SMRT trials MAN double-decker bus

last SG · 2014-09-28T10:05:57+00:00

Now we knew why SMRT only orders 101 Alexander Dennis Enviro 500.I guaranteed this will be a sucessful trial and probably they will order at least 150 units...

AntiDennisLance SG

But how many trips during peak, and are you able to get enough loading for the rest of the trips to justify DDs? No, because outside peak, it is relatively empty. What 167 and 980 needs is firstly, a staggered arrival timing (they come together, always) and secondly, higher frequencies using single deckers, it will be more beneficial to passengers this way as they will have a shorter waiting time AND more seats. Putting DDs will only give you the latter, not the former.

But in the same vein, you can actually see a lot of empty DD's on 190, 972 and 960 during off peak also. They dont actually need DD's in the town-going direction after AM peak especially after the opening of DTL in Bt Panjang. At 6pm at the junction of Steven Road and Bt Timah Rd, town-going DD's on 190, 700, 960 and 972 are all practically seen to be empty.

TIB 585L SG

If like dat those JIS also should have the same mindset haha

SBS351M SG

The difference is, the frequencies for 190 and 972 are a lot better than 167 and 980, meaning that 190 and 972 despite having high frequencies, require DDs. Wouldn't it better to increase the frequency for 167 and 980 first before adding a DD?

TIB 585L SG

The difference is, the frequencies for 190 and 972 are a lot better than 167 and 980. Wouldn't it better to increase the frequency first before adding a DD?

Like spamming SDs like how those feeders are doing right now

AntiDennisLance SG

If like dat those JIS also should have the same mindset haha

Yes.. so comparing apple to apple (i.e. pax loading patterns), either some services are over pampered, or that the other set the services are starved, whichever way you look at it.

SBS351M SG

Like spamming SDs like how those feeders are doing right now

Feeders require high frequencies due to the nature of the hub and spoke system, if there is a train arriving every 2 to 6 mins, thats a lot of people to clear.

TIB 585L SG

Feeders require high frequencies due to the nature of the hub and spoke system, if there is a train arriving every 2 to 6 mins, thats a lot of people to clear.

Yeah lately it is so high that bunching occurs and also the back bus is like miles away. Improve frequency to the max

SBS351M SG

Yes.. so comparing apple to apple (i.e. pax loading patterns), either some services are over pampered, or that the other set the services are starved, whichever way you look at it.

I believe the planners at LTA have the loading numbers to justify why DDs are on certain services and why they aren't on others. If the numbers had been convincing enough, they would had put DDs since 1st Sep.

AntiDennisLance SG

I see your logic. But 190 and 972 are becoming more and more empty especially during off peak hour and in the opposite direction even during peak hour. So perhaps, it can reduce the number of DD's as well as AP trips and only spam SD's in the "correct" direction during peak hours to tank the load as you suggested for 167 and 980?

carbikebus SG

SMRT case not enough DDs

carbikebus SG

Both cash cow svc

SBS351M SG

Yeah lately it is so high that bunching occurs and also the back bus is like miles away. Improve frequency to the max

Thats an operational issue though. And that is for feeder services with high scheduled frequencies, they are different from the issues 167 and 980 faces, which runs at lower frequencies. Wouldn't it be better for pax to wait for a shorter period than the scheduled 16-17 min freq during PM peak for 980 as an example?

SBS351M SG

You have also to remember that during off peak, 190 and 972 have a significant "feeder" portion within CCK/BPJ that justifies the use of high capacity buses, while 167 and 980 have in comparison relatively lower loads between Chong Pang and Sembawang. And as observed by a lot of people, 960 has been downgraded with A22s replacing DDs.

AntiDennisLance SG

Can simply intro some service to cover those "feeder" part of 190 and 972 during off peak. Like a 190A or 972B. Then spam them with SD's

SBS351M SG

Can simply intro some service to cover those "feeder" part of 190 and 972 during off peak. Like a 190A or 972B. Then spam them with SD's

That will waste even more resources, those resources that could potentially be used to help residents in Sembawang or Yishun get better links by having new services or better frequencies by having fleet additions.

carbikebus SG

Maybe for a start 167 & 980 should add 2 more buses?

SBS3004X SG

Just use the split shift SDs from 307.

AntiDennisLance SG

Just use the split shift SDs from 307.

Agreed. It wont be waste of resources. It will be efficient utilisation, and those DD's taken out from 190 and 972 can be used on 167 and 980 :)

carbikebus SG

Agreed. It wont be waste of resources. It will be efficient utilisation, and those DD's taken out from 190 and 972 can be used on 167 and 980 :)

190 and 972 please don't touch,The service paxs loadings in a day can cover the bus fuel & BC salary for 2-3 days.

SBS351M SG

Agreed. It wont be waste of resources. It will be efficient utilisation, and those DD's taken out from 190 and 972 can be used on 167 and 980 :)

Then how about 190 and 972 during peak if those buses go to 167 and 980? And I assume you will want the current 16-17 min PM peak frequency for 980 just because you think "bigger is better"?

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