Route Suggestions (Part 6)

last SG · 2015-07-28T14:42:23+00:00

Hi mr pathlight, there is northeast MRT line. Cheers.Or Service 47: Joo Koon > Sengkang

carbikebus SG

Its because they dont want another 190-like service,Where the usage of buses and manpower is overwhelming when they already built so many rail lines that in some way is windings.

TIB868X SG

Its because they dont want another 190-like service,Where the usage of buses and manpower is overwhelming when they already built so many rail lines that in some way is windings.

routes like 190 serve way too many groups and patterns of commute at once, sometimes overlapping. thats why sometimes resources are poorly used, extra buses are pumped in to cater for the overcrowded sectors which are a result of overlapping patterns of commute for many people, resulting in wasted capacity for other parts of the route..

eg: CCK > BPJ, CCK > town, BPJ > town

routes should be clear in who they should be serving, point to point.

carbikebus SG

eg: CCK > BPJ, CCK > town, BPJ > town

routes should be clear in who they should be serving, point to point.

And during peak hours its only uni direction compared to off peak..

AJQZC SG

Route length should be a second consideration for bus services if:

#1 - The service uses expressways to provide a faster journey between 2 - 3 residential estates in Singapore. (Services 39, 85, 161, 168, 965, 966 & 969 are not the shortest of bus services but provide relatively useful connections between the eastern, north-eastern and northern regions of Singapore)

#2 - The service has two terminating points to effectively regulate frequency levels and cater to the deployment of additional buses if necessary.

989 was the longest bus service in Singapore (even longer than 51/61) when in operation and remained a popular choice of travel for the residents of Choa Chu Kang and Bukit Batok to the eastern parts of Singapore until its withdrawal. Thus, route length should be a lower consideration when designing modern day bus services after the consideration of the overall reduced travel time and popularity/demand of the proposed services. Granted, if a permanent bus terminal was built in Changi Airport that allowed termination of bus services, 989 would probably be more efficient, and so are the current long distance airport-bound services such as 24, 53 and 858.

It is nevertheless agreed that 14/51/61 could definitely be split given that no one will take them end-to-end to get to their destinations.

And it is sad if LTA don't think that expressway services, even if of slightly longer distance, could really work out and possibly help in alleviating the high demand of the rail network.

Agreed, and once again it would be helpful to have an express service linking Toa Payoh and Tampines / Airport, for the PIE bus stop (Trellis Twrs) to be an effective interchange stop.

As for splitting ... do any of 10, 196, 197, 961 warrant cutting as well? And what about 30, it is about as long as 51 and 61, but has a short express sector, so would that qualify it as an express by the two criteria you mentioned?

SMB1368T SG

I was talking about 889 which links between TPY and airport though. You may refer to pg 69 for its route details

SBS7557R SG

eg: CCK > BPJ, CCK > town, BPJ > town

routes should be clear in who they should be serving, point to point.

If that's the case, there are many semi-express services that are currently similar in style to sv190. Isn't it? That also includes two recent bus services that the LTA introduced under BSEP.

Sv3: Tampines > Pasir Ris > Punggol
Sv27: Hougang > Sengkang > Tampines > Changi Airport
Sv34: Punggol > Tampines > Changi Airport
Sv39: Tampines > Pasir Ris > Yishun
Sv53: Bishan > Hougang > Pasir Ris > Changi Airport
Sv85: Punggol > Sengkang > Yishun
Sv89: Hougang > Sengkang > Pasir Ris > Changi Airfreight Ctr
Sv89e: Hougang > Sengkang > Changi Airfreight Ctr
Sv117: Punggol > Yishun > Sembawang
Sv118: Punggol > Tampines > Changi Business Park
Sv161: Hougang > Sengkang > Woodlands
Sv168: Bedok > Tampines > Woodlands
Sv858: Woodlands > Sembawang > Yishun > Changi Airport
Sv965: Woodlands > Yishun > Sengkang
Sv969: Woodlands > Yishun > Tampines

It is also true that many of these services have faster alternatives that overlap one another as well:

Tampines to Punggol: 34 or 118 instead of 3
Tampines to Yishun: 969 instead of 39
Hougang to Changi Airfreight Ctr via Sengkang: 89e instead of 89
Sengkang to Woodlands: 161 instead of 965
Tampines to Woodlands: 168 instead of 969

Sv117/118 were both rolled out under BSEP and passed by Yishun first before going to Sembawang and Tampines first before going to Changi Business Park respectively. If the LTA really dislike such extensive detouring, why is 117 routed to pass through Yishun and why is 118 routed to pass through Tampines? While 117 is partially limited by the road structure in Seletar Aerospace Park, 118 could have just used TPE, PIE and Upp Changi Rd East instead for maximum speed and reduced travel time.

Nevertheless, some of the semi-express services listed above, agreeably, do require some level of reorganization and rearrangement to improve their efficiencies and reduce the amount of detouring.

