Question for Malaysians

last SG · 2002-11-12T10:54:34+00:00

I LOVE MY COUNTRY SINGAPORE And I`M ALREADY TRAINED TO KILL MALAYSIAN HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE sHIT i gonna Get FLAMED

Typhoon SG

From the NS for women forum:

From AWARE's website:

5.National Service

Women are not required to serve National Service, which is compulsory for men. Because they have given 2-3 years of their lives to the nation, men enjoy salary and tax benefits. Many also develop a network of friends that can be advantageous in their work life.

Governments Rationale
Asian parents do not want their daughters to go through national service.

AWAREs Comment
The principle of equal treatment should apply in all areas. If young men are asked to give 2-3 years of their life to the nation, so should women. The concept of National Service should be broadened. In keeping with the principle of Total Defence, women drafted for NS and men unsuitable for military service can serve the nation in many other ways.

Proposal
Women and men should be called up equally for compulsory national service. They should have the choice of military or non-military service and there should be no hierarchical distinctions for either arm of NS. Measures should also be taken to eliminate sexual stereotyping and any possibility of sexual harassment while young Singaporeans serve their National Service.

Don't listen to that shit... I remember in a Straits Times editorial sometime last year about Women in NS in which the head of AWARE commented that unless equal oppurtunities were provided to women, they should not be burdened with NS" or something in that vein.

A bit self-contradictory, don't you agree? Mr. Green

want to know SG

China has already admitted to being involve in the Korean war. The reason why the army is called PVA not PLA.

Why did PRC send troops under the name of volunteer army?

Although the western forces in Korea were in fact commanded by US generals and ultimately the US president in a crusade to "rollback communism", they were technically a UN "police" force. To avoid officially declaring war on US, Britain, France and other UN members, China sent forces in the name of People's Volunteer Army (PVA) instead of PLA (People's Liberation Army).

Link: http://centurychina.com/history/faq1.shtml#1

What do you think?

Typhoon SG

Oh yah, Sudaimiki...

About your country's NS. While I agree that it is intended for nation building purposes, it still poses a danger to Sg, reason being that My is providing training for your people (even women) and indoctrinating them to give their lives for Malaysia. Thus, although My is not exactly training them to be line troops, what they are doing is to create large numbers of trained, motivated guerilla fighters. Since our country relies on conscripts and reservists, a long guerilla war with My will eventually lead to heavy casualties for Sg. So I believe you can understand our concerns.

On the other hand, there may be some problems for you, too. There will be the traditional resistance to soldiering, especiallyfrom the chinese. Also, have you ever considered the possibility of NS benefiting islamic extremists by providing trained, impressionable recruits? Neutral

CX SG

Rolling Eyes potayto, potahto... which part of my post did u NOT understand Exclamation

u are simply taking what i said out of context here Evil or Very Mad

To avoid officially declaring war ...... China sent forces in the name of People's Volunteer Army (PVA) instead of PLA (People's Liberation Army).

so DID the Chinese State declare war against the UN police force or NOT? well, NO! the PRC was NOT officially at war and the "volunteers" in effect, had nothing to do with the state. OF COURSE WE KNOW THAT'S BULL-CRAP!

we also know that Mao was involved up to his elbows and zhou enlai didn't like the idea at all... but lan lan... and kim actually didn't want them at first... he preferred direct aid from Moscow, Stalin refused to give him a carte blanche then he got desperate Mr. Green

and if u ask me, i think they're fully justified. they told macarthur, they warned him through india's representative to the UN (cos china had no representation... the seat was still held by taiwan then.) they were quite overt in their intentions, but macarthur didn't listen.

he was too much of a megalomaniac and it serves him right that he got fired. u know he even wanted to nuke china Twisted Evil

don't just poke holes. its not that people dunno. its cos we don't want to elaborate and write essays in a forum Rolling Eyes

want to know SG

You will be surprise what China can do. China people are damn patriotic and are wiling to die for their country. China has an almost unlimited supply of manpower. Their army are the largest and most powerful in the world. Second to none. Technology can only go so far. Unless of course if nuclear bomb are use.

want to know SG

I think Singapore has the cash to spare but don't have the men to spare.

bigdeal SG

YOU ALL REALLY KIAM GAN HAR?!

