Loading level on buses

last SG · 2014-02-18T00:10:26+00:00

11-4 pax from Lor 1,Stadium 3 alight then 1 last Stadium stop 7 pax,Sims before terminal 1 boarding all the way to Lor 1Ooh la la...

Path Light SG

334's loading very high, more than 88 during peak hours

array88 SG

That's because this observation was done at the wrong hour of the day. Anyway, those who also use Boon Lay Bus Interchange would know what I mean. It's usually around 7-8pm, where there would be very long queues for bus services 243G, 243W, 241, etcetera. Anyway, that's also when frequency is lower. Maybe that's why.

Agree. Last time when I took 181 at 8pm it was still packed to the door (SD) with 20-30 pax in queue... I think peak for feeder services starts later than trunk services as people will need to travel from CBD etc to the respective bus interchanges/MRT first.

BusAnalayzer SG

By the way 181 loading between 6-7pm also has every bus getting 80-100 pax... Since it is not qualified as a feeder.. LTA hasn't randomly added buses... This is in the same time period when I observed 243W... and you see the loading.

Remember that PM peak for feeders is longer... Starts at 5.45pm and extends upto 8pm... depending on where people's work place is...

BusAnalayzer SG

972 deserves the 27 DDs and 190 needs more DDs.

Here is the observation from Thu 05/Nov from Whitley road bus stop. The way I analyzed is using the app after the bus has left Whitley road bus stop.

18.44 - 190 - DD (yellow)

18.46 - 972 - DD (green)

18.48 - 190 - SD (red)

18.51 - 972 - DD (yellow)

18.54 - 190 - DD (yellow)

18.54 - 190 - BD (yellow)

18.55 - 700 - SD (yellow)

18.58 - 190 - DD (yellow)

19.01 - 972 - DD (yellow)

19.05 - 700 - SD (yellow)

19.07 - 190 - DD (yellow)

19.11 - 972 - DD (yellow)

19.11 - 972 - DD (red)

19.11 - 190 - SD (red)

19.12 - 700 - SD (yellow)

19.17 - 190 - DD (red)

19.17 - 190 - SD (red)

19.19 - 972 - DD (yellow)

19.23 - 700 - SD (yellow)

19.25 - 972 - DD (yellow)

19.25 - 190 - SD (red)

19.29 - 190 - DD (red)

* In a span of 45 mins, following is the observation:

(190) - (12 buses) - (frequency 03-04 mins) - (7 DDs, 1 BD, 4 SDs) - (6R, 6Y, 0G)

(700) - (04 buses) - (frequency 10 mins) - (4 SDs) - (0R, 4Y, 0G)

(972) - (08 buses) - (frequency 05-06 mins) - (8 DDs) - (1R, 6Y, 1G)

* If you see apart from 1 bus on 972 no other bus had green after departing Whitley road bus stop. Also note the fantastic frequency. There is a service every 01-02 mins to BPJ town from Whitley, and the observations does not include 960.

* No wonder LTA added another 3 DDs to 972

* Now SMRT needs to convert SD->DD because clearly every SD is packed to door.

* What also amuses me is that people know there will be a bus behind, mostly a DD and still are ready to cramp into a SD

* When 2 buses arrive, people distribute evenly among 2 buses to board. In one instance for 972 the latter bus got so full because a lot of people alighted from 153/154 and ran to 972 to board. So bus in back did not have any more space.

* Also note, my observation may be at the most prime time; at other times buses may not have such high loading.

* sv 700 had lot of space on every bus. I think loading would be around 45-55 pax. Clearly, 972 has taken away 700's loading.

jurongresident SG

In my opinion, this is how I think the loading would be like on bus service 258:

For the section between Pioneer MRT Station and Joo Koon Bus Interchange, it is likely that throughout the day, the loading is very low - usually zero, sometimes a handful.

For the section between Pioneer MRT Station and Jurong West Street 82, there should be around forty people taking it during peak hours. During non-peak hours, this number may be as low as... less than five. The connection of 258 to Pioneer MRT Station may encourage some of the people to change to take 258.

carbikebus SG

So 868 definitely warrants the 2 DDs... so you got to sit in the brand new MAN A95 :)

868 in fact need another trip for both Am/Pm trips.A22 will do,1st trip DD,2nd trip DD last trip SD.

Path Light SG

171's loading to high. Need DDs (Like 77, 173 and 970)

TPS Timothy Mok SG

Loading observation on 257 at Boon Lay Interchange

18.20 - 12p

18.23 - 01p

18.35 - 17p

18.43 - 06p

** Extremely shocking. All buses got <20 pax. I always thought 257 had better loading to st 61/62. Also it looks like 243W loading also is more after st 62. If it was at st 62, then people could have taken 257 also or maybe were stuck in 243W queue. No idea but loading seems really bad on 257 between Boon Lay and Pioneer.

EZ Link card data allows us to shorten. Commuters are not inconvenienced as they can take the MRT to Pioneer.

lemon1974 SG

972 deserves the 27 DDs and 190 needs more DDs.

