Don't condemn people in AA

last SG · 2007-06-22T16:26:18+00:00

Well, you're the one who claims to be an old man, so "kid" is relative. Better yet, you're an old man who still has to worry about his boss looking over his...

MiX Metal SG

No Problem ! Very Happy

AndrewPKYap SG

Laughing

morbid4ever SG

The way u condemn PAP and their supporters makes me think otherwise about this post.

The way u insist ppl are stupid for voting for PAP makes me think otherwise too.

Dun try to act saint to increase ur publicity. WE WONT BUY UR LOUSY BOOK!
Laughing

Xiaozzhen SG

I believe this is not about winning and losing.

Let's be constructive about this topic. I prefer you when you are arguing.

AndrewPKYap SG

hahahaha... I only point out PAP failings (not condemn) because I can't stand the mass media always portray them as saints and god-like... and they always put themselves in good light.

So it is my job to point out the other perspectives and I don't condemn PAP one... please point out where I condemn PAP and was not pointing out their failings? All out to defame people that criticise PAP issit? Laughing

You telling me PAP is god-like and no failings?

You don't buy my book is your loss... Mr. Green

AndrewPKYap SG

Up to a point when you realize that people do not wish to understand / cannot understand what you are trying to say... simple things like read and comprehend and back up what you say with facts, they CMI... let them win lor... Laughing

it is like arguing with a pre-puberty child about sex... they cannot know what is horny (turned on) or orgasm, you think it is a waste of time to argue with them about sex or not?

Simple things like, the difference between having "strong opinions" and "condemning" people... they have no idea what the differences are.

Simple things like "one's man's morality is another's man stupidity" and "one man's religious beliefs is another's man delusion" apparently is too difficult for some people to understand.

Imagine that you are andrewpkyap and I am arguing against you, how will I do it?

I will say,

1. sometimes you do not need to know everything and know every detail to condemn people... you need only to know enough. Therefore it is not true that in order to condemn people, you need to be god.

2. while my religion based morality might not be a good basis to condemn people, there are things like conscience and cultural values that we can use to condemn people.

something like that. at least there is something to argue about.... but you are not andrewpkyap and I can't be arguing with myself can I? Mr. Green

After 5 pages and I never get any real response to argue...

so it is... OK you win... Laughing

morbid4ever SG

Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
hahahaha... I only point out PAP failings (not condemn) because I can't stand the mass media always portray them as saints and god-like... and they always put themselves in good light.

So it is my job to point out the other perspectives and I don't condemn PAP one... please point out where I condemn PAP and was not pointing out their failings? All out to defame people that criticise PAP issit? Laughing

You telling me PAP is god-like and no failings?

You don't buy my book is your loss... Mr. Green

Yah rite, "pointing out" indeed.
Condemning and pointing out is just a matter of interpretation.
U like to put words into ppl's mouth?
I din say PAP are god like. So dun presume too much.

By buying ur book will be a double loss to me. Spend money and waste time. Mr. Green

MiX Metal SG

This is a never ending debate. almost everyone (including myself) has a strong opinion against your view .........

yes you've presented to us (or me) with examples but fail to convience anyone because of your insults

Say things like "Let you win ok? Happy? Laughing " or "Let you win you still not happy?" when someone has already pointed out that its not about winning.

Getting into an argument is not always a bad thing. (for me) At least I get to see other (or your) people's POV and maybe learn something. But even if I do not agree or if I feel that they are not getting my point, I'll try to reply them as politely as possible unless they are asking for it. Cool

Do not to others what you do not want other to do to you. Mr. Green

AndrewPKYap SG

"matter of interpretation"? obviously you don't know the difference

It is implied... if you do not think that PAP is perfect and god like then why should you be so worked up about people criticizing them?

Keep PAP on their toes a bit.

If I condemn PAP I will say... these people must be replaced at all costs.. and when did I ever say that? Rolling Eyes

AndrewPKYap SG

again... baseless statements... apparently you have no idea what making baseless statements means and what logical fallacies are... so you win! Laughing

MiX Metal SG

its ok, you can keep the win, I'm not here to win anything Laughing

AndrewPKYap SG

OK I win Laughing

morbid4ever SG

Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
"matter of interpretation"? obviously you don't know the difference

It is implied... if you do not think that PAP is perfect and god like then why should you be so worked up about people criticizing them?

Keep PAP on their toes a bit.

If I condemn PAP I will say... these people must be replaced at all costs.. and when did I ever say that? Rolling Eyes

U really have no understanding in simple logics.
To make an implication, one have to list all the premises before one make an implication.

