Singapore Economy underfunded compared to military

last SG · 2002-09-12T15:13:42+00:00

Why we spend so much??? Just look at what type of neighbour we have??? We need it.

duotiga83 SG

all i wan to say is: balance both in military budget n economics…u can’t have a gd military but have a bad econs. this is the same in visi versa. This is wat the sg gov is trying to do now..

CX SG

Now lets look at b) Teaching locals. Understand this. Singapore has been under british rule for long time. Our people already know how to do business. We are not some communist country like vietnam that need 1 generation to catch up. So I have to strongly disagree with you that we need that long to learn from the FT

Yeah .. but Singapore has not moved into higher value service industries. We are still in manufacturing, and the latest attempt of moving into biotech is not bearing fruit yet. So in the mean time, we local workers get cut off with our greedy businessmen hiring FL to keep costs down.

its all part of the big picture... they can either hire foreign labour or go outta business... globalised labour market... i mentioned that before.

biotech, IT and the other new high tech industries Sg is going into will take time. of course it will. its a radical change. thats why i say, the learning process will take at least one generation.

Yes on that Australian case, but the case is that there is a law to at least consider a local first ..

and u would rather they made a law to pay lips service to local concerns, scare foreign investors and would not make a difference anyway? at least the gov't told u the truth this time: that times are tough and times are changing. there is no time to stop the train to allow those who missed it to hop on.

We did not sit on the sideline .. we had to allow the USA to land their aircraft carrier here .. not really neutral are we?

their ships have been docking here fo a long, long time now... a bit inconsistent to refuse them just cos u wanna look "independent"... pointless.

My rhetoric is the same one used by the government, we, the PAP were correct in the past, we are correct in everything else now. Sorry, since I am a product of our system, I will have to use the same logic that they have been spoon feeding us for 2 generations.

come now... thats just a lazy excuse on your part Mr. Green . they were right in the past, they're doin o.k now, but its up to us, the people, the electorate to assess this "success". the numbers look ok and the alternative is crap so... well...

My logic does not make sense to you, but neither is the government policy of never letting us question its intentions.

they are moving away from that... still a long way to go, but freedom of thought and freedom of expression is a process, not an event. you and i and everybody else is part of this process. this could never have happenned 20 years ago. it takes time. u open he flood-gate, u drown.

CX SG

My answer is how come we screwed the entire sports scene in Singapore. We have made Singaporeans totally apathetic towards sports by importing FTs. We have not use this FT to develop home grown talent. We have no young, up and coming artist, cartoonist, etc .. what funds is the govt putting here?

i make no apologies to the fact that i am totally apathetic towards sports because i honestly find it unproductive. i don't like the idea of gov't funding sports to begin with.

it doesn't bother me as much as it bothers u that we have no artists, cartoonists and sportsmen. Mr. Green

Yes .. thats why I am attacking the sacred cows. Our government told us in the last election that no sacred cow will be spared. They have since moved on to other issues (like allowing for more bar top dancing) so I have to bring out this cow to be sacrificed.

defence isn't merely a sacred cow. its a covenant. i like the way this money is being spent. call it nationalism, jingoism or plain belligerence. i don't like the idea that my motherland is being
[email protected]#ed around and unable to make an effective response.

i like to be able to shout in their face and say "up yours!" when they go too far and talk about crushing the little red dot.

laser51088 SG

I would say that the amount spent in military has paid off. Some years back, PM Goh used the poison shrimp analogy to describe Singapore. Today, we are no longer just a poison shrimp, irritating to any potential aggressor, but we are highly capable of holding our own in any regional war. And how do you think our ministers are able to speak with conviction abroad? Why is it that people bother to listen to a tiny red dot called Singapore? Alot of these have to do with the armed forces of each country, though it is not publicly stated. We have proved we are able carry out the basic duty of defending ourselves. This is very important as it shows capability.

And pls do not mention Japan here, Japan has the most powerful armed forces in the whole of Asia.

In my opinion, the US presence is not needed in Japan to protect it at all. I feel that the world is not ready to forgive Japan for its deeds. It currently still refuses to admit its war crimes. Until that happens, an expansion in the role of Japanese military shouLd not even be considered.

