Tri-door MAN Lion City at SITEC 2016

last SG · 2016-10-30T00:17:30+00:00

And the moment when you realize that every single new SD introduced into the next decade is this same model...Idm! Not if the SD is a nice tri-door MAN and n...

carbikebus SG

Well the B9TL is indeed more versatile. It is available in 2 and 3 axle versions which the Enviro 500 can't, ADL knows it cannot provide for both markets with the same product and hence they had to have two different products, one a 2 axle with a transversely mounted engine, called the Enviro 400, and the other, the 3 axle Enviro 500 with a longidutinally mounted engine. The B9TL however, has the same transverse engine arrangement at the back for both the 2 and 3 axle versions.

So Volvo basically has 1 product that covers what ADL needs 2 products to cover, just shows you how versatile the B9TL is.

Volvo need more power and torque to compete with E500 340hp/1500nm & A95 320hp/1600nm..

TIB429E SG

Frankly speaking, there is no need for 3 doors SD. Less seatings n the last door won't benefit much ppl. Ppl seated near the middle door will likely to exit from the middle exit. No of standees at the rear is usually less than 10. N that step is so high. (Look similar to those private PPSS or CDS buses). You won't be able to exit fast also because of the high steps

DD with 3rd door will be fine though.

I don't think the reason of adding a 3rd door on SD is to allow fast alighting, but rather drawing the people to move to the rear.

But nevertheless, I think if LTA would to introduce more Low Entry buses, there won't be much issue.

TIB429E SG

I think so far, the best interior is still the Dennis Lance. Flat and simple(no steep slope bla bla). Sadly it's not wheelchair accessible.

sgbuses SG

I think so far, the best interior is still the Dennis Lance. Flat and simple(no steep slope bla bla). Sadly it's not wheelchair accessible.

There is the Lance SLF.

But ADL had another SD product which could have really satisifed the 3 door requirement. Unfortunately it was 2003 and the bus was too ahead of its time (13 years to be precise):

http://autonews.uk.com/the-bus-that-never-was/

Interior: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-q6xSY1gm-jw/UXTU4Dmu96I/AAAAAAAABq4/58zgdxRbQz0/s1600/P1060417.JPG

I am not sure if ADL is willing to revive this idea but this will give ADL a fighting chance against STK/MAN/GML if LTA decides to combine the production SD and DD three door bus tender.

carbikebus SG

STK MAN easily can win this can contract.

MAN should design 3 doors SD with 12.2m chassis..Rear just add 1 step..No need to make so high like coach...I welcome three door SD with more than 12m.

SMB128B SG

Didnt know that LTA was actl so interested in the tri-door A22, that they trialled it tgt with the A95

I hope this bus gets deployed on high-demand short haul e.g. 913

carbikebus SG

Didnt know that LTA was actl so interested in the tri-door A22, that they trialled it tgt with the A95

I hope this bus gets deployed on high-demand short haul e.g. 913

What about Volvo B8L 12.8m 3 doors and MB Citaro 3 doors with no PIS and SBST colour scheme?đ¤Ł

SMB128B SG

What about Volvo B8L 12.8m 3 doors and MB Citaro 3 doors with no PIS and SBST colour scheme?ď¤Ł

Very funny hor

lemon1974 SG

seem to have only 27 seats compare to 35/38 for normal A22 and out of these 27 seats, around 10 are priority seats...

lemon1974 SG

Didnt know that LTA was actl so interested in the tri-door A22, that they trialled it tgt with the A95

I hope this bus gets deployed on high-demand short haul e.g. 913

913? so deploying one bus every one minute?

TIB868X SG

Didnt know that LTA was actl so interested in the tri-door A22, that they trialled it tgt with the A95

I hope this bus gets deployed on high-demand short haul e.g. 913

LTA said that they would evaluate both the buses on routes that pass by both the city and residential areas.

I find this perplexing. There is still time but they should also evaluate both of these buses on feeders and intratowns/town links, since these buses are likely to substitute bendy buses in the long term.

It is a waste of time and money if they test these two buses on routes like 143 and 190 where normal 2 door buses work well. It is the feeders and intra towns/townlinks that are more in need of these!

SMB145B SG

190 always gets these new buses. Even A22s and A24s.

TIB987K SG

Didnt know that LTA was actl so interested in the tri-door A22, that they trialled it tgt with the A95

I hope this bus gets deployed on high-demand short haul e.g. 913

Try deploy on 913 during morning peak hour ... see how useless/useful the bus is ...

lemon1974 SG

Try deploy on 913 during morning peak hour ... see how useless/useful the bus is ...

whether it is useful for those paxes alighing at admiralty mrt station, we shall wait and see.

but we can see the no of paxes left behind at the previous bus stops...when such 3 door A22 are deploy on 913/903/912 etc etc...

Selong Lee SG

Nice one !

carbikebus SG

whether it is useful for those paxes alighing at admiralty mrt station, we shall wait and see.

but we can see the no of paxes left behind at the previous bus stops...when such 3 door A22 are deploy on 913/903/912 etc etc...

Can just install 10 priority seats then others is standing area,Can ask STK to provide mat for senior citizens...Wakakaka

lemon1974 SG

accordingly to news report, seating capacity of this 3 door A22 is 24 only.. plus another 66 standees capacity.. current A22 is 35 seat....

whether it can squeeze 66 standees is another issue..

carbikebus SG

Do you guys think that LTA will purchase the 3 doors A22 in future?

randomguy10 SG

Do you guys think that LTA will purchase the 3 doors A22 in future?

I dont think the 12m SD 3 Door trial will be successful. The ratio of seating passengers to standing passengers is too small. One bad thing about bendies was that it's high capacity involves more standing capacity than seating capcity.

3 Door DD could help improve the efficiency and layover time and also be able to provide more seating capacity so it is kind of best of both world. SO I think this one will succeed. Only down side is the need to go up and come down, which may not be the best for our aging population especially for short distance commutes. But for trunk routes, this bus will be very good to improve passenger flow.

Feeder best option imo will still be a mix of 18m 3door buses and 12m 2door SD. 12m 3door DD mixed with 12m 2door SD will be next best option.

For trunks, 12m 3door DD mixed with 12m 2door SD is good. With more MRT connections, i believe DDs can compensate abit of capacity to have an extra staircase to speed up layover times. Eventually Singapore can work towards 3Door DD fleet

Formususeonly SG

Feeder best option imo will still be a mix of 18m 3door buses and 12m 2door SD. 12m 3door DD mixed with 12m 2door SD will be next best option.

Let me remind you what LTA wants to achieve - BETTER WAITING TIME . What this means is that LTA will tend to favour buses with more doors to let more passengers to disembark more quickly than before . Number of seats ? Yeah they count too but LTA main priority is WAITING TIME . The faster the passenger get out of the bus the faster the bus leaves the bus stop and picks up more passenger .

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