Tenancy Agreement‏

rqin SG

I would like to find out from you. I had download tenancy agreement, did not endorsed by IRAS.
Does the tenant(s) need not to follow all clauses stated in the tenancy agreement?

I have a tenant, Shanghai lady moving out on this Thursday 25 March 2010.
When I asked from her to compensate me equal to 1 month rental, she told me she could not do so.
Can I sue her from breaching the tenancy agreement, ask her to compensate me equal to 1 month rental?
and also because of she changed her mind now and then on the moved out date, I have kept record of her sms.

Can I use it as proof to sue her for breaching the tenancy agreement?

Can I sue her for defamation or slander me in 1 of her sms in mandarin chinese sent to me?
She wrote in her sms that I am insane 疯子 when she changed her mind on the moved out date in her sms.

Can I be sue by her when I replied her sms in mandarin chinese, in sms called her 臭三八死八婆猪脑袋？

I feel troubled.

Thanks

rqin SG

below is the sms between me & the shanghai lady called Tao Ke, I sms her in mandarin she claimed that I twist here & there which is not true because she is the one who is doing that.

From: me
Time: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:28am
贱女人，今天你没有交房租我是有权利的！合约没注明1号交！笨拙！

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:18pm
我现在告诉你！我的新房客，要量房间的measurement放她的橱。要进房间了！另一张床我须要整理那木板，把你的东西放在你的床！

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:15pm
我现在告诉你！我的新房客，要量房间的measurement放她的橱。要进房间！另一张床我整理，把你的东西放在你的床！

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:01pm
给我收据我不会少你一分!

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:00pm
是吗要不要找个律师来问问你有没有权力?有损坏在我离开之前我会赔给你在我还住在里面一天你就不能没经过我允许就进来

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:59pm
臭三八，收据我会给你。没给我房租钱也免谈！

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:57pm
妈的！你威胁我！这是我的房子，我有权利检查我的房间有没有任何损坏！

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:56pm
我为什么要相信你你是哪种人我已经见识过了给我收据别的免谈

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:49pm
臭三八，我不是亲口跟你说过会给你。他妈的你烦不烦

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:48pm
臭三八，我不是亲

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:42pm
我不想吵了随你怎么说给我收据我给你350 不给我收据我一号只给你282 你自己选吧还有你再没有经过我同意就进来我房间我就叫警察

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:31pm
神经婆！你也别以为你自己是什么！我的儿子／我家人或任何人没有义务帮你做事-帮你关你的房门！我们没有欠你地，也不是你的佣人！

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:20pm
神经婆！你转简讯说你明天就搬走，没有问我可以还是不可以！神经婆！

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:17pm
你自己神经婆我可以给你三百五但你要给我单据只要我保持房间干净就要退还剩余的钱!

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:15pm
是你不讲道理！神经婆！！

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:14pm
神经婆，你给我350

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:13pm
你简直有病我是跟你说我可以明天就搬走你说不可以不就好了我也不可能硬硬要搬走你不退我钱可以我不会给你350 我只会给你282 你以为你是谁啊要去法庭是吗可以你非要不讲理就只能上法庭

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:05pm
你自己转给我简讯！神经病！疯婆子！一下说要住到3月25日，又一会说要明天搬！我不会还你剩余的钱！你以为一会儿改变你的注意，你不会应该感到歉意！

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 4:52pm
我为什么要给你钱我不搬我就住到25号你昨天给我的纸已经写了不是么你刚才自己也说了

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:59pm
你自己说明天搬就搬，还我新币282.25就是了！！

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:58pm
你神经病幼稚！第一是你自己说住到25号，今天你又说明天搬。

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:37pm
你自己才疯子你动不动就叫我法庭见那现在就列条约咯我没有那么多钱给你扣你对我有什么要求就讲明白除了每天要倒垃圾请问还有别的吗?

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:34pm
疯子

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:33pm
懒得跟你吵麻烦你给我一个单据列明你对我房间整洁度有哪些要求只要我做到这些你就必须把剩于的钱退给我谢谢

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:49pm
你那么想让我住我就住到下个月准准25号!

