money or interest?

last SG · 2007-09-18T20:45:16+00:00

Some things to say 1. Some people dont even have to go to design sch to excel in design 2. You can choose to follow your dad's path first, secure a secure...

FBI SG

let your father understands the design course..

rmyfrm SG

Not the work, but the mental challenges, like trying to prove murder so that the person doesnt get away with just manslaughter.

I hope that's not the only area of law you enjoy; money and criminal law is exclusive in Singapore. The only area of law that positively guarantees a steady cashflow all fall within, or at least into the shadows of corporate and commercial law. Even then, the pay is not as good as you think it is, in comparison to the amount of work you have to do; again, I'm sure you read the news, the crisis of quitting lawyers .. leaving practice, AND leaving Singapore.

Also, sounds like you're in your first year only. And also sounds like you probably haven't sat for an exam or done any research assignments.

Anyway, my blind guesses .. who cares. Enjoy law school, and your career. What you do in law school, pretty much sums up what you'll do for the rest of your life as a lawyer. No matter which practice you enter into, it's research, research, research, reading, reading, reading, and drafting. Whether or not you're looking for past precedents, or statutory amendments, or just general info. pertaining to your client. Enjoy it.

I'm currently 1 foot out the legal industry, but hell the amount of research I still have to do ... more than as a research assistant when I was still an ugrad. (which then, hinted to me at the grim pay to expect) Wink

oOprinceOo SG

dreams come second… dats wad i think tho. those dat say go for ur dreams n stuffs wont feed u with money nor bread.

popikachu SG

Quote from an expert:

"When you get a job which is your interest, money will roll in. It's useless doing something you don't like and without a heart in it. "

Well, I don't really remember where I heard this from...

And also, having a designing course in poly doesn't mean a bad future thought...

Good luck in deciding Wink

Othello_Red SG

Originally posted by rmyfrm:

I hope that's not the only area of law you enjoy; money and criminal law is exclusive in Singapore. The only area of law that positively guarantees a steady cashflow all fall within, or at least into the shadows of corporate and commercial law. Even then, the pay is not as good as you think it is, in comparison to the amount of work you have to do; again, I'm sure you read the news, the crisis of quitting lawyers .. leaving practice, AND leaving Singapore.

Also, sounds like you're in your first year only. And also sounds like you probably haven't sat for an exam or done any research assignments.

I actually have sat for exams and done research assignments and mooting. I agree, the research is hell. Whole weekends up in smoke to find that elusive case analgous to yours with a decision in your favour.

But yup, I'm still 1st year. And no, I have no aspirations to defend the innocent in a court of law nor to prosecute. Law is to me a way of paying the bills. Hopefully I won't be working as a lawyer, but if I do, I'd probably do M&A or something related with negotiations thrown in. I quite dislike courtrooms and advocacy Mr. Green I don't have the flair necessary for the dramatization.

Anyway, working in Singapore has not been on my list of priorities. I'd like to have the option of working there, but whether I'll exercise it is another matter. Besides, I'm overseas and I do prefer it that way.

ghimpheng SG

Interest for sure

Isis SG

At the end of the day, what is happiness to you?
Money is important too. Money enable you to do many things.

Interest is different. Though you might earn a little, you can still be happy.
When you find yourself doing something that you love, you will get contentment easily. Passion for something also motivates you to be a successful person in life.

Yes draw out a practical plan and convince ur dad. Ultimately, it is your life that you have to be responsible for, not your dad as you have grown up.

seotiblizzard SG

This is from me a design student in TP.
i was at first like u.
whethr to persue my interest or take a course in which is like in demand,in the working world.

I was quite in a dilema.
but then i figured out.
for 17 yrs i have been doing something which i dont even like.
now theres the chance for me to do something which i like.
Comeon man y not?

And there i am here.

however now the design industry in singapore is really very saturated, and highly competitive. It doesnt mean that u can draw well means that u will do well. U need alot of passion.

so give it a thought.

the cut off point for design course in TP is very low.
so u gotta work hard for it.
So now go do ur ols get a good result.

cockaholic SG

why not both money and interest? Convinced your dad that design courses has its own way of bringing bread to the table. And its true

Ito_^ SG

who say design no money wan? Laughing

dakkon_blackblade SG

In my humble opinion, interest is definitely more important than money when it comes to career planning. I've seen many people who initially chose careers which paid well but not within their interests, only to end up disillusioned and quit after a couple of years to do what they really like.

