or Very sad

I tot u wanna stick to this forum...... Laughing

sgboy2004 SG

Maybe it is Christmas...so go back India for celebration/

sLaYeRgEr SG

Laughing

foxtrout8 SG

lolx Laughing

btw , merry christmas with warm greetings to u and all sgforums nuts!~ yeah! Mr. Green Razz

Atobe SG

It is a sad pity that this topic hints at Singapore and Malaysia going to war, and it does not help a single bit with the ageing Malaysian PM making his senility obvious when he was reported to have said that Singapores continued construction at Preda Branca (Pulua Batu Puteh) will require Malaysia having to protest strongly and short of going to war in its effort to reclaim possession of this island rock.

There are at least Thirty Percent of Singaporean families with relatives in Malaysia, and there must be at least Ten Percent of Singaporeans who have spouses from Malaysia and vice versa.

It was heart warming when I had the opportunity to speak to two children from such a Malaysian-Singaporean marriage, when I asked them if they would consider themselves Malaysian or Singaporean?

From a five-year-old child whose father is Malaysian-Malay and the mother is Singaporean-Malay, the reply was that she is a Malay person neither Malaysian nor a Singaporean.

From a four-year-old child whose father is Singaporean-Chinese and the mother is Malaysian-Chinese, the reply was that she is a Chinese neither a Malaysian nor a Singaporean.

Two children queried at two separate occasions, and both speak innocently from the heart without any sense of hippocratic diplomacy but with pure innocent honesty.

We are all from the Human Race, in this age of interdependence it is madness to speak of wars when there are other more sane way to resolve issues.

It will be different when someone shoves and pushes instead of standing to reasoning and logic; but until then, why involve us with the lowdown behaviors of the few low brain warmongers.

Light travel faster than Sound, so people appear bright until you hear them speak.

foxtrout8 SG

Sigh....
This thread is jus a discussion on a frictional war with malaysia , there is not part of it which indicate a war is coming , however it came to an uniform agree from Singaporeans that we have the ability to shake off Malaysia in crisis.

Toking abt the puny island dispute . Sigh ( louder ) . The disagreement between SIngapore and Malaysia is already sibei chiam liao somemore now they ass-itchy come up with the protest letter on the island. Sometimes i really dunno wat the malaysian PM is thinking.

My opinion on the island is that . Both countries are toking abt face more than sovereignity here. That island , i cant really cannot think anymore reasons y is the lsland a important pie for Singapore. ( pls enlighten mi if u have any idea )

Firstly there is no natural resources on the island.
Secondly there is no stratigical advantage on the island. The route to south china sea is very big, without the island , SIngapore still can move into the SCS without a problem. I had tot that the SAF is planning to build a survellience site there , however with the small island size and with the availablity of AWACs and LALEE , the island is not needed.
Thirdly there is no economic/social advantage on the island.

If singapore is to take arms for the island , i will say it is not worth. If malaysia will to wack us , i will take up arms without hesitation. However to fight for that island , that we really dun need ........

Thats my 10 cents opinion........

tripwire SG

Dont be an idiot... that island determines singapore's territorial water... if the island size is not worth fighting for.. are the sea around it which is bigger then singapore not worth fighting for either???

your opinion is not even worth 10 cents... more like bullshit.

foxtrout8 SG

haha...cool down man relax . No need to be rude. U think ur opinion very good and my opinion suxs say so lah.....wa lau call mi idiot somemore.

U wanna lose a hundred man ( maybe more ) jus for an island that is not for any uses. U wanna lose a hundred man ,kana comdemm by international commitee plus enbargo blah blah, after the UN say that the island is belonging to Malaysia .

I mean dun fight in terms of arms , but we will fight in terms of legal procedure to win the island back.

For the island , a fight in terms of arms is very slim , unless malaysia do something stupid lah . But i will disagree fighting for the situation now or even the island is deem belong to malaysia by UN.

Btw , like it anot . My ten cent opinion again , okok let mi rephrase. My humber opinion again. If u are not happi with any of my opinion enlighten mi , dun be rude , as no one will appreciate.

foxtrout8 SG

If the island determine Singapore water UN will take into consideration , which may deem the island as Singapore’s sovernrity. If so , a war isnt needed.

