Joo Koon Bus Interchange

last SG · 2014-03-03T22:34:25+00:00

Huh 187 also serve industrial areas meh? :x >< I don't know - which industrial area does it serve?

jurongresident SG

Instead of just additional trips, I think SWT 258A from Boon Lay to Pioneer MRT and downroutes from Pioneer MRT to Boon Lay are more likely.

Have been taking bus service 258 to Pioneer MRT Station at around 7am-8am, for two days now. Apparently, most people who take bus service 258 towards Pioneer MRT Station do not alight at Pioneer MRT Station. They take it to Upper Jurong Road, and possibly to Joo Koon Bus Interchange.

The former is to the industrial buildings and SAFTI, along Upper Jurong Road. The latter is to get empty seats on the MRT.

When the other bus services are amended to Joo Koon Bus Interchange, I expect the people who stay in Jurong West (Pioneer & Gek Poh) and work at Jurong Industrial Estate and Tuas to make the switch to take bus service 258.

I think they have data from way before November 2015 which suggests that a lot of people take bus from that residential area in Jurong West (Pioneer & Gek Poh) to the industrial areas in Jurong and Tuas. That's why they created this bus service 258.

This may be the reason why bus service 258 is a Jurong-Industrial bus service.

BusAnalayzer SG

The former is to the industrial buildings and SAFTI, along Upper Jurong Road. The latter is to get empty seats on the MRT.

This may be the reason why bus service 258 is a Jurong-Industrial bus service.

Now you agree on my logic for introducing sv 258 and 99 to Joo Koon =))

BusAnalayzer SG

sv 258 route towards Pioneer/Joo Koon is fine. I think it should not have originated from Boon Lay.

IMO, they should have extended sv 49 instead to Joo Koon.

Below route:

Jurong East Interchange --> AYE --> Jurong Lake District --> st 41/42 (bi-directional) --> Jurong West Ave 1 --> Corporation Rd --> Jurong West Ave 2 --> Jurong West Ave 4 --> continue on sv 258 route to Joo Koon

Advantages:

- Connect so many HDB blocks w/ direct service to amenities/schools along older Jurong West district as well as Jurong Lake District, AYE, Jurong East.

- No advantage to have sv 258 just duplicate sv 243G/W (anyway with people traveling to Pioneer, you will have some capacity on 243G/W reduced)

Disadvantages:

I don't see any.

chickenlittle2 SG

Now you agree on my logic for introducing sv 258 and 99 to Joo Koon =))

Service 258's average loading is very low. In fact, service 99 got better loading between Joo Koon and Pioneer MRT. People heading to Pioneer from St 81 is still taking 243G to transfer at Pioneer Road Nth.

jurongresident SG

You sure it is very low? At minimum, it at least has around three passengers from Jurong West Street 81, 75 and 64.

Actually, after taking bus service 258 for around ten times now, I understand why it is categorised as a Jurong-Industrial Bus Service. As mentioned, it could be that they have data from long ago suggesting that a lot of people take bus from Jurong West (Pioneer and Gek Poh) to the industrial areas, that's why they created this bus service 258 and categorise it as a Jurong-Industrial bus service.

The primary objectives of bus service 258 are probably to connect the residential area with the industrial area, and to complement bus services 181 and 243G during peak hours. The bus connection to Pioneer MRT Station is probably the secondary objective.

Well, I feel that bus service 258 has the same kind of loading pattern as a typical JIS. Like the other JISes, loading is (very) high during weekday peak hours and low during other hours. I would not say it is very low, because at least it can fetch around three people during other hours, at you-know-where (street 81, 75 and 64).

I have been on at least one JIS before. It is 251. That time I went to Shipyard area to take picture. 251 also during other hours have only around three people on the bus. I think sometimes there are even no passenger, during other hours. The only time when it has high loading, it has very high loading, and it is during weekday peak hours. I think likewise for 252, 254, 255 and 257.

If want to criticise bus service 258, we should criticise the frequency. It is a JIS, yet the frequency during peak hours is not like the other JISes. During peak hours the frequency is around ten minutes. 有没有搞错? :(

BusAnalayzer SG

You sure it is very low? At minimum, it at least has around three passengers from Jurong West Street 81, 75 and 64.

If 3 people is not low, then what is low loading?

Pervertedboy SG

Hi everyone. Please be reminded that this thread is about Joo Koon Bus Interchange. It is not only about one or two bus services.

If there is nothing to discuss at the moment, I think it is better to not write anything here. I do not think it is wise to dilute the content by going off-topic and write extensively on bus service 258.

Five years ago when we were discussing about the opening of the new Boon Lay Air-Conditioned Bus Interchange, we severely diluted the last thread with personal attacks. Although that thread had eight hundred over postings, only some are really about the bus interchange.

Let us not make the same mistake here.

I rather we have the quality, rather than the quantity.

The second phase of the opening of Joo Koon Bus Interchange is this Saturday, 28 November 2015.

