SAF, try winning a war in Afghanistan without dropping a bom

Heartlander SG · 2001-11-29T05:26:00+00:00

Hahahah… blast is wat happens when the 210mm round lands. =P

Heartlander SG

Besides cleaning rifles and polishing boots, what else the NSmen learn from playing hide and seek in the tropical forest?

It may be high time SAF revamping its training and produce somebody who could win an Afghan war without dropping a bomb! Singapore is small and it is impossible for it to wage a war like the Americans did! So the only survival skill is to fight and win a war without any conventional hardwares, and believe me if Osama bin Laden could brought the Americans to their knees, SAF should outsmart him to produce some world class tacticians and strategists who can beat the Americans and Russians to win a war in Afghanistan without testing a bomb and make Singapore proud!

Just imagine that a few plane tickets and a knife could wage a war of some sort, those hide and seek games, those precious hours, those flashy warplanes and those conventional war strategies may be rendered obsolete in the aftermath of Sept 11th! SAF should be looking to more thinking soldiers or training more world class strategists than playing with those old outdated toys

Shotgun SG

What out-dated toys?

Viper52 SG

They clean their rifles so that in times of war they will do the same and therefore won't end up having to use stones to try and stop their enemies because the rifles are so dirty they cannot be fired.

SAF standards of boots just demands basic cleanliness, as long as its black it accpetable, except at parades. Its not like in the 60s when they had to have a mirror shine to them. If asking your son's boots to be just black, not shiny instead of looking all grimy and dirty is too much, I really wonder what kind of lazy tardy sloth he is that he would prefer to look like something the cat dragged in.

They learn jungle training so that if hes asked to fight there in the future, he'd actually fight and not cower behind some tree crying for mummy and daddy to come save him.

tripwire SG

we got lots of thinking soldiers... that is why there is so many geng king in the army.

as for osama... his strategy is a big flop... he bring down one american building but end up loosing the entire country of afganistan!! not to mention his life is now on the line...

Shotgun SG

Whats a world class strategist?

Sn1perscope SG

Dear Heartlander,
I think u would have a better idea of what NSmen does when u get enlisted for national service.

According to you, "to WIN an afghan war, WITHOUT dropping a bomb...." are u saying that there is another alternative to what is happening now in afghanistan without resorting to warfare? If u are coming across based on humanitarian angle,( Perhaps u understood Sun Tzu's Art Of War, when he said the acme of a skilled strategist's prowess is to conquer without resorting to a fight. i.e. a bloodless coup.) I applaud your altruisim. But then, what has SAF gotta do with it ?

Or perhaps what u meant was that the conventional responses i.e. aerial bombardment, ground intelligence gathering missions etc... cannot work. Then what do u think is happening now ? Mazar E Sharif has been taken, so has Herat, then Kabul and now
Kandahar. (have i missed out Jalalabad?)

Our defence (read DEFENCE) policy is based on establishing and maintaining mutual relations with our neighbouring countries. If push comes to a shove, our objective is to project an image that we will make it extremely difficult and futile effort for an aggressor force to take us out.

Perhaps in the next National Day mobile column drive-past please pay attention to the hardware displayed (they are no longer only 3-tonners) or even better still, wait for enlistment day and u can have an intensive 2 to 2 and half years of vocation trg (provided u are medically fit and physically abled to qualify for the SAF).

I assure u, your M-16 or (if u are lucky enough ) SAR 21 are more than just outdated toys.

Shotgun SG

I feel that the SAR-21 is really one of the best rifles in the world right now.

Then again, heartlander was probably comparing it to the US OICW, which would make the SAR-21 look like rather.... primitive.

Ducati996 SG

errr....actually.....
SAR-21 damn screwed up. looks cool, revolutionary features, yada-yada-yada.... but......screwed up.....
but good effort by our engineers anyway. the weapon just needs further modifications dats all. at least we got other stuff to prove our technological capability. the bionix, which almost won a contract by US army. the fh2000, artillery gun requring least number of operators and being considered for purchase by other countries. spike anti-tank missile jointly developed with israel and highly advanced rivalling other anti-tank missile types. and thats just army engineering.
you get my point. primitive??

Raisin SG

wats so bad abt the sar21 other than the fragile scope?

Anyway do u ppl tink earplugs are practical in a real war?

Ducati996 SG

fren of mine from 6sir used the weapon. says its heavier. and the laser aiming device, go river crossing once, come out of the water and the aiming goes way off. my csm was from siw and he sez the weapon is not balanced, ie, it is heavier behind and lighter in front, unlike the m16. some more the various parts of the weapon are not as interchangeable as the m16.
and heres a funny story. when the sar21 came out, they presented it to the siw instructors at tekong. there was this major who was dam pro-sar21 even though he wasnt a weapon instructor hence knows nuts bout weapons. he kept tryin to convince the siw staff dat the weapon marvelous but they kept being skeptical. finally he decided to prove that the weapon was indestructible by dropping it. it smashed. heh heh. really happened.
and i dont think ppl will use ear plugs in real combat. open space unlike chambers in range, sound not as loud. and its hard enuff to hear instructions with evrybuddy shouting, even during exercise with blanks. who the heck would wear ear plugs in real combat?
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[This message has been edited by Ducati996 (edited 23 November 2001).]

Raisin SG

haha..i still tink the m16 is better, only thing i dont like abt it is that it's very troublesome to clean the bolt carrier..not like those gas piston designs(e.g. SAW)
I guess if ST continues to improve the design and get better materials to built it..it will definitely be a world class weapon

Shotgun SG

Perhaps thats one thing that ST Tech Missed out when designing the SAR-21, Ruggedness. You guys make it sound as though the SAR 21 is damm fragile and would break like a dry brance.

I the ultimate test for a rifle, would be combat. Being banged around, dropped here, wet there, mud splashed over etc etc. Is the SAR-21 rugged enough? I've heard storys about the SiG-552 being dipped into mud, fished out, and fired straight, without cleaning... can the SAR -21 do that?

Someone enlighten me plz.

Ducati996 SG

this is exactly wat ST Kinetics is trying to find out lor. dats why you dont see it in bmt yet. the units using it are the ones testing it.
yah i know you see them carry sar21 at airport look cool. reason: airport where got jungle, air-con shiok shiok. sure can work wat.

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sakaratulz SG

toking abt guns....i long time haven't ease spring squeeze trigger...( hope reservist can keng like last time)

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Shotgun SG

I’d like to shoot a 210mm artillery piece….... hur hur..

Viper52 SG

Funny...I've always enjoyed range, be it in BMT or unit life. Its a rare chance to go about doing something which we don't normally get to do as a civilian, and in NS, its a chance to get away from the drudgery or daily life. Of course, being a specialist and therefore not exactly having to live with the same kind of disciplinary rules as the enlistees does help...hehe...but that doesn't explain why I like range in BMT...I just think its fun

Shotgun SG

Shooting is fun when you are really striving to improve your score

Desert Fox SG

Agree...espeically when you can only miss 2 shots with 8 shots to go for your marksmanship. It is more exciting then listening to the radio to check your Toto and 4D IMHO.

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Where is Montgomery? I thought I am supposed to meet him for lunch????.....

sakaratulz SG

me was ave shooter in bmt nee soon but come to tekong bcome bobo, dunno y. since then hate range and siam all the way until ORD

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Ducati996 SG

heh heh
dont confuse 'shoot' with 'blast'!!!

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