I would also like to add that buying of aircraft to replace our aging A-4SU airframes has been in the pipeline for some time. It is only natural that we should get the best we can afford.(best not only in terms of technology and effectiveness, but also in the entire package with each purchase, for example, the provision of training grounds, technology transfers, etc)

I am also of the opinion that ensuring the sovereignity of Singapore through the maintaining of its defence a capability is more important than having our sportsmen win trophies overseas. However, this is not to say SIngapore ignores the sports scene. It is trying to groom its own sportsmen and also attract foreign talent here. Grooming is done through allowing schools to have extensive sports programmes for people with talent. For example, Anglican High School has a sports class where students there spend alot more time on their sports training and are allowed to make up for lessones later.

Also, the Singapore government is also very willing to spend on its economy, the Suzhou Industrial project, although it ultimately was unsuccessful, demonstrates that. How else can you explain why Singapore was not as affected by the economic crisis in 1997 as compared to our large neighbours.

It is also not appropriate to compare defence spending by size of a country. For example, the US is 15,000 times the size of Singapore, does this mean that the US has to spend 15,000 times the amount Singapore spends on defence? Also, if you were to judge by size, then Canada must have one of the lowest defence budgets in the world.

I would also like a clearer definition of middile class in Malaysia. I visited Penang last year, and the taxi drivers were complaining about their government and telling me and my family how good our government is and we still complain. We would have to look at the majority that forms up their middle class. If it is indeed made up largely of bumiputras who are middle class only or at least largely due to government polices, then this would adversely force the creation of a lower class and divide the races further in an already racially split Malaysia, whose political parties are based not on ideology but more on the race of the people. Such parties include the UMNO (United Malay National Organisation), MCA (Malaysian Chinese Association) and the MIC (Malaysian Indian Congress).

Thus, I am of the opinion that we need to take a closer look before we criticise Singapore and praise the Malaysian government.

kenhor SG

To Nathan,

The Sri Lankan govt and the tamil tigers are going off to Thailand to negotiate peace terms .. after 19 years of terrorism.

The Singhalese will see all those thousands who are dead as they have died for nothing. They will also have to give up huge tracts of land in the NE and E of the country.

For the Tigers .. they did not get independance, but autonomy, for many of the fighters, that was not enough.

But the Norway negotiated peace mandate brokered a middle ground. If both sides accept it, there will be peace.

Such is what I am saying .. some sacrifice needed by both sides for PEACE. And it was achieved not fully through military might.

kenhor SG

To dkhoo,

Welcome .. may you post many more replies here!

Continuous military expenditure is required to ensure that our armed forces remain on par with our neighbors. Obsolete and aging equipment must be replaced, and new capabilities acquired just to keep up. It is a treadmill. This is the price of security. You can call it an arms race if you like -- same difference.

The key word you use is ON PAR .. we have gone beyond on par.

While we have one of the highest per GDP expenditures on defense and one of the highest per capita GDPs in the world, our defense expenditure is actually quite low, due to our low population. $4b a year really is not that much, and I never cease to be amazed at how much is done on this shoestring budget. Our military and intelligence apparatus are very well-adapted to its mission, including counterterrorism and external defense against likely agressors. I have no complaints about how the money has been spent.

The $4 billion you mention is in USD. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sn.html
That is about 4.5% of GDP.

Malaysia is spending $1.7 billion at 2.3% of GDP. (my.html)
Thailand is spending $1.8 billion at 1.7% of GDP. (th.html)
Indonesia is spending $1.3 billion at 1.3% of GDP (id.html)

We are not on shoestring.. we are definately overspending.

You advocate spending this money instead on the economy. How? This is not a stupid question, since "spending money on the economy" is not an obvious concept. You propose handouts for local businessmen. This will create moral hazard and destroy their incentive to excel -- we are not Malaysia (no offense to our neighbors).

I do not propose handouts .. I propose subsidies. For example, the USA has farm subsidies. We can have a healthcare subsidy for private centres catering to the old, the diabitic, the sick. We can have more subsidies for our hdbs .. We can have more funding to churches and other religious centres. We can put extra 4% (courtesy of govt) into our epf while our companies are facing this difficult time .. anything.. to make our personal life better. It saddens me to hear that our CPF is not enough for our old to live out their old age with, it saddens me to see old people working in mcdonalds.

You propose reducing the chilling effect that GLCs have on entrepreneurship. The government does not give the GLCs free money, by the way. The GLCs compete freely and fairly, and dominate the market through excellence and economies of scale. Singapore is one of the friendliest countries for SMEs (small-medium enterprises), with affordable capital, accomodating laws and good infrastructure. The reason why large enterprises find it hard to compete in Singapore is not because of government interference, but because they just do not make the cut. The telecoms market (M1, StarHub, etc.) is one of the few sectors where they did manage to compete -- and it looks OK to me.