Existing bus services 182, 182M, 192, 193 and 257 will have their routes amended, while new bus service 256 will be introduced.

Let us discuss about it, shall we?

SBS2652G SG

Last time when 18 was still calling at Bedok Temp Int, with a bus stop along Bedok North Drive, you are allowed to stay on the bus at Bedok. I guess it's because many people boarded at Bedok North Dr and take beyond Bedok Temp Int. Not sure if they still allow, though.

temp ints can, ITHs cannot

BusAnalayzer SG

By the way the loading analysis of these services can go in the "loading level of buses" discussion.

jurongresident SG

Okay guys. This is it. Today is the last day Boon Lay Bus Interchange has the most number of bus services (33 + 1 added last week) in Singapore.

After today, it will have two less bus services, effectively making it have the same number of bus services as Bedok Bus Interchange (32).

Two weeks later, there will be another two less bus services at Boon Lay, effectively making it have the same number of bus services as Woodlands Bus Interhange (30).

but it will still be quite a large bus interchange in Singapore though. :|

lemon1974 SG

Okay guys. This is it. Today is the last day Boon Lay Bus Interchange has the most number of bus services (33 + 1 added last week) in Singapore.

After today, it will have two less bus services, effectively making it have the same number of bus services as Bedok Bus Interchange (32).

Two weeks later, there will be another two less bus services at Boon Lay, effectively making it have the same number of bus services as Woodlands Bus Interhange (30).

but it will still be quite a large bus interchange in Singapore though. :|

funny...someone's clone just say that this topic is about Joo Koon interchange, and yet his main account is talking about Boon Lay Interchange here......

carbikebus SG

funny...someone's clone just say that this topic is about Joo Koon interchange, and yet his main account is talking about Boon Lay Interchange here......

Hahahaha,I realised it too brother.

jurongresident SG

I believe what Pervertedboy meant is that we stop talking about bus service 258. He never say cannot talk about other bus interchanges.

BusAnalayzer SG

I believe what Pervertedboy meant is that we stop talking about bus service 258. He never say cannot talk about other bus interchanges.

My friend - everyone here knows that Perverted Boy, Jurong West Resident, Jurong Resident are the same user. You had acknowledged this before as well. That's why Lemon has made this statement. It's very amusing. I have told you before also it is just super strange that you type a message and reply to it with another user name.

AJQZC SG

What's the situation / loading like for Phase 2 today?

jurongresident SG

I know this may offend some people... but, really,

There is so much inconvenience caused as a result of bus services amended or shortened to Joo Koon Bus Interchange!

Firstly, Jurong West residents last time only need to take feeder to Boon Lay and take the bus to their work place. Now, they have to take 258 (which is not frequent) or 99, to Joo Koon and take bus from Joo Koon to their workplace. It's worse if they stay elsewhere in Jurong West (ie. Boon Lay and Wenya). The travel time is actually longer.

Secondly, the direct bus connection between Boon Lay Bus Interchange and the Singapore Discovery Centre is gone. :(

Actually, I feel that they could have done something else, instead of creating this Joo Koon Bus Interchange.

They could have retained the temporary facility of Boon Lay Bus Interchange and used it for the industrial bus services. That is, if the objective is to reduce the number of bus services and improve traffic flow at Boon Lay Bus Interchange.

There is another objective which would also be met, but due to the sensitive nature of it (about foreign talent), I shall not write about it.

Anyway, what has been done is permanent. We can only accept it, and deal with it.

Suggestions:

- Improve the frequency of bus service 258, to match the frequency of other Jurong-Industrial bus services.

- Re-route 192 to ply the entire stretch of Upper Jurong Road, and use the Pan-Island Expressway to connect to Tuas Road, and continue as per current routing. Anyway, there is 193 at Jalan Ahmad Ibrahim. This also reduces duplication.

azharjj SG

Wright 3481 3483 3485 and citaro 6597 still undeployed. Parked at joo koon int the same spot

iveco SG

I know this may offend some people... but, really,

There is so much inconvenience caused as a result of bus services amended or shortened to Joo Koon Bus Interchange!

Secondly, the direct bus connection between Boon Lay Bus Interchange and the Singapore Discovery Centre is gone. :(

Solution: Extend Route 172 to JK via Boon Lay Way, Pioneer Road North, Pan-Island Expressway, Upper Jurong Road and Benoi Road.

AJQZC SG

Solution: Extend Route 172 to JK via Boon Lay Way, Pioneer Road North, Pan-Island Expressway, Upper Jurong Road and Benoi Road.

Alternatively, just extend 256 via 182's route to Tuas Term. This benefits those going to Tuas Checkpoint as well. 182 can then be shortened to Tuas Term when MRT Tuas Extension opens next year.

dupdup77 SG

Seriously, why need do this thing? Ownself ask and ownself reply? Really nothing better to do! Cheers. Thanks.

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