Route Suggestions (Part 6)

last SG · 2015-07-28T14:42:23+00:00

Hi mr pathlight, there is northeast MRT line. Cheers.Or Service 47: Joo Koon > Sengkang

SBS2652G SG

171

Sembawang - Yew Tee

good job for 171. No point for a duplicative svc where there is a faster option between Yishun and the city (857)

AJQZC SG

good job for 171. No point for a duplicative svc where there is a faster option between Yishun and the city (857)

Consider the high duplicity of the other section (973) with 67 and 170 ... direct link from eastern Bt Panjang to Dunearn Rd is also lost.

Diverting 171 to Yew Tee is a very risky move as well, as longer routes have more tendency to bunch.

Overall ... quite many considerations to take into account when amending a unique route such as 171. Best to watch loading patterns after DTL2 opens.

SBS 9256 X SG

good job for 171. No point for a duplicative svc where there is a faster option between Yishun and the city (857)

I agree also. A faster alternative route to Marina Centre is 857. I think too many duplication for Svc 171.

Bukit Panjang - Orchard: 190, 972
Bukit Panjang - Marina Centre: 960

I will think that Svc 171 is the service that will be amended... Maybe extend to Yew Tee besides with the extension to 983?

Path Light SG

good job for 171. No point for a duplicative svc where there is a faster option between Yishun and the city (857)

Bad job for 171. 171 is a catchy route from Yishun to Marina Centre. Hopefully 171 can be extended to Shenton Way

Path Light SG

Service 502:
Boon Lay > Sengkang

Jurong West Central 3, Jalan Boon Lay, Boon Lay Avenue, Corporation Road, Jurong West Avenue 1, Jurong East Avenue 1, Jurong Town Hall Road, Pan Island Expressway, Thomson Road, Newton Road, Scotts Road, Orchard Road, Prinsep Street, Selegie Road, Serangoon Road, Upper Serangoon Road, Boundary Road, Yio Chu Kang Link, Yio Chu Kang Road, Sengkang West Road, Sengkang West Avenue, Jalan Kayu, Sengkang West Way, Sengkang East Way, Sengkang East Road and Sengkang Square

Service 503:
Sengkang > Jurong East

Sengkang Square, Compassvale Road, Compassvale Street, Punggol Road, Tampines Expressway, Central Expressway, Yio Chu Kang Road, Yio Chu Kang Link, Boundary Road, Upper Serangoon Road, Pan Island Expressway, Jurong Town Hall Road, Boon Lay Way, Jurong East Central and Jurong Gateway Road

Demand for both Service 502 and 503: Extremely high

Path Light SG

I agree also. A faster alternative route to Marina Centre is 857. I think too many duplication for Svc 171.

Bukit Panjang - Orchard: 190, 972
Bukit Panjang - Marina Centre: 960

I will think that Svc 171 is the service that will be amended... Maybe extend to Yew Tee besides with the extension to 983?

171 can join 857

SBS9252G SG

Bad job for 171. 171 is a catchy route from Yishun to Marina Centre. Hopefully 171 can be extended to Shenton Way

Nope. BPJ is quite well connected to Orchard, CBD and Marina

Path Light SG

Service 171:

Jurong East > Shenton Way

Note that "Green" is new bus stops

Jurong Gateway Road

Jurong East Central

Jurong Town Hall Road

Ayer Rajah Expressway

Central Expressway

Outram Road

Eu Tong Sen Street

Hill Street

Victoria Street

Bras Basah Road

Raffles Boulevard

Bayfront Avenue

Central Boulevard

Shenton Way

Palmer Road

AJQZC SG

Bukit Panjang - Orchard: 190, 972
Bukit Panjang - Marina Centre: 960

I will think that Svc 171 is the service that will be amended... Maybe extend to Yew Tee besides with the extension to 983?

Let's consider some key points on the 171 route.

- C-G directly follows DTL2, and has the most duplications. C-F follows 67 & 170, while G-I follows 700. However, C-B-F-H is more effectively served by 190, 700 and 972. Also, A-E-D is back-uped by 852.

- Most of the demand is between A-C/D. Some demand for D/E-H; depending on the Newton MRT transit area, this may or may not be transferred over to DTL.

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Consider the transport links without 171 (A-C is only served by 171, and must remain):

Thus, if rationalisation is desireable, a suitable cutting point would be near D or E, with additional links for E-B and E-H/I.

AJQZC SG

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Possible adjustment of 171:

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Possible adjustment to other services:

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Just some wild ideas of course.

The best thing to do right now is to wait for DTL2 opening and observe the change in loading before attempting any amendments.

SBS2652G SG

Let's consider some key points on the 171 route.

- C-G directly follows DTL2, and has the most duplications: C-F follows 67 & 170, while G-I follows 700. However, C-B-F-H is more effectively served by 190, 700 and 972. Also, A-E-D is back-uped by 852.

- Most of the demand is between A-C/D. Some demand for D/E-H; depending on the Newton MRT transit area, this may or may not be transferred over to DTL.