For sv190, one good solution will be to have an Express 190E that plies the same route as sv190, but skips Bukit Panjang totally (using Woodlands Rd > KJE > BKE or Upp Bt Timah Rd > Dairy Farm Rd > BKE). Bukit Panjang is currently also served by sv700/A and sv972, so an additional service between Bukit Panjang and CBD is not necessary.

carbikebus SG

None of those service go to cbd anyway..and none will reach 40-42 bus fleets.

carbikebus SG

And none is comparable in term of timings to MRT..one of the bloody reason why they cut svc 989.

dupdup77 SG

If that's the case, there are many semi-express services that are currently similar in style to sv190. Isn't it? That also includes two recent bus services that the LTA introduced under BSEP.

It is also true that many of these services have faster alternatives that overlap one another as well:

Tampines to Punggol: 34 or 118 instead of 3
Tampines to Yishun: 969 instead of 39
Punggol to Yishun: 117 instead of 85
Hougang to Changi Airfreight Ctr via Sengkang: 89e instead of 89
Sengkang to Woodlands: 161 instead of 965
Tampines to Woodlands: 168 instead of 969

Nevertheless, some of the semi-express services listed above, agreeably, do require some level of reorganization and rearrangement to improve their efficiencies and reduce the amount of detouring.

Hi mr SBS7557R, for Punggol to yishun, sbs 117 is not faster than 85. 89/89E comparison also not very valid. 89E only for certain hours.

For sbs 117/118, not only end to end connection is needed, other catchment areas around tampines ave 8/1 needs to be facilitated for sbs 118,

For smrt 190 and 972, they ply different segments of Bukit panjang before going on PIE towards orchard. Why need to make another special service 190E to skip Bukit panjang? Cheers. Thanks.

SBS 9256 X SG

Hi mr SBS7557R, for Punggol to yishun, sbs 117 is not faster than 85. 89/89E comparison also not very valid. 89E only for certain hours.

For sbs 117/118, not only end to end connection is needed, other catchment areas around tampines ave 8/1 needs to be facilitated for sbs 118,

For smrt 190 and 972, they ply different segments of Bukit panjang before going on PIE towards orchard. Why need to make another special service 190E to skip Bukit panjang? Cheers. Thanks.

Sorry hor dupdup77... I changed from taking Svc 85 back from Punggol to Yishun to now taking Svc 117 back to Yishun...

I prefer Svc 117 to Svc 85... Doesn't matter for SBS7557R is he wants to suggest ppl taking Svc 117 to Yishun or Svc 85 to Yishun...

SBS6853S SG

117 and 85 take the same duration

dupdup77 SG

Sorry hor dupdup77... I changed from taking Svc 85 back from Punggol to Yishun to now taking Svc 117 back to Yishun...

I prefer Svc 117 to Svc 85... Doesn't matter for SBS7557R is he wants to suggest ppl taking Svc 117 to Yishun or Svc 85 to Yishun...

Hi mr sbs9256X, it is not a matter of whose preference. In terms of distance in km and time taken, it is about the same. Cheers. Thanks.

dupdup77 SG

117 and 85 take the same duration

Hi mr sbs6853S, yes I agree. Cheers. Thanks.

AJQZC SG

DTL3 connection route suggestions. To improve links from MRT stations to nearby areas that are lacking in connections.

Service 65M: Queen St Term -- Orchard Rd (loop) (weekends and public holidays)

BusAnalayzer SG

sv 373

Sengkang Interchange

Sengkang Square (exp)

Compassalve Road (2 bus stops)

Compassalve Crescent (2 new bus stops)

Anchorvale St (exp)

Anchorvale Crescent (2 new bus stops)

Anchorvale St (1 new bus stop)

Fernvale St (1 new bus stop)

Fernvale Link (2 new bus stops)

Sengkang West Ave (1 bus stop)

Fernvale Road (1 new bus stop opp of Seletar Mall)

Sengkang West Way (1 bus stop)

Jalan Kayu (1 bus stop)

Sengkang West Ave (2 bus stops)

Fernvale Link and back via Fernvale st, Anchorvale/Compassalve Crescent.

* 373 acts as MRT feeder for Anchorvale/Compassalve Crescent

* Acts as intra-town to connect sports complex, upcoming hospital, schools, Seletar Mall, Jalan Kayu to Anchorvale and Compassalve

* Provides door-step connection to Fernvale St, Link and Road residents.