Laughing

CX SG

i REFUSE to comment to idiots who quote me out of context.

u wanna post, post constructively. u wanna quote, QUOTE CORRECTLY! Evil or Very Mad

what's your FCUKIN' point here

Arcane77 SG

The reason why most of the CIVILIZED (I cannot stress the word enough!) world dislike and distrust Malaysia and most other Muslim nations is because of their extremism of their religion.
In regards to Malaysia, it is run and led by corrupt politicians who are Muslim and they are all as crooked as the letter "Z". Noticed how megawati got to power? she is just a puppet, just for show. to show the world that in a muslim country there is a woman in power- give me a break! why then are women treated like crap, looked down apon, shrowded and covered up and have to take commands from men? these women will stand up and defend this, justifying this one sided ,male domination, but sadly they don't know any better.
this is one issue the world has with muslim nations. people, open your eyes, look and understand. you are on the internet, the "super highway of information" find out what is really happenning out there dont be so blind and just go with the info in the local paper, it's not enough!
Secondly, there is a serious flaw in the islamic religion, which religion would allow people to kill other innocent victims for their religion??? its insane! you don't see the bhuddists, chistians, taoists strapping bombs to themselves because their god says to do so?? I grew up in singapore and love how all races and cultures live together without indifference. it only takes one individual who is brainwashed into becomming extreme and taking the words of a holy book and misconstrew it.

thats the problem! the so called Taliban weren't even educated enough to understand their own holy book to see that the message of a holy war was completely taken into the wrong and literal context making it something it shouldnt have become!
education!!! not religious education is needed!! the muslim religion is really a dictatorship over peoples freedom to be civilized human beings.!!!!

CenturionMBT SG

Originally posted by Arcane77:
The reason why most of the [b]CIVILIZED (I cannot stress the word enough!) world dislike and distrust Malaysia and most other Muslim nations is because of their extremism of their religion.
In regards to Malaysia, it is run and led by corrupt politicians who are Muslim and they are all as crooked as the letter "Z". Noticed how megawati got to power? she is just a puppet, just for show. to show the world that in a muslim country there is a woman in power- give me a break! why then are women treated like crap, looked down apon, shrowded and covered up and have to take commands from men? these women will stand up and defend this, justifying this one sided ,male domination, but sadly they don't know any better.
this is one issue the world has with muslim nations. people, open your eyes, look and understand. you are on the internet, the "super highway of information" find out what is really happenning out there dont be so blind and just go with the info in the local paper, it's not enough!
Secondly, there is a serious flaw in the islamic religion, which religion would allow people to kill other innocent victims for their religion??? its insane! you don't see the bhuddists, chistians, taoists strapping bombs to themselves because their god says to do so?? I grew up in singapore and love how all races and cultures live together without indifference. it only takes one individual who is brainwashed into becomming extreme and taking the words of a holy book and misconstrew it.

thats the problem! the so called Taliban weren't even educated enough to understand their own holy book to see that the message of a holy war was completely taken into the wrong and literal context making it something it shouldnt have become!
education!!! not religious education is needed!! the muslim religion is really a dictatorship over peoples freedom to be civilized human beings.!!!!
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Err. . . .I have to disaggree with you here.Islam is generally a peaceful religion.It is those extremist who have been painting it in blood.Jihad, according to the Koran , is only used when your country is under attack.All human beings are to be respected regardless of their race or religion.Under no situation, are muslims allowed to kill their fellow human beings for no rhyme or reason.

CX SG

Originally posted by Arcane77:
thats the problem! the so called Taliban weren't even educated enough to understand their own holy book to see that the message of a holy war was completely taken into the wrong and literal context making it something it shouldnt have become!
education!!! not religious education is needed!! the muslim religion is really a dictatorship over peoples freedom to be civilized human beings.!!!!
[/b]

thats not true... the talibans were former mujaheedins fighting against the USSR... as a result, they were funded, equiped and trained by many western countries. many of them are really quite well educated... thanks to western and mid-eastern scholarships.

the traditional place of education for Muslim higher learning is Egypt. don't be surprised that many of them have degrees from there.