Here is the observation from Thu 05/Nov from Whitley road bus stop. The way I analyzed is using the app after the bus has left Whitley road bus stop.

18.44 - 190 - DD (yellow)

18.46 - 972 - DD (green)

18.48 - 190 - SD (red)

18.51 - 972 - DD (yellow)

18.54 - 190 - DD (yellow)

18.54 - 190 - BD (yellow)

18.55 - 700 - SD (yellow)

18.58 - 190 - DD (yellow)

19.01 - 972 - DD (yellow)

19.05 - 700 - SD (yellow)

19.07 - 190 - DD (yellow)

19.11 - 972 - DD (yellow)

19.11 - 972 - DD (red)

19.11 - 190 - SD (red)

19.12 - 700 - SD (yellow)

19.17 - 190 - DD (red)

19.17 - 190 - SD (red)

19.19 - 972 - DD (yellow)

19.23 - 700 - SD (yellow)

19.25 - 972 - DD (yellow)

19.25 - 190 - SD (red)

19.29 - 190 - DD (red)

* In a span of 45 mins, following is the observation:

(190) - (12 buses) - (frequency 03-04 mins) - (7 DDs, 1 BD, 4 SDs) - (6R, 6Y, 0G)

(700) - (04 buses) - (frequency 10 mins) - (4 SDs) - (0R, 4Y, 0G)

(972) - (08 buses) - (frequency 05-06 mins) - (8 DDs) - (1R, 6Y, 1G)

* No wonder LTA added another 3 DDs to 972

* Now SMRT needs to convert SD->DD because clearly every SD is packed to door.

* What also amuses me is that people know there will be a bus behind, mostly a DD and still are ready to cramp into a SD

* Also note, my observation may be at the most prime time; at other times buses may not have such high loading.

* sv 700 had lot of space on every bus. I think loading would be around 45-55 pax. Clearly, 972 has taken away 700's loading.

yes... but the problem is that 972 buses does not do downroute during PM peak... so all 27 buses will be almost empty when travelling to town...you can see 6-7 972 travelling to town in space of 20 mins(almost all are empty) would rather half of them do downroute directly from dhoby ghaut.... thus cutting some travelling time and enable more trips...

BusAnalayzer SG

This I agree. They should operate 14 buses on 972 and 11 buses on 972A. This way can cut 2 buses due to downroute.

In PM also do same.. have 11 buses start from YMCA and have 14 buses do the full route.

I don't think LTA really cares about profit right now. Hence, 27 buses have been deployed on 972 to cater to the peak direction loading.

700 on the other hand did not have many people boarding, though there was a 700 after 10 mins and that too all SDs in the time span I observed. Each bus had enough space compared to all DDs on 190/972 that had at least 80 pax, some even +100

carbikebus SG

They didnt wanna hear public complains thats all,Give 7 mins per bus people not happy,give 3 mins per bus also people not happy,so how?

array88 SG

[NOTE: The following was done on Friday, 6 November.]

Loading on 961 (SMB1374A) from Bt Timah Rd (Sixth Ave Ctr) at 7.10am

(Just for fun)

Bt Timah Rd - [+6] 41, [-2] 39, [-1+2] 40, [-1+2] 41, [-3+2] 40, [-1+2] 42

Upp Bt Timah Rd - [-6+9] 45, [-2+2] 45, [-1] 44, [+2] 46, 46, [-2+2] 46, [+1] 47, [-5+1] 43, [-3+1] 41, [-1] 40, [-8] 32, [-7+1] 26, [-2] 24 (I alighted here - one stop before Bukit Panjang MRT)

Loading on 700 (SMB1418H) from Bt Panjang at 8.22am

(I know it's a bit too late because I was snapping photos at Bukit Panjang earlier, but just to see how the loading pattern is like. The two DDs on 700 (25 min before this) probably got twice the loading of this, judging by my observation at Bukit Panjang)

Bt Panjang Rd - [+14] 14 (two 190 DDs in front), [+3] 17, [+5] 22
Pending Rd - [-2+10] 30

Petir Rd - [+8] 38, [+2] 40, [+4] 44, [-1+1] 44

Whitley Rd - [-4+4] 44

Dunearn Rd - [-5] 39, [+1] 40, 40, 40, [-3+1] 38, [-2+3] 39 (jam)

Newton Rd - [-22+2] 19 (Newton MRT, most people walked to MRT entrance), [-1] 18, [-2+1] 17

Orchard Rd - [-2+1] 16 (Orchard MRT), [-2+1] 15, 15, [-4+4] 15 (Dhoby Ghaut MRT)

- Although main loading comes from Pending and Petir, still slightly less than half of the pax board from Bukit Panjang Rd

- Seems that 700's main purpose is for those going to Newton MRT now (maybe they transfer from there to CBD?); the remaining pax are going to Shenton Way

- Very little boarding / alighting activities at Orchard, I guess because of 190

phillipC SG

There is a strong demand for sv 972. but in another direction you may see a wastage, depends how you view it. as complains by Shawn Ong

demand may drop when DTL 2 starts operation in Dec 27.

BusAnalayzer SG

[NOTE: The following was done on Friday, 6 November.]

