Unneighbourly Neighbours - No help available

last SG · 2010-03-05T21:36:30+00:00

The previous owners sold the place because a similar incident happened between them and the neighbours - ended in court as well. Then they sold the place to...

Durian_bananas SG

Michelle,

Its really hard to say because I am hearing all the story from your side. If I ask the neighbour, I bet they give another side to their story. I am kind of surprised that your husband just want to get it over with an apology. Since your neighbour accused him of punching them, he must have been mad at being wrongly accused. So, did he punched the neighbour? If that is true, that is really bad. Its a charge assault. I mean, no matter how wrong and crazy the neighbour is, never ever physically attack them, that is a criminal assault. But if it never had happened, then its akin to defamation, how could your husband take it? Being accused of something he didn't do and he had to pay a SGD10 fine.

Let it go and let the thing past. I think it is best you move out. You're lucky you don't own the home, so you can rent elsewhere. On the other hand, if I were you, I would appeal the case and I don't want to pay the fine unless of course, I really assaulted the dude. Throwing water at the door is small matter but fisting someone is very serious.

BotaHead SG

wa lau, i see u and ur hubby hor, sibei poor thing leh

go and report police no case, go to court no use, go to the management also cannot do anything. go and bang the wall better lah, knn. still wanna go find MP.

hello, i think the way u use the handle this matter hor, wrong already lah

how can u go pour water at your neighbour door one leh, nabei, even u wanna pour water hor also dont get caught ma.

better go figure a way to end this drama and by not offending ur neighbour lah

there sure got a way to make them be good good and wont disturn u anymore one. go figure lah, use a bit of wisdom.

where there is a will there is a way ma.

haiz

Micheleow SG

Dragg,

When I first seeked lawyers' advice -I wasn't seeking advice to sue them - I was seeking how to break the lease- he told me all about the Joo Chiat saga and that basically we cannot technically break our lease. We could only appeal to the good nature of the landlord. Which didn't work. 3 lawyers told me that same thing.

Durian_bananas,

I can assure you that my hubby didn't attack them. But we have been so worn down by their harassment that we were advised (by the magistrate's office) that if we are unwilling to offer an apology - the process would be prolonged. My hubby was very clear to the magistrate that he is apologizing because he wanted to move on with his life, and leave this awful incident behind. He specifically apologized for going downstairs BUT never apologized for assauting the neighbour nor admitted to it. When the complainants asked for $10K compensation, my husband plainly said no.

I am not on the forum to recite what happened on that day.

I am talking about the justice in this matter. Obviously the complainants are a little nuts, but the police, management, magistrate are condoning their behavior, by tolerating it!

Micheleow SG

wa lau botahead. sorry, no offense bro. But its attitude like yours is exactly what I am complaining about.

So you probably think that if someone is a bully, better not offend them? The more someone bullies, the more you tolerate.

Exactly what those authorities are doing. Don't get involved, don't get into trouble with the couple because they are so unreasonable. Don't create scene, ect...

They quietly sympatheize with us, but just tell us to ta han.

Micheleow SG

Hey Hitman!

Thank you for sharing your experience. Some friends told us to buy marbles and say its the worst to drop them on the floor, but we didn't. Because they are relentless in punishing us in return. A few times, after their knocking spree, we would throw a golf ball across the hall - just once, then we will time how long they knock, then when they stop, we will throw it one more time, and time them again. But, they are tired-less. It can go on for hours! Actually, hats off to them for the persistence. I am utterly amazed at their persistence - can seriously knock for hours and hours! (I am really not kidding) We can even tell the difference between the husband and the wife knocking as one is softer but faster, and the other booms and is more forceful. Many times, I wonder whether they have holes in their ceiling. We considered that it may be them knocking on the wall structure, but the knocking is so loud that we can feel it vibrating under our feet. I mean, you can hear it at B1 throughout the carpark. I mean- when you hear the booming sound, the provokation is so great, I really mean that our feeling is "not again". When we are slightly better, we will just look at each other and say - luckily we are renting. When we are angered - so much like in Dec S&*% happened.

BTW, when they are upset with their current next door neighbour, they will knock on their wall too.

And BTW, they are both around 45 years old and have heaps of religous items at their door, and always saying that they are good christians and God will side them. OMG, I really detest people like that. Don't use God's name in vain.

jojobeach SG

As a landlord myself, I find your story somewhat hoakey.

There's a break lease clause in lease agreements.

I think you are just too cheap to cough up the penalty for a break lease. And is using this "disorderly neighbour" as an excuse.

Personally, I think the people who is really the trouble maker is your family.

I doubt you are the first tenant for the apartment owner. If the previous tenants does not have any problem before, then it's probably your family causing a din. And it is understanable that your neighbour is mad at you.

Hitman~ SG

michel,

their age corresponds to my probklem neighbours living above me too!

they have religious stuff outside their place too.

they knock for hours from around 7am to midnight for hours,,,dropping nuts n bolts to hammering on floorlike some factory.

best you terminate your rent or get the local minister of parliament.or u could get the newspapers or the real life news promgram with diane ser as the host describing neighbours from HELL!...Call TCS,,,they would be glad to stay at yer place and make a story for a week .....from noises to banging to what the MPs can do to legislate such inconsiderate neighbours who will be with u for a decade or more if u dont act now!!

please call TCS if they want to do a story here or pay a visit to your local MP....they are way more effective than some police.