By saying that u are not fair to the PAP with the tone u are using doesn't make me an ardent supporter of PAP.

I have even defended those PRCS who are victimised by the locals. Does that mean I have to look up those PRCS as god? See ur logic is flawed.

The world is very much a matter of interpretation, whether u like it or not. How much do u noe abt differences? Do I have to quote what u said abt ppl being stupid in voting 4 PAP? How clever are u then to make such comment? U are just going in circles, a technique often use by politicians to hide their ignorance and mistakes.

Did u not condemn PAP? Just start a forum with the title " IS PKYAP BIASED AGAINST PAP" and I am pretty sure u will the answer I am trying to convey.

Calling others kids and using analogy that u are like trying to explained sex to a bunch of kids shows ur narcissism.
The fault really lies in u. Take a close look at urself. I am pretty sure that u have been flamed pretty badly all the time by ppl.
Ur notorious reputation in Speaker corner is the best testimonial for u incompetency. Arguing without hardcore facts and labeling ppl as deluded are part and parcel of ur posts.

If u wish to argue more logically, at least, please read a book by Susanna S.Epp on logics. It may be a little mathematical but it is definitely a good book.

AndrewPKYap SG

YOU want to talk logic? Laughing

Did I say you are an ardent supporter of the PAP? Rolling Eyes What kind of logic is that? May I ask?

So the people in Speakers are victimizing PAP and that is why you brought up this example? Rolling Eyes

I said I criticized the PAP for their faults... and what is wrong with that unless they are gods and perfect... why cannot people criticize their faults?

I might have said that but you have to look at it in context.. yes it would be good if you can extract the quote and give us the context Laughing

You do understand the difference between, condemn and criticizing? Apparently not... why don't you pu;; up the quote that says I condemn the PAP and they must be replaced at all costs by all means? That is condemn. Did I? Where? So don't make wild accusations... Rolling Eyes

Your opinion, I do not have to agree with it. Laughing Like I said many times in this thread... do not condemn does not mean have no opinions and mince your words... again, you cannot appreciate the difference Rolling Eyes

If people are behaving like children, then you should say so.

Bad logic... where? when? anyhow guess is good logic? Thanks, your can keep you logic for your own use.

I have a "notorious reputation in Speaker corner"? You mean among hard core PAP supporters that refuse to see any fault in their political masters issit? Laughing "Without Facts"? Take your post I am replying to for example... what facts have you produced? None.

Thanks, I might check out Susanna's book but, as for your logic you can keep it for your own use... Mr. Green

AndrewPKYap SG

To all those reading and not posting in this thread...

Let an old man give you some advice hor... please make the effort to at least google and learn what is "making a good argument" and what is "making a stupid" argument.

It has a lot to do with having good thinking skills. Unless know how to think clearly and you can think clearly, you cannot make a good argument. Please don't think that just because you can make proper sentences, you can argue properly and can think clearly hor...

It is like, you might "belief" that a certain way of doing things is correct and just because you believe it, does not mean that it is the correct way. There are proper procedures one hor... if you only care to find out.

To be able to think clearly is important if you want to be successful in life.

Xiaozzhen SG

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Xiaozhen
Because I am Xiaozhen and argue with you in my manner which is not offensive to you, you are also not offensive to me, Andrewpkyap.

But notice that I say "not offensive to you", may be offensive to another. One man's meat is another's poison.

Andrew
offensive ? I do not think it is a matter of being offensive or not. Like I said a few times already... you might need to give your honest opinion and that might be offensive to the reader. The point (thread title) is "Don't condemn" and "Don't be offensive" is not the point

I was not clear here, I mean the offensive manner as in the subsequent posts, not your original topic.

I feel the manner which the posts were posted, either by others or you , can be offensive to some. And of course, the reaction is to be offensive.

So I am pointing out that my manner is not offensive to you, therefore you are not offensive to me. But others may think I am offensive to you or vice versa.

Anyone, blur??? Razz Razz Razz

AndrewPKYap SG

When it starts to get a tad too offensive... I let them win lor... see the point? Rolling Eyes

Xiaozzhen SG

The problem is the topic. It is open for rebuttals.

Conversely, the joy is the topic. So much to rebuttal.

That's why this thread is 6 pages long. Twisted Evil Wink

AndrewPKYap SG

Not anyhow, anyhow rebut hor....

Quiet Guy SG

Life is not to be avoided but lived
TRY SMARTER... NOT TRY HARDER...

lived or try harder, once in this topic, you will be condemn by TS.

no point reply to this thread anymore, let it condemn itself

lets moved on to next topic

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