Will you Spare the rod and raise a Brat?

Bikeforceful SG

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Summer hill SG

Grandma told me that when she was a young teacher in village primary School, She had scolded a young child harshly for misbehaving and not paying attention in class. Unknown to her, the mother of the child -a egg seller auntie was watching the episode, behind a pillar.
The next morning this egg seller auntie came to the class with 6 hugh eggs wrapped in some old newspaper and greeted grandma giving her the eggs in gratitude. She then identified herself as the mother of the child who had been reprimanded for misbehaving and thanked grandma for being a caring teacher. Grandma was of course afraid of taking anything from any parent in case she gets accused of taking bribes, declined to accept the eggs, but assured her that he son will be given special attention to make sure he passes his exams.
The egg seller implored: ” sinseh you beat him if he doesn’t listen to you, or is naughty, beat him as you would see fit, to see that he succeeds, as I am myself not educated I want his life in future to be better, than mine” This egg seller’s son later became a school principal in his later life.
In today’s scenario, teachers cannot use corporal punishment on kids as their educated parents will accuse the teacher of child abuse and complain to the MOE. Kids must be psychologically counselled and managed with tender loving care even if they should simply be punished! Undoubtedly we are breeding a generation of horrific brats!

wow, using violence to control kids/to create talent??

"Good job"

OranDe SG

Physical punishments are never the way.

It's not feasible for psychological development. Even if the child grew more educated for being punished, the child will have flaws. Studies have already shown that physical punishments make the students more dumber, not smarter.

Ever heard of "brainless musclemen"?

There're meanings behind it. If the person developed through pain, the child will be developed by narrowing his thoughts into a singular point. This causes the child to be less productive and unable to be creative. He may pass his school but he'll not be a productive worker. Employers seek workers who are able to give selling ideas. Selling ideas are ideas that others never thought about. A child who grew this way will become too practical towards every perceptions.

People can see singaporean males who went through NS. In terms of economy productivity, explain why they are inferior than local females and foreigners. "Pain" may have benefits but it sacrifices many important traits.

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"Pain" creates a follower instead of a creator / talent / genius.

"Physical punishments" & "pain" can never create talent.

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"Pain" can only be used as a mean to control out of conveniences.

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kengkia SG

than how come that fella can become a school principal?

kengkia SG

that being said, is there anyway to reverse the side effects of physical ounishment in an SG male adult?

Summer hill SG

just my 2 cents.

Verbal and pyshical pusiment will not work.

no point. instead, school should adpot "with holding rewards" pushiment. its is so as to teach the child what is right what is wrong, and not to fear pushiment.

my current school is effective in its disciphline, like you never do homework you stay back for 3 hours. (with-holding rewards)

better than my p6 teacher who scream at me everyday and think we should pyschical pushiment.

school is a place to learn, not toture.

OranDe SG

just my 2 cents.

Verbal and pyshical pusiment will not work.

no point. instead, school should adpot "with holding rewards" pushiment. its is so as to teach the child what is right what is wrong, and not to fear pushiment.

my current school is effective in its disciphline, like you never do homework you stay back for 3 hours. (with-holding rewards)

better than my p6 teacher who scream at me everyday and think we should pyschical pushiment.

school is a place to learn, not toture.

I agree with this. Staying-back punishments are more effective. It can be more beneficial when the students do extra paper works during their stay-back period too.

It also helps them to prepare for the future because many jobs have overtime when there're extra workloads.

Summer hill SG

i feel that the child should learn something from the pushiment.

STAY BACK IS EFFECTIVE, because you can let child to practice paper in the time span. you can also remove his rewards of lunch with friends at mac.

TS must be kenna bullied by newbie huh?

OranDe SG

that being said, is there anyway to reverse the side effects of physical ounishment in an SG male adult?

It's possible, but it can be very hard. It's because the brain develop the most between ago of '1 to 21 years old'. After age of 21, the brain is already set. Usually '21-23' is the age where everything in the brain gets very structured.

