SMRT trials MAN double-decker bus

last SG · 2014-09-28T10:05:57+00:00

Now we knew why SMRT only orders 101 Alexander Dennis Enviro 500.I guaranteed this will be a sucessful trial and probably they will order at least 150 units...

TIB429E SG

I feel the MAN DD is the best of all the DDs we have seen operating in SG now. Good speed, smooth, nice design, comfortable seats, good capacity.

Hope mileage is good and maintenance is less so that trial is success and SMRT orders more of these.

I think it's the quietest DD ever, when compared to 7777Y, Wrights & ADL during their first day of svc. Not sure about the KUD..

SMB128B SG

I think it's the quietest DD ever, when compared to 7777Y, Wrights & ADL during their first day of svc. Not sure about the KUD..

The B9TL are just... Haiz

ADL is coz SG used ZF so wouldnt be as quiet

Even its fellow A22 wins all other SDs in terms of noise, or at least all the WAB SDs

A Bus Observer SG

I feel the MAN DD is the best of all the DDs we have seen operating in SG now. Good speed, smooth, nice design, comfortable seats, good capacity.

Hope mileage is good and maintenance is less so that trial is success and SMRT orders more of these.

Regarding the seats, I hope they change it to vogelsitze. I would say 80% chance SMRT will order, coz they hv been buying from MAN. In fact, maybe SMRT had ordered but haven't reveal it to public.

TIB1234T SG

But i have to say, first time sitting on the New City seats, wow, their ergonomic was quite excellent, more comfortable for the back probably due to bigger width design and the curves... Their ergonomic design are close to Citaro's seats...

23ispolo SG

I think I will still be faithful to the Enviros and Wrights... Too many MANs on the road. Only problem with the Enviros imo is the lack of legroom over the rear axles, while some the Wrights are getting noisy. Otherwise, these two models are comfortable, especially with ZF for the first 150 Wrights. I admit that the ZF Wrights are slightly jerkier than the Enviros and probably the MANs, but I prefer the engine tune for them. Enviros re okay, but a lot of turbo whistle... MAN A95 sounds so much like MAN A22.

Powered_By_CNG SG

Judging by the videos that I have seen, the ND 363 looks to be an amazingly smooth and powerful chassis. The gearbox looks to be in a performance setting too which further adds to the enjoyment factor...

carbikebus SG

I would choose the A95 DD over B9TL anytime,2nd choice will be the Enviro 500.The only thing i dont like A22 is their bodywork plus that hybrid copycat lion hair..Im not suprised if Daimler also began to custom made DD to SBST based on the new 10700cc 350hp Citaro engine

carbikebus SG

SMRT should order another 150 units more to complement the 201 Enviros..The A24 should order another 80 units more beside the initial 40 units exclusively for 176,962,964 and feeders svc.

TIB429E SG

SMRT should order another 150 units more to complement the 201 Enviros..The A24 should order another 80 units more beside the initial 40 units exclusively for 176,962,964 and feeders svc.

I think SMRT should order 100 more ADL ; 150 MAN A95. Then probably around 120 A24s. No more A22 pls..

carbikebus SG

I think SMRT should order 100 more ADL ; 150 MAN A95. Then probably around 120 A24s. No more A22 pls..

Agreed though i dont really mind if they bought 200 A95s with tree guard and 50 more E500s..A22 orders should be stopped..Buy another 70 units of the new 18.290(7 litre version) is enough

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Agreed though i dont really mind if they bought 200 A95s with tree guard and 50 more E500s..A22 orders should be stopped..Buy another 70 units of the new 18.290(7 litre version) is enough

Why? Do you understand that the 10.5-litre engine provides amazing driveability and represents as near as makes no difference to no fuel consumption penalty compared to the 6.9-litre engine?

A larger engine working less hard lasts longer too!

carbikebus SG

Just to complement the MAN city bus family,So SMRT making a mistake buying the 6.34 litre Citaros?

Jayden987 SG

whats the full capcity of MAN A95

Powered_By_CNG SG

Just to complement the MAN city bus family,So SMRT making a mistake buying the 6.34 litre Citaros?

Why? The D08-series engines are comletely torqueless at low engine speeds even compared to similarly-sized Mercedes-Benz engines (i.e. 900-series). Why burden drivers with additional stress when a large, lazy, effortless engine is available with no significant disadvantages?

carbikebus SG

So why the Citaro 6.4 litre engine is more better than the MAN 6.9litre engine?Is it because of the Merc chassis is more lighter than the MAN?How about Scania N280UB or VDL 9 litre engine?

Bus Stopping SG

So why the Citaro 6.4 litre engine is more better than the MAN 6.9litre engine?Is it because of the Merc chassis is more lighter than the MAN?How about Scania N280UB or VDL 9 litre engine?

The torque curves are available online, just do some comparison.

carbikebus SG

1120 vs 1100nm?

Powered_By_CNG SG

The torque curves are available online, just do some comparison.

There's always more to it than full-load performance curves. The MAN D08-series uses EGR only to control NOx out emissions. Aside from the 20Nm peak torque shortfall compared to the SCR-only MB OM 906 (h)LA, due to the lower efficiency of EGR at controlling NOx, the manufacturer needed to carefully consider how the shape of the performance curves would affect emissions on the test cycles. The final nominal performance curves is the result.

And on top of all this, the full-load performance curves do not show how the engines behave at partial throttle. In this case, the freer-breathing Mercedes-Benz engine (due to absence of EGR) would clearly win.

carbikebus SG

Hmm great explanation,Basically same thing like a Vios 1.5 with 107hp/141nm 1080kg win hands down on acceleration with Kia Forte 1.6 123hp/154nm 1220kg?

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Hmm great explanation,Basically same thing like a Vios 1.5 with 107hp/141nm 1080kg win hands down on acceleration with Kia Forte 1.6 123hp/154nm 1220kg?

There are so many variables. You have the gearbox and its ratios, the driving axle and final drive ratio, weight, aerodynamics of the bodywork, calibration of the engine, turbocharger specification and even driving style that could easily make the difference. And that's before you even consider things such as ambient temperature and humidity (engines run better on cool, dry days) and the state of consumable items such as air and fuel filters, conditions of the fuel injectors, turbocharger and so on.

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