Loading level on buses

last SG · 2014-02-18T00:10:26+00:00

11-4 pax from Lor 1,Stadium 3 alight then 1 last Stadium stop 7 pax,Sims before terminal 1 boarding all the way to Lor 1Ooh la la...

array88 SG

I went to Bedok interchange to specially check on 225G loading and click pictures. This is maybe the 6th time I observe that buses on 225G (DDs) leave the interchange with almost full upper deck.

Please see above 2 pictures as pictures don't lie. I think this should put an end to people saying DDs on 225 are useless. I have said this before and say it now. Please go and observe yourself how well the DDs are getting used during peak hours, and how one DD clears the queue while SDs have pax left over.

Observed 4 DDs at 18.25 (3721J) = 96 pax, 18.40 (3682M) = 101 pax, 18.55 (3721J) = 86 pax, 19.06 (3682M) = 105 pax.

As you can see the 4 trips I observed in peak hour time between 18.20 and 19.10, on an average got 95 pax on bus.

I think its high time we stop complaining about upper decks not being used. If it can do so well on the shortest feeder in Singapore, I am sure it will do well on others as well. No wonder 225W got a BSEP DD add. I could not observe 225W but only can say queues were pretty long for 225W as well.

On the contrary two sv 18 buses I saw while entering and leaving interchange, both left Bedok interchange with 02 and 08 pax respectively. What a waste of resource!

I typed a long essay just now but it was lost due to a technical error... Anyway, my points are:

1. Sv 18's loading was not bad before Bedok Int opened because of the bus stop at Bedok town centre. Also many people take 18 from Ave 2 towards Tampines during PM.

2. IMO there have to be some services which may not have good loadings but provide unique links/connections.

3. IMO, not all feeders or services functioning like feeders are suitable for DDs: it all depends on the habits of the commuters.

carbikebus SG

Svc 18 loadings is better than before but not till the extend like heavy loadings..Still dependable svc else would have been amended or chopped long time ago

BusAnalayzer SG

Bro peak hour standard loadings,even 358 also packed to the door during 1800-1920

I know that... my point was to illustrate full upper deck and carrying 90+ pax... as many of you including you said 225 should not have DDs... This is just to say if you see loading.. and how it clears the loads... it definitely justifies DDs.. If only SDs you will see very long queues... and people will complain.

Heaprily SG

...

carbikebus SG

SBST bo bian mah,Only use SDs and DDs so best choice is DD..Pax also bo bian,Dont move upstairs cannot board,Bus will delay

carbikebus SG

Where did you get this information from? Where do they live? New dorms built for them?

You dont believe i also dont force you,But my Uncle's unit neighbours is 1 Indian,1 China and 1 Filipino famlies...

dupdup77 SG

You dont believe i also dont force you,But my Uncle's unit neighbours is 1 Indian,1 China and 1 Filipino famlies...

Hi mr carbikebus, I believe you. I stayed in Punggol and I see many Indian, Chinese and Filipino families around and of course living here in HDB flats. Cheers.

carbikebus SG

Some of us dont realise where the 6.9m target come from..We Singaporeans already migrate so Govt import these ppl la

vodafone27 SG

Departing from Tampines will definitely have a higher load than from Bedok from sv 18.

Connection from Bedok Int - up to bedok reservoir, there's more frequent services like 69,168. Lets say coming from the MRT, i would choose to wait at the bus stop outside the MRT for sv 28, 67 instead of waiting for sv 18 in the int.

However from tampines int 6pm onwards till late night, ppl living along tampines ave 7, or up to tampines ave 2, would choose to wait at the 18/28/38 berth. Yes, there's alternatives like sv 8, 81. However, many ppl would choose to wait at the 18/28/38 berth as they have 2 alternatives, 18/38.

Yes, sv 18 might not have high load travelling towards Bedok, however, its more of a service that links up ppl for transfer to other services. I think its 10-15min frequency is sufficient. Resources might be wasted, but its benefits to the residents is there

AM peak - Blk 302 - Safra bus stop ( transfer to sv5/23,65 etc)
PM peak - Tamp Int - Blk 302 (Compliments sv 38)

array88 SG

But for Bedok North Ave 2 residents, sv 18 is the only service that goes ti Bedok Reservoir MRT.

dupdup77 SG

But for Bedok North Ave 2 residents, sv 18 is the only service that goes ti Bedok Reservoir MRT.

Hi mr array88, this type of conversation will have no final conclusion. One man's meat may be another guy's poison. The authorities will have the final say as they got the records collected from the ezylink data of commuters. When they have the service running and not made any amendments, they have reasons to justify. What we commuters see may only be certain loadings at certain timings and be half the picture only.

When they do planning, they see the whole town and its connection as a whole. No authorities in the world will like to lose $ on a regular basis if a service is running low on commuters day in and day out. When they have such a service, they will look at its threshold limit for basic level of subsistence. Eventually, they will even see if some other bus services will be able to cover up for the 'so called money losing service'. If there is a need to provide that service based on connectivity issues, they will have already done their homework to cover up for this loss. Cheers.

BusAnalayzer SG

Loading observation on 121

Bus arrived at Tiong Bahru Plaza from NBR with 3 pax on board. Only 1 alighted. 2 still on bus.

121

Huge crowd boarding bus

121

Bus fully seated with 3-4 standees

121

121 making good money between Tiong Bahru and Tehlok Blangah Rise. AM load even higher than PM load.

121 losing money betwee Tiong Bahru and NBR

If I were LTA, I would have modified 121 to start from Buona Vista via the new 122 route to Tiong Bahru and follow on to Tehlok Blangah instead of introducing a brand new service. But it is all about numbers and show, as well :D

array88 SG

I happened to be at Anson Rd/Robinson Rd from 6.15pm to 7pm yesterday (4 Mar).

