Route Suggestions (Part 6)

last SG · 2015-07-28T14:42:23+00:00

Hi mr pathlight, there is northeast MRT line. Cheers.Or Service 47: Joo Koon > Sengkang

Path Light SG

Service 511

Jurong East > Punggol

Jurong Gateway Road, Jurong East Central, Boon Lay Way, Jurong Town Hall Road, Pan Island Expressway, Upper Serangoon Road, Boundary Road, Yio Chu Kang Link, Yio Chu Kang Road, Sengkang West Road, Jalan Kayu, Sengkang West Way, Sengkang East Way, Sengkang East Road, Punggol Way, Punggol Central and Punggol Place

jurongresident SG

Service 242

Boon Lay Interchange - Jurong West Ave 5/St 72 (Loop)
Via
Jurong West Ctrl 3
Jalan Boon Lay
Jurong West Ave 4
Jurong West St 71
Jurong West Ave 5
Jurong West St 72
Jurong West Ave 4
Jalan Boon Lay
Jurong West Ctrl 2/Ctrl 3

Servicce 242 will shift to the End-On Berth replacing Svc 251's berth

I ever wrote an email to the LTA to suggest changing bus route 242 to take the shorter path to Jurong West Street 72, via Jurong West Street 64.

While the suggestion you made is different, I think the reason they gave for rejecting my suggestion can be applied to the suggestion you made:

"The amendment of Service 242 would result in a loss of direct link from Jurong West Central 1 to Jurong West Avenue 4, Jurong West Avenue 5 and Jurong West Street 72."

"In view of the above, we are sorry to inform you that we are unable to accede to your request. Nonetheless, every feedback is important to us. We have noted your request and will take it into consideration when we review the bus network for the area."

jurongresident SG

In the past, I kept writing to the LTA to suggest amending bus routes 242 and 181 to take the shortest path to the neighbourhoods 7 and 2.

As I look back at the email replies, I found one which explains it all on why there is no direct bus route to any of the two neighbourhoods.

"We seek your understanding that public transport evolved from a multitude of needs arising from the residents in area they served. Hence public transport are planned to meet most of these needs in an efficient and effective way while keeping travel time reasonable."

"For example, Service 181 besides connecting residents in Jurong West Avenue 3 to the Boon Lay Interchange, also connect them to Gek Poh Shopping Centre in Jurong West Ave 5."

"Similarly, Service 242 connects residents along Jalan Boon Lay to schools in Jurong West Street 72 and Jurong West Avenue 5."

"Given that buses serve a multitude of needs, it may not be possible for all buses to take the shortest route to all the destinations since it is just one of many destinations that they are serving."

jurongresident SG

Apart from the suggestions to change 181 and 242, there is one other suggestion which I kept sending emails about to the LTA, and that is about providing bus connections to Pioneer MRT Station.

The last time I made the suggestion to LTA to create a new bus service to Pioneer MRT Station, this was the reply they gave:

"On your request to provide a new bus service to Pioneer Station, we note that residents in Jurong West are generally well-connected by the existing bus network to either Pioneer Station or Boon Lay Interchange today."

"While Boon Lay Interchange may not be the nearest MRT station for some neighborhoods, it is generally the preferred MRT station for residents in Jurong West given that it is also an integrated development providing many amenities such as shoppings, eateries etc."

Well, I stopped sending emails to the LTA since July 2013. It has been two years. Apparently, the actual loading on buses and the passenger volume at Pioneer MRT Station speak for themselves, and has proven that there is really a strong demand for a bus connection to Pioneer MRT Station. Besides, I do not think I am the only person who kept asking for this bus connection. I guess quite a number of people have been asking for it. Hence, there is this new bus service 258, which would begin in twenty four days. :)

SBS 9256 X SG

I ever wrote an email to the LTA to suggest changing bus route 242 to take the shorter path to Jurong West Street 72, via Jurong West Street 64. While the suggestion you made is different, I think the reason they gave for rejecting my suggestion can be applied to the suggestion you made:

"The amendment of Service 242 would result in a loss of direct link from Jurong West Central 1 to Jurong West Avenue 4, Jurong West Avenue 5 and Jurong West Street 72."