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Consider the transport links without 171 (A-C is only served by 171, and must remain):

Thus, if rationalisation is desireable, a suitable cutting point would be near D or E, with additional links for E-B and E-H/I.

wow im impressed

Bussyboy50 SG

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Possible adjustment of 171:

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Possible adjustment to other services:

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Just some wild ideas of course.

The best thing to do right now is to wait for DTL2 opening and observe the change in loading before attempting any amendments.

I don't think you can turn right to Eng Neo Avenue from Bukit Timah Road ?

Only Vehicles from Eng Neo Avenue can turn right to Bukit Timah Road.. still .. not possible to reroute 700.

41 ? Mainly that service is more for "shuttle" between NSL/EWL to DTL station. So extension to Marina Centre may or may not be possible (probably like 858 kind back in 1996, major extension to Changi Airport)

971 Bt Panjang - BKE - PIE - Beauty World seems to be long winded though

kengkia SG

I don't think you can turn right to Eng Neo Avenue from Bukit Timah Road ?

Only Vehicles from Eng Neo Avenue can turn right to Bukit Timah Road.. still .. not possible to reroute 700.

Can do a 77(towards marina centre) from dunearn road to sixth ave; there's a u-turn after sixth ave/bt timah rd traffic light.

AJQZC SG

I don't think you can turn right to Eng Neo Avenue from Bukit Timah Road ?

Only Vehicles from Eng Neo Avenue can turn right to Bukit Timah Road.. still .. not possible to reroute 700.

If you do not consider U-turns, the return journey can be done via Bt Timah Rd --> Adam Rd --> PIE. Of course that'd mean skipping the schools further down unfortunately.

SBS9252G SG

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Possible adjustment of 171:

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Possible adjustment to other services:

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Just some wild ideas of course.

The best thing to do right now is to wait for DTL2 opening and observe the change in loading before attempting any amendments.

If cutting at point C, surely LTA and SMRT will do something with 852.

Cutting with D to KRT doesn't really duplicate with 184, but from C'wealth Ave West onwards duplicates 201.

Actually the idea of merger with 41 is out.

array88 SG

There are enough buses covering Clementi - West Coast, Jurong East - West Coast and Clementi - Jurong East ... so unless there's sufficient demand between Yew Tee and Clementi / West Coast, there's not quite a need for the Jurong East - Clementi section.

Also consider that 160, 176 and 184 are quite easily available near Bt Panjang MRT Station.

West Coast Highway does need a new service.

array88 SG

On 171:

- Newton is NOT an interchange between NSL and DTL.

(Bukit Panjang is also not an interchange beween DTL and BPLRT but I would not elaborate here)

- The only transfer linkway at NSL Newton is near Exit A (at the right-angle turn after the escalator). As it's not feasible to relocate the fare gates (unlike NSL/CCL Marina Bay), this means that whoever wants to transfer from NSL and DTL will need to tap out at NSL, go to the transfer linkway, and tap in again at DTL.

- If you go to DTL Newton Exit C at Bt Timah Rd, you will see the station code is only DT11, without NS21.

- Bus stop at Bt Timah Rd has separate sighboards for DTL and NSL.

- If I'm not wrong, LTA did mention that fare calculation methods will be adjusted when DTL opens. But still, be mentally prepared that a 'transfer' between DTL and NSL will not be counted.

- Agree mostly with AJQZC, but:

- 171 is the only service from Bukit Timah to Newton NSL (besides 700 that serves some bus stops). Which is important due to inconvenient transfers between DTL and NSL; and those going to City Hall / Raffles Place can also transfer to NSL as well. (similarly 700 is also an important service connectiong to Newton NSL - I will post in loading levels thread later.)

- 171 is also the only service from Bukit Timah to Bukit Panjang interior. This is often used by students in schools along Bukit Timah, although its populatiry remains uncertain after DTL opens.

jurongresident SG

West Coast Highway does need a new service.

West Coast Highway is already so fucked up during peak hours. Always have traffic jams. I do not think it is wise to have another bus service there.

SBS9252G SG

On 171:

- Newton is NOT an interchange between NSL and DTL.

(To be continued)

Erm it is. Newton is interchange between NSL and DTL.

dupdup77 SG

On 171:

- Newton is NOT an interchange between NSL and DTL.

(Bukit Panjang is also not an interchange beween DTL and BPLRT but I would not elaborate here)

- If you go to DTL Newton Exit C at Bt Timah Rd, you will see the station code is only DT11, without NS21.

- Bus stop at Bt Timah Rd has separate sighboards for DTL and NSL.

- If I'm not wrong, LTA did mention that fare calculation methods will be adjusted when DTL opens. But still, be mentally prepared that a 'transfer' between DTL and NSL will not be counted.

- Agree mostly with AJQZC, but:

- 171 is also the only service from Bukit Timah to Bukit Panjang interior. This is often used by students in schools along Bukit Timah, although its populatiry remains uncertain after DTL opens.

Hi mr array88, Newton is an interchange between NSL and DTL. Don't worry. The fares will be adjusted and just be mentally prepared that a transfer will be counted when the time comes by. Cheers. Thanks.

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