Singapore Economy underfunded compared to military

last SG · 2002-09-12T15:13:42+00:00

Why we spend so much??? Just look at what type of neighbour we have??? We need it.

mfscrewu SG

asdfg2

In your view, military hardware spending is not part of military spending. That I must say is a flawed view. Any military expenditure in any armed forces in the world inludes a substantial amount set aside for hardware replacement as well as for upgrading. And that's military spending for you in case you do not know.

In your argument, you said that a country with strong army might not be necessary to be an economic superpower. Let's examine an example, Japan. The reason that Japan is not strong militarily is because her constitution does not allow a strong military due to her role in WW2. Looking at her defense force, it is also not difficult to see that as of now, it possesses one of the most advanced military hardware in that region. Even China is wary of Japan. Do you think other nation is not eyeing a piece of Japan? I don't think so.

Looking back at singapore, the picture here is not as rosy as it seems. Sandwiched between 2 "relatively" hostile land mass, a less than strong military is going to attract lots of meddling in our internal affairs. Imagine, if SAF does not get this expensive hardware when sg was still a young nation, do you think you and I could enjoy the economic success we have now? Chances are we will be even worse off than malaysia. No MNCs will invest in a country which is not secure. There are countless example out there, look at some countries in the africa continent. Why are they still living in poverty? It is because of their war with other neighbours over the decades that caused it.

Projecting a an image of an aggressive army shows prospective investors that sg is secure enough and there is no worries of their investments going down the drain. Likewise, the military in sg is meant to be a warning to any troublemakers that we will hit them hard if we have to in order to protect our economy.

Finally, I don't know what your problem is with the current defense spending and I am glad you are not any defense advisor. Should that happen, I will dread what holds for the future of Singapore.

CX SG

i seem to have heard u quote tim huxley more than once... at least 3 times in fact...

i've read the book and i am telling u now, that it is NOT the bible of SAF capabilities so will u PLEASE read and quote from somewhere else Evil or Very Mad

i don't like the israel of se asia lable too because the similarities ends with the fact that we are surrounded by muslim neighbours! it is certainly not a strategically accurate picture and it is certainly overly alarmist and pessimistic in its implications.

nobody expects our neighbours to push us into the sea (except for the maniac JI people they arrested recently)

the closest u ever get is some mats yelling across the causeway telling u to pay more for water!

a little knowledge is a dangerous thing...

asdfg2 SG

The lack of intelligence is killing me here, so I had better speak slowly:

1) Did I say miltary hardware purchases is not part of miltary spending:
Your buddy is arguing that a strong and aggressive miltary creates a strong economy. Is that rational? give you a moment to think whether it is true. (I can give a full blown argument, complete with counterexamples but then I may be wasting my breath with irrational people). China is wary of Japan, because of wartime aggression in the past and China never had designs on Japan ever.

2) Israel of SEA?!! If Sg is ever like Israel, even for a day, Sg will dead or crippled. Sure we should occupy Johor now or in the future right, so that we aren't caught "turtling".

3) Just think of a war Sg's image projected by an aggressive force. Just think of Japan's image of an aggressive army and it's effect on ties with its neighbours.

As much as whoever it is is happy that I am not a defence advisor, Sg is glad that they have u ppl as diplomats or policy makers. Otherwise you ppl fall into a JI trap without a doubt.

And kudos to all the rugrats with their peashooters for not examining the need, cause and effect of war on Sg.

asdfg2 SG

Imagine in the distant future:

Sucide bombers in occupied Johor.

asdfg2 SG

Only way that Sg can have a swift war is that it has American’s miltary or that My or Indo have parang men.

asdfg2 SG

CX: Uncorruptability can be easily proven; however efficiency is not. We are not miltary experts and cannot give a benchmark on what is efficient or not. Plain common sense is not optimum efficiency; and miltary hardware's efficiency procurment efficiency may not be accurately measured in economical terms. So facts gathered must neccessarily be lengthy and the peruser of sufficent knowledge.

Strong vs expeditorary?
Anti ballistic missles. A larger, well-trained, well-paid professional army. A few ballistic missles. Subs. Anti-Subs.

Sg's aircraft carrier and/or long range stealth bomber. Arsenal of Ballisitic missles. Crusier. Destoryer

Oh yeah tripwire, please stopt faking your age and your credentials. If someone was to take you seriously, then it is an bad indication that adults can have such juevenile minds and tendencies in Singapore.

asdfg2 SG

"but i need to stress... IF every nation only trade within their own borders... you and I in singapore would be eating grass and chewing concrete.... we need trade... trade to exploit each others strength and comparative advantage... by this... it would imply that where the local firms are less efficient... the jobs should be taken by a foreign yard...but understandably... under the same system... of comparative advantage... singapore will also build some of the same goods locallly.... and hopefully with the foreign purchase... will come transfer of technology and skills that will enable the singapore firm to move their CA upward. "

Trade. Define trade. Then products. Define products. Under system of abosulte compartive advantage, Sg will not be building a lot of things it is building now.