The suggestion that I made for Svc 242 is the anti-clockwise direction of the current Svc 242. The one that you mention is my Svc 245 suggesstion.

jurongresident SG

The suggestion that I made for Svc 242 is the anti-clockwise direction of the current Svc 242. The one that you mention is my Svc 245 suggesstion.

Alternatively, you could suggest a new bus route which takes the route of the original 242 (until 17 June 2006)...

Basically, unless there is at least one alternative bus service which provides an absolutely equal bus connection (e.g. all of old 242 duplicates 99), there is very negligible chance that suggestions made to change existing bus routes would be accepted.

Anyway, I like your 245...

From my observations, it seems that it is not the practice of the LTA to amend existing bus routes. The only exception is when a new bus interchange opens, or when a new route duplicates an existing route entirely. When comes to bus routes, it seems that the LTA only introduce new bus routes or extend existing bus routes.

(not only to Mr SBS 9256 X. This applies to everyone here.)

jurongresident SG

Service 245
Boon Lay Interchange - Jurong West Ave 5 (Loop)
via
Jurong West Ctrl 3/Jurong West St 64
Jurong West Ctrl 1
Jalan Boon Lay
Jurong West Ave 2
Jurong West St 24
Jurong West Ave 5
Jurong West St 71
Jurong West Ave 4
Jurong West St 64

I like this route because it provides the bus connection from the Boon Lay Bus Interchange to Jurong West Street 24, and links Jurong West Street 24 to Jurong West Avenue 4.

However, this bus service only moves in one direction. People can only travel from Neighbourhood 2 to Neighbourhood 7, but not the other way round.

I feel that the route should have a looping point while the rest of the route should be in bi-direction, for travel from Jurong West Avenue 4 to Jurong West Street 24. This would encourage some loading throughout the day at most sectors of the route.

Otherwise, this bus service would only have some loading from Jurong West Avenue 4 (in the morning) and to Jurong West Street 24 (in the evening) during peak hours. During regular hours, the section to Jurong West Street 24 may have little loading, while the other sections may have only a handful or even no loading at all.

SBS2656X SG

Service 973
Bukit Panjang >> Joo Koon Integrated Hub via NTU

Jelebu Road (Start)
Bukit Panjang Road
Teck Whye Avenue
Teck Whye Lane
Choa Chu Kang Avenue 1
Choa Chu Kang Central
Choa Chu Kang Avenue 3
Brickland Road
KJE
PIE
Jalan Bahar
Nanyang Avenue
Nanyang Drive
Pioneer Road North
Upper Jurong Road
Kian Teck Road
International Road
Joo Koon Circus (Terminus)

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z362zsIp5SUY.kyXJBLvX4hYY&usp=sharing

*Uses the exact same routing for the opposite direction.

EDIT 1
Omitted Jurong West Street 91/92/93.

EDIT 2
Omitted Choa Chu Kang Drive, rerouted via Choa Chu Kang Avenue 3 and Brickland Road.

@BusAnalyser how do you think of this one?

jurongresident SG

EDIT 2
Omitted Choa Chu Kang Drive, rerouted via Choa Chu Kang Avenue 3 and Brickland Road.

Five years ago, when I joined the forum and was only active at the threads about Boon Lay ITH and PTC list of approved bus routes, I ever suggested that we should have bus services travelling from other areas to the Nanyang Technological University, to relieve the loading on bus service 179.

Back then, there was the practice of the SBS Transit and the SMRT having separate areas of responsibility. I suggested having bus routes travelling between the Nanyang Technological University and Choa Chu Kang, but then I realised that it was not possible as both areas were under the responsibility of different operators.