Some observations: (might not be always true)

- Premium services generally have good loadings -- that means, regardless of the size of the bus, most premium buses would be almost fully seated by the time they reach the last bus stop along Robinson Rd (opp AIA Twr). (Note: in the following paragraphs, I'll refer to this bus stop as "at Robinson Rd", as most of my observations are from here.)

On the contrary, City Direct services have poorer loadings and buses are usually only half seated at the same bus stop.

(Besides the fact that City Direct services are generally quite new, I think this kind of situation is also because of private operators... These services would have done so much better if they are converted to express services run by the PTOs.)

- Sv 128's loading seems to have increased slightly compared to last year. The second 128 bus was fully seated at Robinson Rd, and of course it will pick up some more pax ain Orchard... Last time the buses used to be almost empty.

- Sv 196e actually has good loading... Generally the Citaros will be at least fully seated at Robinson Rd. For yesterday, the third bus, which was a KUB cameoed on 196e, was almost packed to the door and people had difficulty boarding the bus (although it was late by 8 mins)

I did observe some other services and took photos, but I couldn't quite remember the observation... If you have interest in loadings of certain services, you may ask here and I'll try to recall. Also I'm planning to visit there again a few weeks later, so I may check the requested services more thoroughly.

array88 SG

Loading observation on 121

Bus arrived at Tiong Bahru Plaza from NBR with 3 pax on board. Only 1 alighted. 2 still on bus.

121

Huge crowd boarding bus

121

Bus fully seated with 3-4 standees

121

121 making good money between Tiong Bahru and Tehlok Blangah Rise. AM load even higher than PM load.

121 losing money betwee Tiong Bahru and NBR

Actually a significant portion of demand for sv 121 is from Tiong Bahru MRT to Kim Tian Rd... Sometimes half of the people who board at Tiong Bahru alight at Kim Tian Rd. Not saying that it's useless in Telok Blangah, it is equally popular there as well

array88 SG

At 6.38pm yesterday, a 201 SD towards Kent Ridge reached Clementi MRT with about 35 pax. All alighted and 30+ pax boarded. Later at 6.42pm, a 201 DD towards Pandan Gdns turned from Clementi Ave 2 to Commonwealth Ave West with upper deck fully seated and lower deck with quite a lot of standees.

BusAnalayzer SG

Loading observation at Jurong East Interchange for sv 78 on Tues 03/Mar

7.20 - 3360S - 72p

7.25 - 9611D - 75p

7.33 - 3061E - 101p

7.39 - 3386T - 96p

7.42 - 3765H - 54p

7.49 - 3021X - 72p

7.55 - 8986D - 44p (the only SD observed in AM)

7.58 - 3063A - 43p (78A - this was the first SWT bus, surprising considering that the first bus is after the heavy loading winds down)

* Main loading for sv 78 is from 07.00am to 07.50am... I think coz the work/shift already starts at 8am in Penjuru.

* On another note, observed sv 79 does not get packed buses at Jurong East, but its main load rather comes from Boon Lay. So people prefer taking 3 stops further to Boon Lay than taking 79 from JE!!

carbikebus SG

Busanal,Can u observe svc 980 & 981?

proudtobeme SG

I typed a long essay just now but it was lost due to a technical error... Anyway, my points are:

1. Sv 18's loading was not bad before Bedok Int opened because of the bus stop at Bedok town centre. Also many people take 18 from Ave 2 towards Tampines during PM.

2. IMO there have to be some services which may not have good loadings but provide unique links/connections.

3. IMO, not all feeders or services functioning like feeders are suitable for DDs: it all depends on the habits of the commuters.

i live along sv 18 route and i have my own thought.

i wud say sv 18 load depend a lot on if bus come bef or not. sv 18 frequency very bad. only uniqye part is ave 2 in bedok where it is only trunk. rest route full copy of other service.

got service 8 till safra with better frequency and got sv 168 from safra to bedok. got sv 59 and 28 cover big part of route also.

i not say sv 18 be remove but i want sv 18 to do bedok reservoir view. bto flat there no bus and walk long distance. i got friend who always complain.

i also agree that bus is empty most bet bedok and safra. get more peop from safra nd tamp cc to tamp. also again depend on sv 8 and 38 call time.

can do much better with sv 18 route - u no think so?

proudtobeme SG

Loading observation at Jurong East Interchange for sv 78 on Tues 03/Mar

7.20 - 3360S - 72p

7.25 - 9611D - 75p

7.33 - 3061E - 101p

7.39 - 3386T - 96p

7.42 - 3765H - 54p

7.49 - 3021X - 72p

7.55 - 8986D - 44p (the only SD observed in AM)

7.58 - 3063A - 43p (78A - this was the first SWT bus, surprising considering that the first bus is after the heavy loading winds down)

* Main loading for sv 78 is from 07.00am to 07.50am... I think coz the work/shift already starts at 8am in Penjuru.

* On another note, observed sv 79 does not get packed buses at Jurong East, but its main load rather comes from Boon Lay. So people prefer taking 3 stops further to Boon Lay than taking 79 from JE!!

i observe load on clementi side for 78 also very high till 8am then go down. i no count but see bus take 3 min to get full. that y cud be 78a intro later coz no need high freq to clementi when pax go low already. got my point?

proudtobeme SG

You dont believe i also dont force you,But my Uncle's unit neighbours is 1 Indian,1 China and 1 Filipino famlies...

there also many malay, thai and indonesian . i see not very gud skill and low educated person come near my bto. earlier tamp av 2 bto have mostly singaporean resident or pr. now lot of working class peop belong to neighbour country come.

« Previous Page Next Page »