On the practical side, if you really like designing, you can compile a portfolio of your work and go around asking for freelance work. This can help to show your father that designing is a viable livelihood in Singapore.

countdracula SG

it's not about the money your dad thinks about, it's your livelihood he's concerned.....consider yourself wanting to have a family of your own one day, will the low pay do? the small flat and etc...? the family needs money, the kids need money, the small flat needs money and so too does the scooter.....

that said, this doesn't mean designing cannot draw good money, in fact it's one of the easier route to start your own business than say engineering or other 'safe' disciplines....

talk to the old man and ask for his blessings....regardless, diploma holders in any course will have certain pay scale....not sure what design progamme you want to do but these days design degrees are a plenty too and you can progress to get one later.....

mahawarrior SG

I would say, go ahead and pursue your dreams. But I would also like to remind you that reality is actually harsher than you think (i.e. even if you get into the design industry and work hard, you might not do as well as if you get into a more 'profitting' job).

Take for example, one of my GP tutor in JC, who previously worked as a mime artist. It was his interest and he was pretty good at it to the extent that he is able to do coaching. However, his pay was so pathetic, he basically have to live off his savings for a few years.

And so, when his savings ran out dry, he had no chioce but to change job, thus coming to my JC to teach GP. The pay is a damn lot better, but he don't get to do what he like.

So keep this in mind...society is not as idealistic as we would like it to be.

Othello_Red SG

You can also do what your dad wants you to do, to ensure your bread and butter, then do some designing on the side. It’s the safest way to experience the best of both worlds.

Fastway SG

Live your dream. I choose engineering over business. Embarassed

Interest > Money

asdfzhao SG

this is coming from a design student from sp.

my lecturer told me this. design is to earn money. Laughing

and from my point of view, there is still a lot of potential in Sg for design. More and more companies are starting to realise that design is essential for them to earn big bucks. for eg. Yah Kun rebranded to a more young image and now, they have operations in other parts of the world too.
and god knows how much singapore zoo paid Satchi and satchi to do that new logo, but it definately was'nt cheap.

design does bring in money. it only depends on which design agency you are working in.

like the tp student said:
if u have been doing 11 years of stuff u do not like, would u wanna do another few years studying things u do not like?

design is not easy, there is no set fomula for a good design, and so this usually means sleepless nights. if your passion dies out halfway through the course, it is as good as wasting the time spent in that course. so think carefully.

sp design course cut off point is also pretty low.
nyp design course just made a killing at the crowbar awards.
school of the arts should go into operation pretty soon
la salle, and raffles design institute
and of course tp are some other choices 4 u to choose from

dahliamorie SG

Actually, I'm in a somewhat similiar position as you.

I wanted to go NAFA/LaSalle to do arts after my O levels instead of doing what he wanted me to do. He wanted me to get into one of the business courses to help him out with his business.

Butttt, I did badly for my O levels. Didn't qualify for any of the biz courses. So here I am now doing Biz Admin in one of the ITEs while retaking my O levels. And I'm actually doing very well and beginning to be interested in business and how it works.

Maybe you might wanna consider going for a "proper" poly diploma first. Like what you cited, science courses. Then go into your interest after you've satisfy your dad. After all, he's expecting you be able to bring bread to the table in the future. When you can fulfill that, go for your arts thingy?

HTHs~ Very Happy

Kyndred SG

I was in exactly the same position as you after my O'levels.

I wanted to do art...parents didnt think it was practical.

I ended up doing what they wanted....and till today that is one of my biggest regrets.

However, now I'm in a comfortable place financially....and i have the ability to pursue my art on the sidelines....which to me is a plus.

So i'm definately on the fence on whether i should or shouldn't have listened to my parents.

But i say to you...RUN FORREST RUN! Wink

GHoST_18 SG

design is unlike any other courses...

it's a continuous thinking process because there is no "right" answer...

Othello_Red SG

There is no right answer in law either.

I believe this lack of a model or right answer applies to most courses across the board.

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