The GLCs are the worst offenders of destroying private business initiative. How many mom and pop grocery shops are left? Is there a price war for our ticket fares (and when there is an increase of our price, can we protest?) And in telecom .. worse .. SingTel has to be forced to give good prices (once telecom market opened up) They were charging US$100k per E1 to USA in 2000, and that price dropped to US$15k in 2001 .. see how much they were gouging the market .. same goes for IDD ... USA carriers were giving them a wholesale rate of US$0.01 per minute even back in 2000. And they charged S$0.38 (since dropped to $0.18 now)

You seem to have a problem with foreign talent. The government did not "create" foreign talent, by the way. It exists out there regardless of whether you like it or not. It is just a fact of life that there are people out there who are better than Singaporeans and willing (in some cases) to work for less pay. So what do we do about it? Wishing will not make them disappear. We can either welcome them and try to benefit from them, or we can shut them out, either selectively or completely. Shutting them out just means that we will fall further and further behind, as other countries welcome these individuals. You cannot hold back the tide.

The USA offers these individuals WORK visas .. they have to stay for a pretty long time before becoming PRs ... I have nothing against people becoming FT. But I sure have problems with people becoming PRs after just 1 year .. especially the P part .. these people are not P in Singapore .. they make their bundle they leave .. they don't want our citizenship. My company once gave our India customer 2 tickets to the NDP. We asked him after the great show if he wants citizenship. He said "Why? India better."

In the long run, the solution is for Singaporeans to improve enough to beat these foreign talents in all fields. The government is already spending extensively on education to do this -- more than Singaporeans are able to absorb, in fact. Only so many people can be in school at a time, and Singaporeans are only so smart as a whole. However, as long as Singaporeans harbor your escapist attitude toward the issue of foreign talent, we will never catch up.

Hello. Our dear FT are not teaching us much .. they ingraine themselves into our economy and society so much that we will not improve .. e.g how many Singapore ping pong or badminton players have improved since we have all the imports? In fact, probably no local want to try and compete against them. Same goes for business .. after all the FT bosses at DBS, when are we getting the next Singaporean in charge?

You also have a problem with the Singaporean standard of living. A typical middle- to upper-class Singaporean, if he were to go overseas, would be able to own an estate with a mansion, and several cars. We are not poor, it is just that certain things here are expensive. Why is this so? Another poster mentioned supply and demand, and this is the key. Things are expensive here simply because supply is so low. Homes are expensive because the land they need to stand on is in short supply. Cars are expensive because the land they need to drive on is also in short supply. This is just another fact of life. There is nothing that any form of financial stimulus can do to rectify this. Reducing military expenditure will not help anyone get a car. After living in the USA for a total of 10 years, I can say from personal experience that, if anything, it is easier to own a car and a house in Singapore.

Yes .. you are right .. we are beggars in our own country. We can afford all this outside our own country but not where we are born, and definately NOT WHERE WE ARE DEFENDING WITH OUR LIVES. What then is our NS for? To defend a country where we are not able to afford cars, condos and golf clubs? To defend a country where 75% of the population can not even vote? Thats why I am writing this thread .. we need to see that the white cows exist while life still suck.

I did not mean to sound harsh, and I apologise if I did. However, I am tired of Singaporeans complaining about things that cannot be changed. It is probably due to a lack of basic economics knowledge that Singaporens do not realize they do this. I really have been enjoying this discussion. Keep it up!

Just as our government says .. we need to sacrifice the sacred cows .. thats my purpose of this thread. I will go it alone if I have to.

NathanG5 SG

? my fren may i noe y r u posting abt Tamil Tiger n Norwegian freedom fighter all of sudden??
in SG also got freedom fighter??
wat u toking abt...we did not say we gona use military might??
i say using intelligence to crack terrorist cell...r we in a big conflict wif another country now??
has the govt done not enuff on security for the country??
so wats ur point?
i ask again..has the country done not enuff for the security in SG?
u tell tat to the NSF guarding the Airport n other security area tat the govt have not done enuff..he will spit in ur face
pls think abt wat the NSF n NSmen have done for security
im not sure if u have been thru NS..but tis kind of feeling abt SG have not done enuff for security is suddening
btw...we r very out of topic Very Happy

kenhor SG

yes, Sg knows how to do business under the OLD model... business today is not what business was yesterday. its a lot harder, a lot more complex... if the new economy centered on globalisation and IT means business like usual, then why do we have a new name for it? the fact is, its very different and it impacts all of us in many ways. some more than others and we need to learn from the best to get acquainted with it.