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 2:15pm
对你这讲不听的连极本该做的，你的语气和态度不须要对你礼貌！

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 2:06pm
我会住到准准25号你开一个单关于退我剩下的钱还有麻烦你在进我房间之前先问过我你随便进入别人的房间非常没礼貌!!

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:13pm
你没住到3月25日就搬，你明天必须还我新币$282.25 若你没有还我钱那法庭见！你签了termination of rental agreement说明住到3月25日没律行我是可以告你！

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:06pm
我没这样说过！你这人有没有打扫，只有你自己知道！别以小人之心妒君子之腹！极本把房间整理好点你都没有做到！你提出明天搬就得还我新币282.25!

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:00pm
你的意思是你没经过我的允许进我的房间还是很对的了!!

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:58pm
我不会拿别人的钱

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:51pm
我现在也警告你倒垃圾谁都有忘记的时候不要因为你是房东就以为可以开门进我的房间我也有交房租!!! 我的房间里有很多现金到时候少钱什么的大家都说不清楚!

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:27pm
你没住到3月25日就搬，你明天必须还我新币$282.25 (新币$350 除于1个月= 新币$11.29 x 25天 1号至25号3月 = 新币$282.25)

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:26pm
要退还给我剩下的钱的数目麻烦你给我一个单

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:25pm
你的垃圾没拿出去倒掉，有吃完的香蕉皮弄房间臭！别忘了你说过你自己是个干净的人，我看未必！

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:17pm
你所谓清洁是什么标准

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:47am
你没住到3月25日就搬，你必须还我新币$282.25 (新币$350 除于1个月= 新币$11.29 x 25天 1号至25号3月 = 新币$282.25)

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:27am
我会帮你打扫干净到你满意为止不过我已经找到房子我这个拜天就可以搬走

From: me
Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:07am
我警告你，在这期间至到你搬出的日期。若你没有保持你住的房间清净你房间的垃圾没清理，我是不会退还你剩下的几天钱！

From: me
Time: Thursday, February 25, 2010 10:41am
S$350 处于31天(等于一个月) = S$11.29 x 6天退回你的钱= S$67.74 + S$300押金 = 总结S$367.74

From: me
Time: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:00pm
小姐，我找到人但她希望一个人住而且她肯付一个人的租房钱。所以抱歉，你只好搬到别地方。我会还给你押金新币300，请你在3月24日搬出去。

From: me
Time: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:26pm
请问你是不是很久没有打扫你的房间？！你的东西怎么放在另一张床？！地上怎么脏。根本不像人住的地方。而且今晚有人来看房间。

From: me
Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:55pm
是喔？随便你怎么说吧。

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:35pm
我选择一还有我没有装模作样!

From: me
Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:49pm
'seenhui我不搬了咳我刚给那个房东给气哭了' 这是你发出的简迅吧！装模作样！现在我给你两个选择1是住到我找到人做你的房客-就是与你一起租房的意思。2是你在3月1日搬走因为这是你提出地;在你发给我的简迅里。2月的房租钱照例给我新币350，并且赔偿我1个月的房租钱若你无法律行租约里所注明的话; 就用你的押金新币300来赔偿我1个月的房租钱。不然我们法庭上见。

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:18am
seenhui我不搬了咳我刚给那个房东给气哭了

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:58am
你可以一次性把话说清楚别改来改去Ok??

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:57am
什么意思?

From: me
Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:56am
小姐，我事先生明若有人想租但不是想跟你同租房间的话就另当别论了。

From: me
Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:05am
小姐，是没有人联络我关于租房间的事。若你在3月1日搬走; 你现在是给我1个月的通知是吗？你别忘了租约说明，若没住满1年的话; 而你提出搬走须要陪我等于1个月的租房钱。

From: Tao Ke
Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 9:57am
Jenny 我今天会去看房子如果适合我会跟对方确定这样Ok吗? 因为这个月也已经30号了再不找就很难找到合适的了不过你放心我会在3月1号才搬走 2月1日我也会准时交给你350块房租我现在先事先通知你你可以找两个新房客进来住了谢谢不好意思打扰了

jojobeach SG

Your tenant is indeed very rude.. but you are also a very lousy landlord, how could you insult her ?

