GCM New/Transferred Buses

last SG · 2015-11-14T12:43:12+00:00

I'm not surprised if Scania Citywide Double Decker will be introduced to Singapore in 2016.if that day comes I will celebrate in style.

jurongresident SG

Photo of SG5014R has been posted on Facebook. The bus is in white (we can only see the front). Volvo B9TL. In a depot not sure which one, doesn't look like Bulim... EDS display Off Service, bus is still unregistered.

I searched 'SG5014R' on Facebook (Facebook Search). (It is shared with Public, that is how I am able to see.)

Yeah, the front is white, but the interior colour scheme seems like the one on SBS Transit buses.

SBS3975T SG

i saw the 5014 pic liao. no pics of SG plate citaros? and no buses reg yet? take so long

SG5001C SG

i saw the 5014 pic liao. no pics of SG plate citaros? and no buses reg yet? take so long

Yup, no buses registered yet.

lemon1974 SG

i saw the 5014 pic liao. no pics of SG plate citaros? and no buses reg yet? take so long

So long? So fast register for what? Register n then park inside depot to rot? Now register u also can't take the bus.

SBS3975T SG

So long? So fast register for what? Register n then park inside depot to rot? Now register u also can't take the bus.

what i don't get is why they arrange for those buses handing over to TT to spend so much time in depot with SG plates but then cannot use... if so they should have handed this batch to SBS first and then later only set aside some for TT... so early set aside for what, like u said then it will sit around without being used. if u say after reg they park inside depot to rot, err isn't that exactly what it is doing alr lol

CB2883J SG

Actually the thing is, if LTA wants to get things moving on this SG registration series, then the new batch of Wrights for Joo Koon Interchange should have just debuted with SG plates and SBS livery. LTA appears to be just creating more work for themselves by giving them SBS348x-349x plates and then later re-register to SG plate. It is counter-productive to their plan to eventually have a common registration series. They should have allocated that batch SG plates from the start, but allow full SBS livery including the front and the rear since it is on SBS services for now.

wsy1234 SG

i read somewhere LTA is buying all the buses from both operators? So if that the case why so many buses tranfering going on? just use back whatever bus TT take over and add a few new one will do. What LTA should do is to paint all the buses to one standard LTA colour and have operators logo attach to it. also using one standard licence plate SGxxxx for example for all buses. waste money doing all the stupid jobs tranfering here and there. one time job should be better. actually those brand new buses not in use can have it paint white colour or LTA colour like the DTL train.

lemon1974 SG

because SBST does not have space to park all these buses....its depots esp HGDEP/BBDEP/AMDEP are all at full capacity and SBST does not need these buses also... they have enough buses to deploy (including BSEP buses)...

So they just handover to TT and park inside Bulim Depot.. since they are not registered, so no issue at all of rotting, cos the lifespan also never start.. u register and then dun use, then there will be issue of rotting and wasting lifespan

lemon1974 SG

3076 is still on 860 yesterday....

SG5001C SG

i read somewhere LTA is buying all the buses from both operators? So if that the case why so many buses tranfering going on? just use back whatever bus TT take over and add a few new one will do. What LTA should do is to paint all the buses to one standard LTA colour and have operators logo attach to it. also using one standard licence plate SGxxxx for example for all buses. waste money doing all the stupid jobs tranfering here and there. one time job should be better. actually those brand new buses not in use can have it paint white colour or LTA colour like the DTL train.

This is eventually. For now, since they only need a few (ok maybe not a few, but only a portion) of buses to give Bulim, the BSEP buses will do. So they are transferring around such that the Bulim services are full-fleet Bulim buses, even if those services are not introduced under BSEP. This ensures that all buses in Bulim are govt assets.

sgbuses SG

I still do not think LTA is going to buy every bus from SBS Transit and SMRT Buses.

That would be giving them a windfall and indeed there may be investors who have bought shares of both operators on this very basis and are waiting for that free money to come.

lemon1974 SG

I still do not think LTA is going to buy every bus from SBS Transit and SMRT Buses.