Do you really believe what you are writing or just want to post it as a come back to me? If you see half of our FT, they come from third world countries (who are even more in the OLD model.. and alot of them are not really coming with a NEW PARADIGM to teach us. Maybe your MNC is different from mine.

its all part of the big picture... they can either hire foreign labour or go outta business... globalised labour market... i mentioned that before. biotech, IT and the other new high tech industries Sg is going into will take time. of course it will. its a radical change. thats why i say, the learning process will take at least one generation.

To you maybe .. but I can see plenty of other companies around the region that can exist without all this so call FT. But, I guess that the govt chose to invite all these MNCs to set up shop in Singapore, they have to allow them to bring in anyone they like .. after all, the industries that these MNCs set up in Singapore can be easily replicated somewhere else .. our FT policy is about the only thing that is keeping them here.

and u would rather they made a law to pay lips service to local concerns, scare foreign investors and would not make a difference anyway? at least the gov't told u the truth this time: that times are tough and times are changing. there is no time to stop the train to allow those who missed it to hop on.

And thats why we do not have democracy. The voters have a say. In Singapore, the government will do what it THINKS is best for the country, but not willing to consider anyone's else's opinion on the matter. If they tried it in Europe or Australia, the local citizens there will have thrown out the government by now.

their ships have been docking here fo a long, long time now... a bit inconsistent to refuse them just cos u wanna look "independent"... pointless.

Yes .. remember that when China and USA has a conflict and threatens us.

come now... thats just a lazy excuse on your part . they were right in the past, they're doin o.k now, but its up to us, the people, the electorate to assess this "success". the numbers look ok and the alternative is crap so... well...

You are saying the government is also lazy. yes .. I know the standard of opposition is crap .. but that does not mean we have to give carte blance to the government on everything. The white elephants and sacred cows must be questioned and if unneccessary, sacrificed.

they are moving away from that... still a long way to go, but freedom of thought and freedom of expression is a process, not an event. you and i and everybody else is part of this process. this could never have happenned 20 years ago. it takes time. u open he flood-gate, u drown.

They have been "moving" from that for 20 years? Nope .. the last 2001 GE proved you wrong. The govt has not changed much. They believe they know best. They have even brainwashed us to "defend" the sacred cows (and publicly asked us to spare none of it) .. I am not asking for a flood gate to be open. I am asking for the white elephant to be questioned.

kenhor SG

To CX,

i make no apologies to the fact that i am totally apathetic towards sports because i honestly find it unproductive. i don't like the idea of gov't funding sports to begin with. it doesn't bother me as much as it bothers u that we have no artists, cartoonists and sportsmen.

Well, then I guess I came to the wrong forum. The funny thing is that 90% of Malaysians are really ignorant of the military. I was watching their NDP with my Malaysian cousin. A MLRS launcher rolled past. My cousin look blur and asked if that is a lorry for what?

The whole world is not competiting in military hardware. Who excells in sport is often respected more. Like China. Everyone is in awe of the chinese atheletes. Even the Aussies worry about the chinese one day winning more golds than them.

defence isn't merely a sacred cow. its a covenant. i like the way this money is being spent. call it nationalism, jingoism or plain belligerence. i don't like the idea that my motherland is being
[email protected]#ed around and unable to make an effective response.

i like to be able to shout in their face and say "up yours!" when they go too far and talk about crushing the little red dot.

Our motherland is being F#*&ed around in sports .. I feel the same way about you when we get destroyed in sports. And guess what, sports gets lots more international coverage than military purchases.

And another thing .. we did not develop the planes. Its american. I feel no national pride about our airforce as we have no locally developed plane. Its still american. Unlike the IDF. Or the Brits. Or even the Indians .. they have made their own stuff. They can be proud of showing the hardware off as it is their own design. We are just users.I am proud of our soldiers as it is 100% local. But we have to get rid of the sacred cows.

kenhor SG

To lazer51088

I would say that the amount spent in military has paid off. Some years back, PM Goh used the poison shrimp analogy to describe Singapore. Today, we are no longer just a poison shrimp, irritating to any potential aggressor, but we are highly capable of holding our own in any regional war. And how do you think our ministers are able to speak with conviction abroad? Why is it that people bother to listen to a tiny red dot called Singapore? Alot of these have to do with the armed forces of each country, though it is not publicly stated. We have proved we are able carry out the basic duty of defending ourselves. This is very important as it shows capability.