its not possible at this point to trace who went where and did what degree in which university, but its not an unknown fact that Ahmad Shah Masoud, the northern alliance leader that got blown to pieces by suicide bombers posing as reporters, had a degree from a French university and could speak several western languages fluently.

yes, he was northern alliance, not taliban. but if u ask me, its just the label. when they were fighting the USSR, they all did the same thing and they all rallied around the banner of Islam and national liberation. back then, u couldn't tell them apart anyway.

u can't be pig ignorant and still be able to wield effectively the powers which oppressive institutions give u. Mr. Green narrow-minded, maybe... ignorant? no.

thats the whole danger of this thing: most of them are not uneducated, indoctrinated zealots. they are quite well educated, capable of logic and reason but their leanings have shifted their sense of logic and reason to standards which we find... inexplicable... but its perfectly reasonable to them.

Viper52 SG

Fact: The Taliban never fought the Soviets, in any shape or form. The Taliban movement rose up from the madrasahs in Pakistan in the early 1990s from Afghan refugee students of these madrasahs as a form of an "anti-establishment" movement, gaining its power and support through a snowball effect from Afghans disenchanted by the inter-fighting between the warlords by painting itself as a national unity movement and more often than not, resorting to the age old Afghan tradition of buyouts of its rivals. This financial backing, and the location of its roots, led to suspcion that its main backer(since proven) was Pakistan's ISI.

Fact: The word Taliban is derived from the word Talib, which loosely translated, means 'student' or 'learner'

Fact: Mullah Omar, the Taliban's leader, has NEVER travelled beyond Pakistan.

Fact: Omar does not like to be known as Mullah('Teacher' or 'giver of knowledge'), instead preferring to be known also as a 'Talib'.

"u can't be pig ignorant and still be able to wield effectively the powers which oppressive institutions give u. narrow-minded, maybe... ignorant? no. "

Why not? When those you're ruling over are more pig-ignorant and uneducated than you, and when they're so tired of the status quo they'll accept anything else, and when you're backed financially and militarily by outside forces, factors which were rife in Afghanistan in the early 1990s when the Taliban swept to power, it is certainly possible.

Viper52 SG

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Sudaimiki SG

Any war with My will ultimately lead to heavy casualties not only on Sg side, but on My side as well. If possible, we would like to avoid a war at all cost as well. Battling JI would be a more viable task at hand. About the point of indocutrination, I believe that Sg should be doing the same thing as well...think of it more as a reminder that we should do more for our country and have a nation before self thinking.

I believe that Sg faced similar resistance towards soldiering during 1967 but gradually, people come to realise it as a part of life. I believe it would be the same for My. The point on islamic extremists is not that viable...if so Singapore with their more rigourous trainning of troops would provide a even more fertile area for such impressionable minds. The onus to educate these minds lies with the proper religious authorities, that is to impart to them proper islamic values. Otherwise, if one wants to follow the extremist code, he could easily get recruited by JI and they would give him or her trainning that is far more suited to their purpose.

This is another anser to your point on indoctriation. By doing so, in the long run, races will gell together and would crease to view each other with suspicion if they are working towards a common good.

CX SG

Originally posted by Sudaimiki:

This is another anser to your point on indoctriation. By doing so, in the long run, races will gell together and would crease to view each other with suspicion if they are working towards a common good.

yes... in the long run, it might help ethnic integration. but only if managed properly.

it is difficult to erase years of misunderstandings, prejudices and attitudes in 6 months.

i have a bold point to make: ethnic integration is NOT going to happen unless the bumiputra policy goes.

its obvious! there isn't equal opportunities for all ethnicities. you are not going to be able to convince anybody that "we are all equal and m'sians".

even if it was well executed in the 6 months, u expect them to stay indoctrinated throughout their life expectancy?

and what if it was ill-conceived, badly planned and poorly executed? it'll widen the ethnic schism because now, everyone can see their misunderstandongs, prejudices and pre-conceived notions come true and up close.

in Sg, NSmen talk about their NS experience for years after their 2.5 years. both the good AND the bad experiences.

thats why i'm skeptical that its going to amount to anything. its still the same rotten, discriminatory superstructure underneath.

CX SG

Embarassed ok... my mistake... failed to verify...

Orcishwarrior SG

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