Both of you epic fail.

As a landlord, we do not intrude into our tenant's privacy. That is a given.

As long as she pays for the month and gave you notice according to the rental agreement, it doesn't matter when she moved out. I don't know why you have to insist she stay till end of march.

I had tenants who paid for the month but moved out early to mid month.. but I never penalize them, because they had either found a better place to stay or they are not happy living at your home.

As landlords, we should not abuse our authority and treat them like they owe us a living.

You must remember.. your home is not a ZOO, and you are not a zoo keeper.

The tenant is your CUSTOMER, because they are PAYING YOU.

rqin SG

but don't forget the tenancy agreement she signed, if she didnt stay till expiry of the tenancy agreement she will have to compensate me which she claimed she don't have money.

further more she is the 1 who said in the 1st place move out on 25 March 2010, and she is the one who changed her mind think that by sms me informed that she moved out on Sunday 28 February 2010.

Thank you.

jojobeach SG

but don't forget the tenancy agreement she signed, if she didnt stay till expiry of the tenancy agreement she will have to compensate me which she claimed she don't have money.

further more she is the 1 who said in the 1st place move out on 25 March 2010, and she is the one who changed her mind think that by sms me informed that she moved out on Sunday 28 February 2010.

Thank you.

There are other means of resolving this kind of conflict.

I usually explain to my tenants why they had to pay if they break lease early.

The penalty is not really to PENALISE, rather to cover the cost and inconvenience of finding a new tenant. Advertisement cost, agents commission, and showing the rental unit.

If she does not wish to pay the "penalty", then tell her to get a new tenant for you. Once you have the new tenant signed up, you can release her immediately.

Your tenant is a foreigner, all the more you should be more understanding, she doesn't know the local rules as well as we do.

Trading insults add to nothing. Two parties get frustrated, and left with a bitter after taste.

An agreement is done between both parties so that no misunderstanding arise that will result in excess conflict and unhappiness.

While it is legal binding, you should not use it to INTIMIDATE the other party.

rqin SG

before she moved in, claimed that she keep the place clean which turn out otherwise.

If you think I'm at fault, as a landlord can not tell her to keep the place clean & have to close both my eyes that is up to other people but not me.

I had told her personally, and what did I get? arrogant expression which was shown to me, is ok lor whatever you said.

beside the Shanghai gal, I've other tenant a Malaysian couple the lady told me that she caught the Shanghai gal didnt keep the common bath room clean.

which I asked the Shanghai gal, she deny it and claimed that she kept it clean which I caught her red handed too.

If I abuse my authority as landlord, I would be like 1 of the asiaone news online article - 1 china tennat chased out by landlord. I obliged to the tenancy agreement, now you highlight to me who is not obliged to the tenancy agreement. Then what the use of the tenancy agreement since Shanghai gal had sighed.

I can't image if I didn't have the tenancy agreement it could be more worse.

Thank you.

jojobeach SG

but given the quarrel you had with your current tenant.. I doubt she would want to recommend anyone she know personally to your house.

Friends don't send another friend into hell.

jojobeach SG

before she moved in, claimed that she keep the place clean which turn out otherwise.

If you think I'm at fault, as a landlord can not tell her to keep the place clean & have to close both my eyes that is up to other people but not me.

I had told her personally, and what did I get? arrogant expression which was shown to me, is ok lor whatever you said.

beside the Shanghai gal, I've other tenant a Malaysian couple the lady told me that she caught the Shanghai gal didnt keep the common bath room clean.

which I asked the Shanghai gal, she deny it and claimed that she kept it clean which I caught her red handed too.

I can't image if I didn't have the tenancy agreement it could be more worse.

Thank you.

Cleanliness is subjective. To her.. it's already clean, to some it's not.