You know what? We are more than capable of defending ourselves. That is not the question here. The question here is the overkill to fund our military industrial complex. Right now, we have cuts in our cpf, our healthcare, transport costs rising. Is it bad to ask that we cut our defense budget as well?

Also, during the water negotiations, did Malaysia back down from their price increase because of our military? Nope. They still want an increase. Even if we are going "threaten" them with our military, they are stilll going to ASK for a price increase. So in any international negotiations, having the moral high ground is more important than the threat of launching an offnsive attack if your negotiations fail.

And pls do not mention Japan here, Japan has the most powerful armed forces in the whole of Asia.

Yes .. but Japan also has the best healthcare, and economy in Asia. Apples to apples.

In my opinion, the US presence is not needed in Japan to protect it at all. I feel that the world is not ready to forgive Japan for its deeds. It currently still refuses to admit its war crimes. Until that happens, an expansion in the role of Japanese military shouLd not even be considered.

If you did not already notice, the japan culture and economy has already swept over SEA and won. Shit for their military. Their culture and certain lifestyle has made more progress than their army ever could. Can you see how many fashions, electronic equipment and other stuff is influencing us here? How come our singapore lifestyle not being promoted that well in other countries? See .. they have more money to spend on their economy and culture, and people all over asia emulate them.

I would also like to add that buying of aircraft to replace our aging A-4SU airframes has been in the pipeline for some time. It is only natural that we should get the best we can afford.(best not only in terms of technology and effectiveness, but also in the entire package with each purchase, for example, the provision of training grounds, technology transfers, etc)

It can be delayed. Just as our CPF cut is not restored, we can jolly well wait until that happens before getting the upgrade.

I am also of the opinion that ensuring the sovereignity of Singapore through the maintaining of its defence a capability is more important than having our sportsmen win trophies overseas. However, this is not to say SIngapore ignores the sports scene. It is trying to groom its own sportsmen and also attract foreign talent here. Grooming is done through allowing schools to have extensive sports programmes for people with talent. For example, Anglican High School has a sports class where students there spend alot more time on their sports training and are allowed to make up for lessones later.

Well, sorry to disagree with you then. To me, a country glory in the international arena is more important. Anyway, we HAVE ENOUGH to defend ourselves. I am asking for some small increase in the other parts of the economy at the expense of the military. You can disagree .. its your right. Just as its my right to disagree with you. Lucky for you, it seems that this entire forum is on your side. Poor me.

Also, the Singapore government is also very willing to spend on its economy, the Suzhou Industrial project, although it ultimately was unsuccessful, demonstrates that. How else can you explain why Singapore was not as affected by the economic crisis in 1997 as compared to our large neighbours.

Suzhou was money INVESTED in CHINA . OPTUS was money invested into BRITAIN and AUSTRALIA. Singapore was not affected by the economic crisis in 1997 as we did not have overheating economies. However, how come we were in recession in 2001 when our neighbours did not?

It is also not appropriate to compare defence spending by size of a country. For example, the US is 15,000 times the size of Singapore, does this mean that the US has to spend 15,000 times the amount Singapore spends on defence? Also, if you were to judge by size, then Canada must have one of the lowest defence budgets in the world.

I am comparing to Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia. Our budget exceeds all of them. Its unneccessary.

I would also like a clearer definition of middile class in Malaysia. I visited Penang last year, and the taxi drivers were complaining about their government and telling me and my family how good our government is and we still complain.

Funny, I spoke to many Singapore taxi drivers. .. they same the same thing about we Singaporeans.

We would have to look at the majority that forms up their middle class. If it is indeed made up largely of bumiputras who are middle class only or at least largely due to government polices, then this would adversely force the creation of a lower class and divide the races further in an already racially split Malaysia, whose political parties are based not on ideology but more on the race of the people. Such parties include the UMNO (United Malay National Organisation), MCA (Malaysian Chinese Association) and the MIC (Malaysian Indian Congress).

