Is NS Nesscery ? Crap Can't Spell !

last SG · 2000-03-12T11:45:00+00:00

Yes. Three years is indeed a long time. We can't hide from NS but perhaps we can all think of something more lucrative. ------------------ Chromeheart Mind...

millennium SG

Well to adrain xtc:
For what I saw so far, those rich men sons and big shot sons (so call Whitehorse) usually serve simple BMT, like those in welfare BMT companies. After that they will be posted to simple unit which does not require them to sweat.

Rich men sons can see specialists until they got down graded is one very common example.

Big shots can visit their sons in BMT and bring them out for night snack as and when they like. I do not know what means they used. Maybe their ranks? Who knows?

These are some examples, if you want to know some more, can tell you more next time.

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AngelDark SG

In certain countries, women also join the army. Thats because of the equality stuff.
Women in s'pore may be still put of army because there is no complete equality in s'pore.

chromeheart SG

AngelDark,

That is a rather cynical way of labelling 'equality' in Singapore.

In Singapore, we do practice equality, except that we include bits of humanitism.

SAF also allows females to join the Army isn't it???

Provided if the females think that they are fit enough and mentally strong to take the training.

So what's your rational behind the statement about females joining the army in the States???

Is it of any reference to the topic???

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adrian xtc SG

to chromeheart:

well, actually max_rian means "siam" themselves from TOUGH TRAINING, NOT "siam" themselves from serving ns earlier. no matter u go ns earlier or later, the training is still the same.

regarding female in the army in other countries, i only can said that each country has different systems on manpower.

to millennium:

"Rich men sons can see specialists until they got down graded is one very common example."

specialists??? wat type of specialist???

would like to hear more from u.

millennium SG

To adrian txc:
Have you served NS? If you have, I am sure you will see many examples there. For the sake of those who don't know, what I most commonly see from people is to see heart specialists or back specialists. These is the easiest way to get downgraded. See once cannot get downgraded see second time, second time cannot see third time, see until can downgrade than give up. Do you think poor people can afford to see specialists so many time. There are many fit people in Mindef doing clerk, do you think they really got health problem?

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adrian xtc SG

no, i havent serve ns.

i thought those poor people can go see specialists at cmpb cos it's free of charge.

err, pardon me, i thought that pple go outside (eg hospital) see specialists, also must go cmpb see again??? cos the cmpb want to make sure that those outsider specialists r "telling the truth".

millennium SG

My answer to your doubt is actually very simple, you mention go cmpb to see specialist, do you know those cmpb MOs are military personnal? Do you think you can get down graded there easily?

As for your second question is even more simple, go to see the cmpb or unit MOs is to let them refer you to medical board to comfirm the downgrades. MOs they themself cannot happy happy say you downgrade means you downgrade. Must go through proper procedure. Lets say your specialist is the top specialist in the world, he say you got heart problem, in that case don't you think the MOs will get refer to medical board? Don't forget your specialist is TOP SPECIALIST.

adrian xtc SG

thanks for ur reply.

just want to ask u whether pple who go see specialists have major or minor problems (eg. back & heart problems u mentioned), cos i dun think pple have minor problems can be easily downgraded.

but i have seen a case (my friend), cmpb approves him to be downgraded to pes C cos he has a minor facture in his elbow, he has an accident when he was a child. i understand that such thing (physical problems from accident) can be downgraded but dun understand why he can be downgraded cos he told me it's not serious (minor case) n still can lift things without much difficulty.

i'm afraid wat i have said is wrong cos i'm not too familiar with such matter, wat's ur say???

chromeheart SG

To Adrian,

Yes, I know that Max's definition of 'siam' is in reference to the tough training.

If you read carefully, my definition is in tandem with the deterring of NS liability.

And what was that statement about different systems in manpower for the women in other countries??

What's so much about the difference?? Isn't it the same??? Women do not serve compulsory NS in other countries. Which is the same in Singapore as well.

Any importance in that statement????

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millennium SG

To adrian xtc:

To get downgraded or not is simply determined whether you can present yourself properly in front of the MOs. If one example a man who had slight motorcycle accidient on his legs before and require operation, althought it seems that he is perfectly all right now, in front of the MOs, he claim that sometime he still have pain here and there. Who can prove he is wrong? I think only he himself knows.

As for case of minor problems, if a person is determine to get downgrade, go see the specialist every week, sooner or later the specialist will find some fault and recommand downgrade for him.

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Max_rian SG

Whether or not 2 get downgraded is up 2 the Specialists but pple get medical appointment 2 enjoy the time outside. Most commonly used "excuses", in-grow toe-nail, wisdom tooth n the most frustration 1 is mind-grain(spelling??) n interview.
Wisdom tooth extraction can earn up 2 2weeks of att C home, shiok huh.
Hai, shd have learn from those pple.

the truth SG

try something more serious like prolapse disc, 1 mth mc. try acting more realistically. some cases gives u 3 mtyhs mc.
Worse still, get some brain damage. real or fake. it could earn u a pes f........why bother with stuff that can be easily verified like wisdom tooth and such? or maybe, act crazy and try contemplting suicide. P/s just make sure u dun really do it. just talk abt it and contemplagte and play on from that point.

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adrian xtc SG

to chromeheart:

u have a point. wat i mean is that maybe they sort of lack males, so they encourage females to join too. same as in SG.

to millennium:

no wonder u said it's for rich pple. only them can afford to see specialists every week.

adrian xtc SG

see above.

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adrian xtc SG

sorry for the duplicate postings cos rejected by flood control.

millennium SG

Hmmmmmm.

chromeheart SG

Ah Adrian,

Perhaps I will agree with you on these. Lack of males. Perhaps they need the females for PR!!

Cheers

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Terence SG

good grief - its just 2.5 years and not your entire life. tsk tsk. why can't you just grin and bear it?

pokemon and adrian, i wished you two were in my unit. i would have made you taste the doorsteps of hell. lucky for you i've ORDed long ago.

maestro SG

I see some of the reply I feel sad. We must understand that the defence of Singapore is very vital for us to lead normal lifes. take kuwait for example? Bcos it relies on other to defend them, the help came to late. how much was lost. You people have to understand, others will not defend you without motive. They have to gain out of it too and lucky for kuwait they have oil. my only hope is our goverment will never reverse the NS rulez. LOOK i dont like to serve any more then u all do but some Sacrifice have to be made. Think abt it

KTE SG

Just do it man! Complain complain, still have to do right? So just do it, and do it right!

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