Today, bus operators operate in whichever areas they have bus service at, and bus routes can go anywhere. We can have bus routes between the Nanyang Technological University and Choa Chu Kang.

I like your 973.

Firstly, by connecting the Nanyang Technological University to Choa Chu Kang and Bukit Panjang, it provides an alternative to bus service 179 that only connects to Jurong West.

Secondly, by using the expressway, it provides a faster bus connection than bus service 172, for travel between Jurong West and Choa Chu Kang - although it does not ply Jalan Boon Lay.

Thirdly, this bus service provides a new bus connection between Bukit Panjang and Choa Chu Kang, and Joo Koon. If the travelling time from Bukit Panjang and Choa Chu Kang to Joo Koon is about the same or shorter than that of the fastest route (eg. via the MRT) currently available, this bus connection may be heavily utilised.

Thanks to the excellent bus connections that it provides, this bus service may experience medium to mid-high usage throughout the day. It could have a fleet made up entirely of Double Decker buses, and still have at least 50% loading on each bus.

However, during peak hours, there is traffic congestion at Pioneer Road North... Well, bus lanes could be the solution.

Path Light SG

Service 501:
Boon Lay > Shenton Way

Jurong West Central 3, Jurong West Street 64, Boon Lay Way, Toh Tuck Avenue, Pan Island Expressway, Thomson Road, Newton Road, Scotts Road, Orchard Road, Bras Basah Road, Raffles Boulevard, Temasek Avenue, Bayfront Avenue, Central Boulevard, Raffles Quay, Shenton Way and Palmer Road

Service 502:
Boon Lay > Sengkang

Jurong West Central 3, Jalan Boon Lay, Boon Lay Avenue, Corporation Road, Jurong West Avenue 1, Jurong East Avenue 1, Jurong Town Hall Road, Pan Island Expressway, Lorong 6 Toa Payoh, Lorong 4 Toa Payoh, Lorong 1 Toa Payoh, Lorong 6 Toa Payoh, Braddell Road, Upper Serangoon Road, Boundary Road, Yio Chu Kang Link, Yio Chu Kang Road, Sengkang West Road, Sengkang West Avenue, Jalan Kayu, Sengkang West Way, Sengkang East Way, Sengkang East Road and Sengkang Square

Service 505:
Sengkang > Jurong East

Sengkang Square, Compassvale Road, Compassvale Street, Punggol Road, Tampines Expressway, Central Expressway, Yio Chu Kang Road, Yio Chu Kang Link, Boundary Road, Upper Serangoon Road, Pan Island Expressway, Jurong Town Hall Road, Boon Lay Way, Jurong East Central and Jurong Gateway Road

SBS 9256 X SG

Service 152
Eunos Interchange - Woodlands Interchange
via
Eunos Rd 2
Changi Rd
Geylang Rd
Kallang Rd
Lavender St
Serangoon Rd
Jalan Toa Payoh
Whitley Rd
PIE
BKE
Woodlands Ave 3

Path Light SG

Service 501:
Boon Lay > Shenton Way

Service 502:
Boon Lay > Sengkang

Service 505:
Sengkang > Jurong East

jurongresident SG

Skipped bus stop: #26461

Alternative: take bus service 181 from the opposite side.

Path Light SG

Service 149:

Punggol > Boon Lay

Ajen SG

My suggestion:

Amendment for 171 once DTL phase 2 completed.

Yishun - Yew Tee MRT [Loop]

to link up residents of Yew Tee to DTL .

Path Light SG

Service 501:
Boon Lay > Shenton Way

Service 502:
Boon Lay > Sengkang

Service 505:
Sengkang > Jurong East

array88 SG

My suggestion:

Amendment for 171 once DTL phase 2 completed.

Yishun - Yew Tee MRT [Loop]

to link up residents of Yew Tee to DTL .