CX SG

Originally posted by asdfg2:
CX: Uncorruptability can be easily proven; however efficiency is not. We are not miltary experts and cannot give a benchmark on what is efficient or not. Plain common sense is not optimum efficiency; and miltary hardware's efficiency procurment efficiency may not be accurately measured in economical terms. So facts gathered must neccessarily be lengthy and the peruser of sufficent knowledge.

your point being?

is this part of your 3-pronged convince, confuse, con strategy? i see u are at the second stage now...

miltary hardware's efficiency procurment efficiency may not be accurately measured in economical terms

and pray, tell us how oh enlightened one, how one might measure military procurements efficiently if not measured at least tangibly in economic terms (economics is the study of the discipline, economical means "cheap" )

if u have a problem with my approach, constructively suggest other factors to be taken into account which proves otherwise. if u cannot do that, i cannot accept evidence through omission.

so here's to you: prove it.

EXCO SG

asdfg2... you seem to have a vew peculiar view on things... very... erm... unconventional indeed... Mr. Green

tripwire SG

and kudos to the moron that is wasting all our time.... Evil or Very Mad

tripwire SG

yawnn....... in the DISTANT future..................

hey.... kuku.... if people dont like you... they will suicide bomb you even if you did nothing to them... or if you appeared as unable or unwilling to do the same against them....

Isrealis are simply too tolerant with the palentinians... Uncle SAM shows the correct way to deal with terrorist... you bomb them and you kill them and bloody hell buried them right in the rat holes they hide in.... no remorse.....

ITs a war...... and if MAF hit singapore civilians... I cannot guarantee you that SAF will not do likewise by napalming every damn malaysian villange, town and cities... until the MAF or watever resistance factions realise the foolishness of their actions....

and when singapore civilians are killed... the SAF soldiers in the front... may have little reason to restraint themselves from doing likewise... and if the MAF or JI operates without Uniform... woe is to the malaysian civilians... cos than SAF might simply choose to be safe then sorry......

tripwire SG

Laughing

boy...... when did you last change your diapers???

tripwire SG

comfirm my belief... YOU KNOW SHIT about economics..... only a kuku would make the above statement....

do you know wat is comparative advantage....?? you O level economics or A level economics?? obviously you DONT... else you wont be asking stupid question.... go and read it up.... Laughing

laser51088 SG

errm. on the issue of Israel being too patient with the Palestinians, I personally think they don't have much of a choice. if they whack Palestine, which does not deserve to exist in the first place, just look at the state they are in and all they ever do and produce (suicide bombers), Israel will get recieve a foreign relations nightmare if they whack Palestine. On the other hand, while people will also cirticise the US, the US still holds great influence in this world.

And I personally think there is nothing wrong with Singapore's defence spending. . .we naturally have to spend more, just take a look around. . ., and i know this sounds childish, but it remains the truth: i doubt Malaysia wil give in on ANYTHING if we dun prove we can whack them. . .

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errr. . .and like i said in one of my posts, supposed to be mugging for exams now, just slacking a bit. . .

EXCO SG

I fully agree Mr. Green

asdfg2 SG

I am not talking to kids with peashooters and who cannot even issue proper grammatical sentences or discuss issues in a mature way, much less economics.

Whether Palaestine deserves to exist or not is strictly your opinion. Palaestine does not deserve to exist..on what basis? Theoretically if Palaestine does not deserve to exist, then on what basis has Singapore to exist?

asdfg2 SG

Neither can you. That is the point. Is there an academic benchmark, based on other factors like efficency and suitabilty of the weapon which cannot be measured in economic terms as well as the worldwide comparison of miltary acquistions.

Your explanation given is that someone bought something for X dollars from foreign companies and not > X dollars from GLC, replacing an antiquated technology? So, is there something I can compare to.

1) is it possible that there are "cheaper" places to acquire or negotiations such that the price can be driven lower.
2) is someone more efficient?

Without explict and in depth knowledge about aforementioned technology, I can only rely on general reasoning?
Nice reasoning about evidence by omission only; the problem is that I have shown above that your reasoing is shallow and the facts you have displayed are insufficient.

asdfg2 SG

Sure I don't like tripwire and his juevenile postings, am I allowed to report him before he becomes a menace to the security of Sg if he endangers the relationship between My and Sg in order to instigate a war.

On the issue of all "strong miltaries" being the basis on all strong economies, look no further than N.Korea, Russia, Pakistan. Try getting into war with these chaps.

asdfg2 SG

EXCO, I strongly suggest open discussion with your teachers and your parents if you believe strongly in your opinions or what tripwire is saying. You are entitled to your views but it is important to talk to adults about such issues, more important than sex.

tripwire SG

Countries..... those MFs WHO dont know how to coexist with other nations within the framwork of a global system... CANNOT exist....

Until those MFs palaestinians realise that they are not the centre of the universe and they are no closer to GOD then the next fella... THEY will not be accepted into the folds of nations.... even if they do.... they will one day ends up like IRAQ or PRNK.

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