SBS8002T SG

Svc 244 Boon Lay Interchange - Jurong West Street 61 (Frontier Primary School) (Loop) via Jurong West Street 64/65/63, Pioneer Road North and Boon Lay Way

Boon Lay Interchange

Jurong West Street 64:
Blk 669CP

Jurong West Street 65:
Boon Lay Secondary School
Blk 667

Jurong West Street 63
Blk 658C
Blk 651A (Pioneer MRT)

Pioneer Road North
Blk 653B

Boon Lay Way
Blk 655

Jurong West Street 61
Opp Frontier Primary School

Jurong West Street 63
Blk 608

Jurong West Street 65
Blk 618
Opp Boon Lay Secondary School

Jurong West Street 64
Blk 685B

Boon Lay Interchange

Advantages: Give residents along Street 65 a bus to Boon Lay and Pioneer MRT without having to walk to Avenue 4 or Street 63, provides a direct bus connection from Boon Lay Sec to Boon Lay Int/Pioneer MRT, provides a connection from Street 65 to Frontier Primary.

Disadvantages: May not receive moderate to high demand at all, even during AM peak and during after school hours

Note: I originally wanted this service to call at an extra pair of bus stops near the roundabout at Jurong West Sec but I'm not sure if 12 metre buses can turn there

Words in blue = New bus stops along Street 61 and 65 for Svc 244

Suggested fleet: Full single deck fleet, estimated runtime: 25mins (may be 20-30mins depending on time of day), average frequency 08-12mins during weekday off peak, 07 mins during weekday peak and after school hours

Suggested shifts:
Weekdays: 3AM-3PM / 1E / 1T (5 buses)
Weekday School Holidays: 3AM-3PM / 2S (5 buses)
Weekends/PH: 3AM-3PM / 1T (4 buses)

Sbs6750E SG

sv 373

Sengkang Interchange

Sengkang Square (exp)

Compassalve Road (2 bus stops)

Compassalve Crescent (2 new bus stops)

Anchorvale St (exp)

Anchorvale Crescent (2 new bus stops)

Anchorvale St (1 new bus stop)

Fernvale St (1 new bus stop)

Fernvale Link (2 new bus stops)

Sengkang West Ave (1 bus stop)

Fernvale Road (1 new bus stop opp of Seletar Mall)

Sengkang West Way (1 bus stop)

Jalan Kayu (1 bus stop)

Sengkang West Ave (2 bus stops)

Fernvale Link and back via Fernvale st, Anchorvale/Compassalve Crescent.

* 373 acts as MRT feeder for Anchorvale/Compassalve Crescent

* Acts as intra-town to connect sports complex, upcoming hospital, schools, Seletar Mall, Jalan Kayu to Anchorvale and Compassalve

* Provides door-step connection to Fernvale St, Link and Road residents.

Good suggestion, but I will provide some feedbacks: 1. Very winding to Fernvale, LRT is much faster. 2. No right turn from Compassvale Cres to Sk East Rd. These are my suggestions: 1. Extend feeder 372 to Compassvale Cres via Sengkang MRT, Sk East Rd, Compassvale Street/Crescent/Street and back. Reasons: A. Connects Compassvale Cres residents to Ribervale Plaza Market, Bus services along Punggol Rd, 80, 82, 88 and 163. B. Save resources. 2. Extend feeder 371 to Anchorvale Cres via Sengkang MRT, Sk East Rd, Anchorvale Street, Anchorvale Cres, Anchorvale Street and back. Reasons: A. Connects Anchorvale Cres, where there are huge developments, to Sengkang MRT. B. New direct connection from Rivervale Mall to Anchorvale. 3. Introduce new feeder svc 373 to Fernvale Link/Road via Compassvale Street and Sports complex. Notes: Sv 372 will operate like sv 222 style while sv 371 will operate like sv 307 style.

BusAnalayzer SG

Yes you are right. The route is winding to Fernvale by purpose.

1. Assumption is right turn will open from Compassalve Crescent towards Anchorvale with the new flats opening.

2. Feeder for Anchorvale/Compassalve Crescent.

3. For those at Fenvale take 50/163/102 bus or LRT. Mostly where LRT operates, bus connections to MRT are just back up.

4. The Fernvale loop is to get people to Seletar Mall, worship places along Jalan Kayu, Sengkang Sports Complex, schools and future hospital at Sengkang.

5. It will operate more like 386 on the latter part of route just like 386 connects Punggol Plaza to Edgefield and Edgedale Plains end.

carbikebus SG

No need la since 150 ridership is so low let it loop at Marine Parade Rd and delete svc 15 from going Joo Chiat Pl and Telok Kurau..15 can save time and cut 2 buses while svc 150 no need to go Marine Terrace and can add 1 or 2 more buses.Pax can transfer along Still Rd..

ButIAmAToilet SG

Just going to pull a svc 76 here.

Svc 150 - extend to Parkway Parade

Svc 15 - Ply Still Rd instead of Telok Kurau

Svc 966 - Terminate at Eunos

Svc 150 will be slightly more useful

Svc 15 can use DDs while still serving MP

Svc 966 actually have a terminating point

Schools in MP can be access via svc 55 (MP Rd) and svc 155 (EC Rd)

PP is still accessable via a cap-upgraded Svc 15

Some pax around Telok Kurau and PP will be affected, but overall, makes the services more reliable (966)

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