Loading on 961 (SMB1374A) from Bt Timah Rd (Sixth Ave Ctr) at 7.10am

(Just for fun)

Bt Timah Rd - [+6] 41, [-2] 39, [-1+2] 40, [-1+2] 41, [-3+2] 40, [-1+2] 42

Upp Bt Timah Rd - [-6+9] 45, [-2+2] 45, [-1] 44, [+2] 46, 46, [-2+2] 46, [+1] 47, [-5+1] 43, [-3+1] 41, [-1] 40, [-8] 32, [-7+1] 26, [-2] 24 (I alighted here - one stop before Bukit Panjang MRT)

Loading on 700 (SMB1418H) from Bt Panjang at 8.22am

Bt Panjang Rd - [+14] 14 (two 190 DDs in front), [+3] 17, [+5] 22
Pending Rd - [-2+10] 30

Petir Rd - [+8] 38, [+2] 40, [+4] 44, [-1+1] 44

Whitley Rd - [-4+4] 44

Dunearn Rd - [-5] 39, [+1] 40, 40, 40, [-3+1] 38, [-2+3] 39 (jam)

Newton Rd - [-22+2] 19 (Newton MRT, most people walked to MRT entrance), [-1] 18, [-2+1] 17

Orchard Rd - [-2+1] 16 (Orchard MRT), [-2+1] 15, 15, [-4+4] 15 (Dhoby Ghaut MRT)

- Although main loading comes from Pending and Petir, still slightly less than half of the pax board from Bukit Panjang Rd

- Seems that 700's main purpose is for those going to Newton MRT now (maybe they transfer from there to CBD?); the remaining pax are going to Shenton Way

- Very little boarding / alighting activities at Orchard, I guess because of 190

If you see my observation for PM, 700 does not get more than 50-55 pax at Whitley while 190/972 go packed houses. Clearly loading has been taken away by 972. With DTL2 coming in, can expect loading to chip off more as those going to Newton will have DTL2. I doubt 972 loading will be affected much as it is very fast for ring road residents to city. They don't need to take feeder to MRT, walk, change etc.

PornAnalyzer SG

WRONG.

proudtobeme SG

week 09-nov

222 09-nov 18.00 from bedok int citaro

bedok int (33), bedok nth st 1 (35), bdk nth av 3 (28), bdk nth rd (30, 25, 19, 14), upp changi rd (16, 17, 26, 24), chai chee (23, 19, 36, 39, 45), upp changi rd (50, 49, 37, 36, 35), bdk nth rd (36, 25, 27, 22), bdk nth av 3 (22), bdk nth st 1 (20)

high point bdk int/bdk mrt - 35

high point bdk mrt/chai chee - 26

high point chai chee/bedok mrt - 50

high point bedok mrt/bedok int - 37

when i alight another citaro right behind got around 8 peop alight.

222 same case like 291-293 now. dd waste la. make full fleet sd with so many bus spam.

proudtobeme SG

229 09-nov 19.00

bedok int (47), chai chee (26, 16), upp changi rd (19), bdk sth rd (20, 22, 14, 12, 8, 8), bdk sth av 3 (6, 6), uec rd (6), bdk sth rd (11, 16, 18, 20, 24, 25, 24, 24), upp changi rd (18), chai chee (17, 21)

high point bdk int/chai chee - 47

high point chai chee/bdk sth rd - 22

high point bdk sth rd/ upp changi - 24

high point chai chee/bdk int - 21

very few peop take 229 from bdk mrt to bdk sth rd. i see svc 12 dd got many peop from tnm to bdk sth rd. peop prefer go tnm to take bus than 229 from bdk?

proudtobeme SG

228 12-nov 17.45

bedok int (38), bdk nth st 1 (42), bdk nth av 3 (45, 45, 46), bdk res rd (44, 38, 36, 23, 15, 8, 9, 8, 12, 11 loop point and turn right, 12, 12, 12, 15, 27, 28, 30, 32), bdk nth av 3 (30, 29, 31), bdk nth st 1 (29)

high point bdk int/bdk res rd - 46

high point bdk res rd/bdk int - 32

no load go to bdk res rd loop point. most go hdb bef bdk nth rd. route same like 66 sia.

proudtobeme SG

225g 12-nov 18.55

bdk int (55)

225w 12-nov 18.58

bdk int (48)

225w 12-nov 19.00

bdk int (23)

225g 12-nov 19.02

bdk int (66)

225g 12-nov 19.04

bdk int (34)

BusAnalayzer SG

225g 12-nov 18.55

bdk int (55)

225w 12-nov 18.58

bdk int (48)

225w 12-nov 19.00

bdk int (23)

225g 12-nov 19.02

bdk int (66)

225g 12-nov 19.04

bdk int (34)

Can you indicate if bus is SD or DD?

Overall BSEP has really improved feeders to a huge extent, that now most feeders do not have super high loading as it is spread across multiple buses. Surprised to see your sv 222 loading. Expected a lot more at that hour... Again maybe because of 4 buses added (guess that's lot)... and + you have 222P :)

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