Hitman~ SG

maybe they are the same syndicate trying to make u pay up for peace and quiet at home.i know it because even with a ear muffs thats supposed to cushion noise from an aircraft engine.....i could still hear the hammering going on above me.

Durian_bananas SG

Dragg,

Durian_bananas,

I am not on the forum to recite what happened on that day.

I am talking about the justice in this matter. Obviously the complainants are a little nuts, but the police, management, magistrate are condoning their behavior, by tolerating it!

Then if you are so adamant, appeal against the decision. Don't pay the fine lah, hire the lawyers to fight the case. Accusing your husband of fisting them when it didn't happen (according to you) is tantamount to defamation. The ball's in your court. To think you want to get it over leaves a lot of gaps in your story.

And why do you want to do such a thing, dropping golf balls when you know your neighbour doesn't like such things? You know their hot buttons, so don't go looking for trouble by provoking them. I do not think any rational or irrational people would go to such lengths to taunt you and your husband unless you must have done something to provoke them. If you know they don't like the noise made by you - whether its stamping your feet or dropping golf balls, then don't do it.

Rachel.j.scully SG

Hello Folks!

I'm a multimedia journalist with SPH, Razor TV - and I'm covering a story on Michelle's title: Unneighbourly Neighbours

If any of you are willing to have your grievances addressed, and share your stories with us, please contact me at [email protected]

We would have our informal interview or mini chit-chat session filmed (FYI)

So if you're cool with it, we would be glad to head down to your place to film the intolerable behaviour you've had to put up with.

Sincerely,
Rachel Scully
Multimedia Journalist
SPH, Razor TV
DID: 6319 8102
Email: [email protected]

dragg SG

seek help from the condo management.

Bio-Hawk SG

Saw the movie Bangkok dangerous?

mancha SG

seek help from the condo management.

The condo's council hire the management team to do their job for them.

The management team's job primarily is to maintain the common areas and administer the strata titles. They have their hands full, taking care of defects, cleanliness, security and the smooth running of the condo, and also taking care of the accounts and money of the condo. To keep cost down, the team is kept at the minimal.

Disputes between neighbours are personal matters between them, the management would be wise not to get involved in the feud. Anyway the management team has no clout, and are looked upon as slaves by the residents. The most helpful thing they can do is to provide the warring parties the address of an arbitrator.

Genie99a SG

Yesterday was the mediation session, and during the hearing in front of the magistrate, my husband wanted to offer a quick apology and head off and leave this unpleasant incident behind. However, both husband and wife were constantly shouting and threw ridiculous accusations at my husband - demanding that they wanted $10K compensation, and that we never made noise again. They claimed that we had parties every night until 5am, to which my husband calmly denied. The magistrate had to remind the couple a few times not to interrupt and to not speak to my husband directly. At the end, he asked my husband whether he was willing to offer an apology. My husband was willing to apologize nonetheless because he wanted this whole incident to be forgotten. The magistrate also told my husband that he was liable for the maximum jail time of 1 year and/or $3000 fine. I was waiting for my husband in the car and when he finally joined me, he was shaken. I went into the surbodinate court reception and clarified what happened. The lady at the reception was very kind and went to the magistrate and clarified before returning to me and now said that they have turned and wanted my particulars for mediation. My question is - just because we are not the complianants does not mean we are not the victims. The magistrate only asked my husband to apologize and whether my husband was willing to compensate them $10K. He did not ask the husband who had kicked my husband - a fact presented to the magistrate beforehand whether HE wanted to apologize. Both husband and wife claimed that they were traumatized - by their yelling and threatening - does the magistrate not recognize that traumatized people do not act this way??? Does the magistrate not recognise that this couple are the nuisance??? We do not want any apology and just want to live out our lease in peace. When I say in ..........

Re underlined sentences....

1. You believe you never did wrong... so don't apologize... to do that = guilty be it partial or not. It is after all a court.

2. When they send lawyer letter to you. They incur cost. Ignore the first one let them send you one more then do a response. The more letter they send the more $ they spend.

Tips fer free.

Kind Regards

Genie

4sg SG

Micheleow

I quote from your second paragraph: "At the beginning, neighbour wife send the security over to our home on a daily basis - up to 5 times a day. And I mean EVERY SINGLE DAY. During this tme, we got very upset to the point that we gave our name cards to the security office, because we wanted to call us directly instead of sending security to our home while we were at work. She would constantly come to our home and insulted our guests (children) as they came over or were leaving our home. She constantly spied at our place."

Why did she, in the beginning, send the security over to your house 5 times a day? I find these statements puzzling. Can you say why? You have not told us the reason.

In your third paragraph, you said "Wife will complain about children playing quietly 200 m from her doorstep in mid afternoon, demanding that people do not talk at the lift landing, which is at least 75m from her door in daytime. She has complained against us making noise when there was no one home, and by unbearable noise, means accidentally dropping a remote control - when my baby was learning to crawl and hit his head on the floor - and by my now toddler running across the hall."

My understanding from your statements here and there and putting together the overall picture is that your neighbour complained about you and your family because of noise. Am I correct about that?

Here, I am not placing a judgement of who is right or wrong. Just trying to understand your situation better.

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