NDU SG

bro, I was once activated becoz of this little island!!! No joke!! We was instructed to have live round on our riffle and the whole log of us was onboard the EP that night comamdo was there also. It was somewhere. 7-8 yrs ago and b4 we go msg was flicking clear to usNO ONE FROM MALAYSIA IS ALLOW TO STEP ON THAT ISLAND!! NOR- EVEN THEIR FISHBOAT IS ALLOWED TO GO NEAR IT!! you know!! when I reach the naval base. Not one ships is ready I think afew war ship was on standby also!! And as a sgt. I got info straight from our ops room its like we really gonna FIGHT HARD FOR THAT ISLAND.. AND OUR GOVERNMENT NOT PLAY PLAY ONE!!! Shocked Shocked Shocked

sgboy2004 SG

So serious wor

foxtrout8 SG

Im realli impress that the Singaporean Govern is so hard onto the ownership of this island.

But wat i mean is that if UN deem the island malaysia's , wat can Singapore do then , i will disagree to take up arms . Even if malaysia move in now , i will rather prefer Singapore to use the international commette to give malaysia the pressure to leave the island and at the same time , complain the shit out to UN , making us the good guy rather then the bad guy who intrude first.

Alright. The Singapore government have their own plans, which i hope is the best , to solve this crisis.

tripwire SG

UNTIL the UN ICJ declare otherwise... ALL singaporeans have an obligation to protect the territorial integrity and sovereignity of singapore... EVEN an ISLAND will be protected at all cost...

IF malaysia sends their troops to occupy the island by force... they better get ready to swallow bombs in KL....

wat we are defending is more then just merely an ISLAND... we are defending our RIGHT, INDEPENDENCE and SOVERIEGN... if you dont understand ... its fine with me as long as you are not singaporean... IF you are... fear not... i will tie you to the first LGB bomb we gonna drop on malaysia... Later... if you so pleases... you may bring your case to the UN... Laughing

Atobe SG

This little rock island was controlled and administered by Singapore for over 130 years, and Malaysia has always accepted this arrangement up until 1979 when someone from the Malaysian side woke up from their sleep and decided to add this unfounded claim to their list of claims against Singapore in the tit-for-tat exchange of issues to be resolved.

In a similar dispute between Indonesia and Malaysia over their cross claims for the rights of ownership over two islands in East Malaysia - Pulau Sipadan and Pulau Ligitan the International Court of Justice had ruled in favor of the Malaysian Claim.

The decision was ruled over the fact that Malaysia had the effective administrative control of these islands for the last 100 over years, and was not based on the Continental Shelf geographical demarcation, nor was the decision based on historical treatises dating from the Colonial Days with the native Sultanates of that area, nor the treatise between the Dutch and English Colonial Rulers to mark their lines of controls in South-east Asia.

Based on this background, it is little wonder that Singapore has stood firm in insisting that Malaysia bring this matter to the International Court of Justice.

It is also not too difficult to understand the reluctance of the Malaysian Government to quickly put their signature to an Agreement to bring this matter to the International Court of Justice when they had agreed with the Singapore Government to do so since 1998.

It is also not too surprising that the Malaysian PM in his brilliance prefer to resort to rhetoric and make statements to the media to whip up the emotions of Malaysians over this matter, and to distort reality in their own favor.

This matter is not just about a little rock island that is more then 4 hours travel by boat from the Singapore shore line, as its significance is the strategic location of the island that allow us a toe hold access to the South China Sea; and from which we can monitor traffic that traverse this strategic sea way (see the photo in www.thestar.com.my December 25 edition in which you can see the new constructions of microwave relay stations, and some sigcom antennas).

The mistake in selling away the Christmas Island (located in the Indian Ocean just off the west coast of Indonesian Sumatra) back in the early 1950s will not be repeated.

The Christmas Island was similarly administered by Singapore then, and was sold by the Lim Yew Hock Government to the Australian for a sum of S$2.00(??? I stand to be corrected); and the Australian Government then leased the island to a mining company that mined the phosphate rich island for over 30 years and generating revenue of over a billion times the amount that Singapore was paid.

When push comes to shove, we should be prepared to shove when the other side do not wish to be reasonable and logical but decide to play tough.

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