Coming from Shanghai, their hygiene level is very different from a Singaporean and Malaysian. I've been there before.. I know how "unhygienic" they are.

Just make a note that you will no longer accept Shanghainese in the future. You choose your tenants.

When you rent out to several different individuals or family, you should consider having a cleaner come in at shared cost. That way, it helps to reduce conflict with regards to shared amenities or common areas.

As for her, the attitude will get her booted out anywhere she goes. That's her problem.

rqin SG

I don't need them to recommend anyone to my place, I had encounter people recommend from her.

Either stay for 1 month or 3 months, which I had clearly told her prefer look for tenant stay for 1 year.

FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I'm a human being.

For the Malaysian couple, before they moved in & they agreed to keep the place clean.

This is the basic requirement that I ask from my tennat, keep the place clean.

Unless you're telling me that is ok for tenant to dirty the place, I told them to keep their room clean is all that I asked. Rest of the areas like living room; kitchen area & 2 bath rooms I'm the 1 who clean it.

If you disagree with me, by all means any good suggestion from you are welcome.

Bless you, in the near future that you don't rent out any rooms to such people or encounter such people.

Thank you.

Poignant SG

woah, damn long.

imo, i find you the one who's more rude.

sometimes, dont need follow law by law one mah.

rqin SG

jojobeach

This will be my 1st & last time I'm renting out room to China people

jojobeach SG

I don't need them to recommend anyone to my place, I had encounter people recommend from her.

Either stay for 1 month or 3 months, which I had clearly told her prefer look for tenant stay for 1 year.

FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I'm a human being.

For the Malaysian couple, before they moved in & they agreed to keep the place clean.

This is the basic requirement that I ask from my tennat, keep the place clean.

If you disagree with me, by all means any good suggestion from you are welcome.

Bless you, in the near future that you don't rent out any rooms to such people or encounter such people.

Thank you.

I had my fair share of lousy tenants. Some whom trashed my place for no apparent reason.

But fighting with my tenants don't do any good.

A good and loyal tenant is hard to come by. When I get one, I try my best to keep them.

The bad ones.. I let them go. I rather forgo that "peanut penalty" , it's not worth it , really.

DO you feel happy when you get the extra one month through intimidation ? If it's such a big deal to you.. then by all means... do what you must so that you attain happiness.

rqin SG

Poignant

Only happen to other people, I give more than I take from people.

It's ok, bless you that you don't complain when you encounter them.

good luck.

jojobeach

you can say that, wait till if you don't have tenancy agreement they will walk over you.

jojobeach SG

Poignant

Only happen to other people, I give more than I take from people.

It's ok, bless you that you don't complain when you encounter them.

good luck.

jojobeach

you can say that, wait till if you don't have tenancy agreement they will walk over you.

no tenancy agreement ? Then it is my fault for letting that happen.

Whats the point of keeping someone you don't like and don't want to keep , living under your roof, just because you have an agreeement ?

Are you a prison warden ? seriously girl..

Lets face it lah.. you are just eyeing that extra $300 yes ? Then pity that lady.. renting from a greedy person like you.

rqin SG

jojobeach

then tell what the use of the agreement? who ever - tenant or landlord sign should oblige it right?

anyway just consider myself unluck to have such tenant from Mars.

rqin SG

jojobeach

up to you claimed that I'm a greedy person.

I just stand by my firm that's all I can say.

Thanks for all the comments.

noahnoah SG

if agreement not endorsed by IRAS

sorry ..under the eye of law

is not vaild at all

Want to save stamp fee

but want the court to step a leg in

NO free lunch in this world

rqin SG

noahnoah

Thanks I got it loud & clear.

jojobeach SG

if agreement not endorsed by IRAS

sorry ..under the eye of law

is not vaild at all

Want to save stamp fee

but want the court to step a leg in

NO free lunch in this world

What do you expect from a cheapskate landlord ?

I pity the shanghai tenant.. if only she knew...

rqin SG

you want her hp number?

ya ya, anymore?