The middle class of Malaysia is growing. Not shrinking. The income gap between our middle class and our upper class is growing. This will lead to much disatisfaction between the haves and have nots. The upper class in Singapore drive cars, live in condos, play golf. They travel overseas, they hire FT to run business for them. The middle class here live in HDB, use MRT, worry about FL taking over their jobs.

In Malaysia .. the antagism is between races, I agree. But in Singapore, its between hearlander and cosmopolitian. I am proposing a solution to improve the lives of the poor. By sacrificing a white elephant.

Thus, I am of the opinion that we need to take a closer look before we criticise Singapore and praise the Malaysian government.

I am not praising the Malaysian government wholeheartedly. I just want us to emulate the best. Don't care who its from. Our government does not know best. Its time to question the existance of the white elephants and sacrifice the sacred cows.

silkmagic SG

bigballs11, there is some problem with your calculation. If you divide S$5 billion over 4 million, the answer is S$1250 and not 125 and therefore it should be around 2% load class of thir economy

kenhor SG

To nathan,

I was trying to show you that to get rid of terrorists, you need to know what they want. We either accomodate (involving sacrifice on both sides) or we destroy them utterly.

But it also goes to show that military force could not destroy them for 19 years.

bigballs11 SG

Oops Mr. Green my mistake Shocked too many zeros Rolling Eyes
BTW, a little mistake on Mat land side, their budget is more to RM15 billion, and population is about 18 million, so end up about same same la

NathanG5 SG

[quote]Originally posted by kenhor:
To lazer51088

[b]And pls do not mention Japan here, Japan has the most powerful armed forces in the whole of Asia.

Yes .. but Japan also has the best healthcare, and economy in Asia. Apples to apples.

Well, sorry to disagree with you then. To me, a country glory in the international arena is more important. Anyway, we HAVE ENOUGH to defend ourselves. I am asking for some small increase in the other parts of the economy at the expense of the military. You can disagree .. its your right. Just as its my right to disagree with you. Lucky for you, it seems that this entire forum is on your side. Poor me.

tats obvious..cos ur wrong
pls be glad on wat u have now..dun ask for anything more
u toking abt the poor?? do u noe wat is the meaning of poor??
poor is tat u dun have enuff money to eat..no place to slp..cant enjoy watching tv..poor?

have u been to India?? have u been to Indonesia?
have u been to any 3rd world n c wat is poor all abt
pls be happy tat u have enuff money to spent n live thru per mth
dun ask for too much...

NathanG5 SG

oh izit?
i did not say that the Govt is doin nothing..read carefully at my post
i say not enuff..n tat was frm u..not me
unfunded? y r u so sure?
im askin u one more time...how come u so sure?
u say that the Govt is wrong..so who is rite?
u?...if tats the case..y not give some solution for the Govt now n we can discuss it at the same time
n pls read my post properly..thanx

kenhor SG

I actually been to both India and Indonesia . they do not spend so much money on military .. true India is spening more money than Singapore, but its less in PER CAPITA basis .. 2.5% vs our 4.5%

We are not poor. But our ecomony is supporting a white elephant. We have to get rid of it. Reduce our expenditure in terms of % per capita.

Why want to compare to India and Indonesia when we can compare to Australia or Malaysia? We must compare with the better countries .. not the worst.

kenhor SG

To Nathan,

My solutions are in some of the posts in page 2. Improve healthcare, care for the aged, sports, education, transport hike deffered, subsidize CPF cut etc.

NathanG5 SG

wait a min here...im saying tis again n again
is SG under attack frm terrorist like Hamas of the Palestine?
or the Tamil Tiger..or watever freedom fighter?
r we?
u r out of point...did i say use military force?
i say use military intelligence..make the rite decision n prevent anything frm happening..so wat izit gotta do wif buying military stuff?
Military can use on both preventing invasion n Terrorist...we can use less of Military equipment on terrorist..but can we use less of it on preventing invasion?

slight changes Very Happy

NathanG5 SG

is Msia n Australia better shape den us?
now u telling me India dun spent less money in military..but how come their country in such a bad state?
i did not say our country is poor...u say help the poor..yes!!
we shld help the poor..but is the majority poor now?
we dun compare? wat im telling u now is be happy wif wat u have now
how much more u wan? a perfect country???
if there is a problem wif the economy..find the problem..
dun pull Military expenditure into it

duotiga83 SG

there WILL NVR have a perfect country with everything so balance…yes terrorism is a major factor now..but we r not usa…..we still depend on them….n i say we got onli hav human resource for our econs.

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