That would be giving them a windfall and indeed there may be investors who have bought shares of both operators on this very basis and are waiting for that free money to come.

i think it will need to take over some buses at least?

bulim package =300 BSEP buses gone

Loyang Package = 400 BSEP buses gone...

so what about service 50 (and other BSEP services or services which got BSEP improvement), but using current SBST buses after the bulk of BSEP buses transferred to TT? currently, it is just the switching of buses, so no issue..(LTA ust paying the cost of operation - i.e BC/maintainance/diesel etc)

But after next June, 300 BSEP went over to TT, so effectively, SBST is using its own buses to operate part of Sv 50 and other BSEP service (or service with BSEP improvement).. So LTA either need to compensate SBST for the cost of these buses or buy over them? unless, LTA go order new buses now, but kinda impossible...

sgbuses SG

i think it will need to take over some buses at least?

bulim package =300 BSEP buses gone

Loyang Package = 400 BSEP buses gone...

If LTA is bearing the cost of day to day operation (fuel/maintenance), then that continues. You do not have to buy over the whole fleet to do that.

The loan taken out to purchase BSEP buses is taken over by LTA.

Shouldn't be long before LTA orders new buses, though the concept buses would come first. None of these are surprising.

lemon1974 SG

If LTA is bearing the cost of day to day operation (fuel/maintenance), then that continues. You do not have to buy over the whole fleet to do that.

The loan taken out to purchase BSEP buses is taken over by LTA.

Shouldn't be long before LTA orders new buses, though the concept buses would come first. None of these are surprising.

then LTA still need to pay for the depreciation cost of these buses under BSEP service..not just the day to day operation cost... why would SBST use their own buses at their own cost to operate BSEP service? so either LTA compensate SBST or simply take over these buses...(might not be all)..

even if LTA order new buses, it will take time also.. govt procuring will take some time...

the issue is that LTA need more BSEP buses .

Bulim Package =300
Loyang Package =400... so 700 BSEP already needed for these two packages, plus the current 600-700 needed for current BSEP service/fleet improvement.... so by next Sept, LTA will need to have around 1400 BSEP buses.. but they order only 1000...

sgbuses SG

even if LTA order new buses, it will take time also.. govt procuring will take some time...

the issue is that LTA need more BSEP buses .

This is the problem...Some of the buses have fully deprecated.

If you are buying or paying lease for an asset which has no book value, then it is a windfall to the operator.

I have no issues with LTA buying buses that are the same model as the BSEP fleet. My contention is about LTA buying every bus asset, including those with no book value.

lemon1974 SG

This is the problem...Some of the buses have fully deprecated.

If you are buying or paying lease for an asset which has no book value, then it is a windfall to the operator.

I have no issues with LTA buying buses that are the same model as the BSEP fleet. My contention is about LTA buying every bus asset, including those with no book value.

most likely they will be taking same model of buses and most of them are quite new actually (less than 5 years for citaros/B9TL)...

as for those older buses, most likely LTA will just pay SBST/SMRT slightly higher amount to run them (to cover more frequent maintainance, etc etc)...

CB2883J SG

I believe that LTA has clearly stated before that when the GCM is fully implemented, all bus assets will be government-owned. Whether this is accomplished by LTA buying new buses and forcing the SBS/SMRT non-BSEP assets off the road, or LTA buying over the non-BSEP buses, in the end the outcome is the same: all buses to be Government assets.

It is possible that from now on, we may not see any new bus purchases (new orders) by SBS and SMRT, maybe in future all new orders will come from LTA.

lemon1974 SG

It is possible that from now on, we may not see any new bus purchases (new orders) by SBS and SMRT, maybe in future all new orders will come from LTA.

yes... but depend on how u interpret "fully implemented". is it based on current 3 packages + 9 existing packages or based on all 12 packages are tendered out completely... i think it will be the latter (which mean 2022 and later )...by that time, can almost retire KUB already...

CB2883J SG

Indeed I am referring to the latter. KUB may be retired by that time, but do remember that right now Volvo is still producing a 4th batch of B9TLs in SBS specifications, part of which are BSEP (34xx) and hence Government owned, but the remainder of which (SBS1Z onwards) are still SBS assets at the moment. I am referring to these buses which I expect to be bought (or otherwise taken over somehow) by LTA to become Government assets.

iveco SG

I still do not think LTA is going to buy every bus from SBS Transit and SMRT Buses.

That would be giving them a windfall and indeed there may be investors who have bought shares of both operators on this very basis and are waiting for that free money to come.

They probably only buying the BSEP models (Wrights, Citaros, E500s and A22s). KUBs, CDGE B9TLs, OC500s, A24s and A95s will remain with their respective operators until they're decommissioned.

In future, only 4 bus models will be deployed by LTA itself. Unlikely we'll be seeing new Scanias anytime soon unless PAP lost power and incoming party strikes an exclusive deal with the Swedish automotive firm.

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