I read up psychology development books on this before. It's also the reason why children learn and catch up in languages faster than adults after 21. Language is part of creativity line too. After that prime age, everything gets structured and difficult to change.

BabylonPunkette SG

Depends the severity of the result from such behavior. Not all children understand your intention of punishing them.

Say if you have a shy kid or an introvert as your child and he's hardly socialising like a normal kid would do, and he does something unacceptable (e.g. he retaliates when a classmate assaults and you only witnesses the part where your child hits someone and not the prior incident which explains his 'unreasonable behavior'), and you start punishing him by caning him without really caring what he says; you only care about showing him "the consequence".) I wonder such punishment would instill fear in him? Because the fear of you hitting him and wants to avoid a relapse, he would learn not to fight back when his live's being threatened.

I never deny caning is one way to discipline a bad behavior. But how to make sure the one who's administering the caning punishment isn't biased or misinformed in his or her parenting capacity?

Summer hill SG

Depends the severity of the result from such behavior. Not all children understand your intention of punishing them.

I never deny canning is one way to discipline a bad behavior. But how to make sure the one who's administering the canning punishment isn't biased or misinformed in his or her parenting capacity?

using violence to resolve violence is like bombing for peace.

BabylonPunkette SG

Also, depends what punishment you are talking about.

Caning AND slapping on the face - to me - are punishments meant to humiliate the thickest of hide. A young child who doesn't have much life experiences hasn't grown a hide thick enough to receive such treatment, much less to understand your idea of "wrongdoings". You mean to say: to discipline someone "effectively", we use physical punishments? Isn't that's a forced practice much like rote learning this society concentrates on? Physical scars from such administration heal easily, but the scars.. the mental scarring is harder to forget.

mancha SG

Corporal punishment is not to correct the individual.

It is to inject fear to the rest of the group, so that all stay in line.

I.imba SG

Using corporal punishment doesnt means you can educate every child into elites. It is always better to 讲道理 with them.

Thats why diplomacy always come before deterrence.

Bikeforceful SG

I would not say that corporal punishment is absolutely no no. Generally it would be good to reprimand a kid if he is wrong( not reward him) and then explain to him the consequences to others in terms of his misbehaviour. e.g when a child openly shouts and screams and creates a ruckus whilst the lesson is going on distracting other students and acting up smart. He need to be punished. Failing ot do so , will end up this kid growing up thinking the world owes him a living and others must always give allowance to him for all his nonsense!
Oh and by the way scolding a kid harshly for being stubborn or rude is certainly not violence.

Bikeforceful SG

Also, depends what punishment you are talking about.

It depends on the child, not all children should be physcially punished . BUT there are some hardcore youngsters who only understand best when they are given a good thrashing. Better a good thrashing when they are young , then ten strokes of the rotan by Daljit Singh when he is older and commits a crime! Too much molly coddling and you get brats who are really spoilt and absolutely a pain to others in society in later years!

Bikeforceful SG

just my 2 cents.

Verbal and pyshical pusiment will not work.

no point. instead, school should adpot "with holding rewards" pushiment. its is so as to teach the child what is right what is wrong, and not to fear pushiment.

my current school is effective in its disciphline, like you never do homework you stay back for 3 hours. (with-holding rewards)

better than my p6 teacher who scream at me everyday and think we should pyschical pushiment.

school is a place to learn, not toture.

I am sure you had a very understanding English teacher.

Bikeforceful SG

Physical punishments are never the way.

Ever heard of "brainless musclemen"?

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"Pain" creates a follower instead of a creator / talent / genius.

"Physical punishments" & "pain" can never create talent.

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"Pain" can only be used as a mean to control out of conveniences.

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Most of these studies are done in the West- look at the mess in the west these days....socially economically and politically

Summer hill SG

I am sure you had a very understanding English teacher.

yup.

mancha SG

Spare the rod and raise Brat Pitt.