You cannot completely remove 171's route between Marina Centre and Bukit Panjang just like that... Do note that 171 is the only link between Yishun and Upper Bukit Timah, which is popular during peak hours and cannot be removed even after DTL opens (as I doubt many will really like taking bus-DTL-bus especially when it's only 1 or 2 stations on DTL).

171 also provides fast and direct connection between Bukit Timah and Orchard which is again highly popular (especially for the areas not served by 174). Given that DTL Newton and NSL Newton may not even be real interchanges, I think many will still be taking 171 rather than bus-DTL-tap out-tap in again-NSL.

jurongresident SG

Service 501:
Boon Lay > Shenton Way

Service 502:
Boon Lay > Sengkang

Service 505:
Sengkang > Jurong East

Thank you for the meticulous recommendations.

I would like to inform you that in any amendment made to any route, there will be people who would gain, while some skeptically affected. It is therefore necessary that the repercussion on patrons are gingerly appraised in advance of any amendment we may hereafter carry out.

I have delved into your feedback to alter service 502 and introduce services 501 and 505.

From my findings, it would appear that a consequential faction of existing patrons will be adversely affected if we change the route of service 502. They would lose their direct link between Jurong and the Central Business District, where the Orchard Road and the Marina Bay are located.

I have seen the route of service 501 which you had proposed. While I acknowledge that this duplicates the route of existing service 502 between Jurong and the Central Business District, I am sorry to inform you that this is not a better alternative to how the existing route of service 502 is designed.

The existing route of service 502 is economical, considering it takes the shortest possible alignment to navigate to and from the two areas it serve. Should we apply the route of service 501 you had advised, additional mileage would be incurred and fares may have to increase to correspond with the rise in costs of operations as a result.

With regards to the idea of introducing service 505 between Jurong East and Seng Kang, I wish to inform you that it is not financially practical to run this service, as my observations have shown that very little people travel between these two places at any period of the day.

Bearing in mind of the above, I am sorry to inform you that I am not able to acquiesce your requests. In spite of that, every suggestion is important. Do rest assured that all of us here have noted your suggestions and will allow for them when we want to suggest express bus routes.

Thank you for writing in.

Path Light SG

Service 501:
Boon Lay > Shenton Way

Jurong West Central 3, Jurong West Street 64, Boon Lay Way, Toh Tuck Avenue, Pan Island Expressway, Thomson Road, Newton Road, Scotts Road, Orchard Road, Bras Basah Road, Raffles Boulevard, Temasek Avenue, Bayfront Avenue, Central Boulevard, Raffles Quay, Shenton Way and Palmer Road

Service 502:
Boon Lay > Sengkang

Jurong West Central 3, Jalan Boon Lay, Boon Lay Avenue, Corporation Road, Jurong West Avenue 1, Jurong East Avenue 1, Jurong Town Hall Road, Pan Island Expressway, Thomson Road, Newton Road, Scotts Road, Orchard Road, Buyong Road, Central Expressway, Ang Mo Kio Avenue 1, Boundary Road, Yio Chu Kang Link, Yio Chu Kang Road, Sengkang West Road, Sengkang West Avenue, Jalan Kayu, Sengkang West Way, Sengkang East Way, Sengkang East Road and Sengkang Square

Service 503:
Sengkang > Jurong East

dupdup77, think of this routes

Path Light SG

Thank you for the meticulous recommendations.

I have delved into your feedback to alter service 502 and introduce services 501 and 503.

From my findings, it would appear that a consequential faction of existing patrons will be adversely affected if we alter the route of service 502. They would lose their direct link between Jurong and the Central Business District, where the Orchard Road and the Marina Bay are located.

With regards to the idea of introducing service 503 between Jurong East and Seng Kang, I wish to inform you that it is not financially practical to run this service, as my observations have shown that very little people travel between these two places at any period of the day.

Thank you for writing in.

For your information, Service 501 and 502 both use Orchard Road but only Service 502 turn left to Buyong Road towards Sengkang.

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