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11-4 pax from Lor 1,Stadium 3 alight then 1 last Stadium stop 7 pax,Sims before terminal 1 boarding all the way to Lor 1Ooh la la...

dupdup77 SG

I feel that 118 urgently needs a peak-period split for students.

Believe it or not, many of these students reside not in Punggol — they reside in places like Sengkang and Hougang. Take a look at how many students do 31 -> 27 vs. 31 -> 34 andyou will know.

I think it is unfair to leave the majority behind with only the option to transfer at TPE stop, with the following reasons:

I suggest a peak period svc 118P, running towards Sengkang and down to Hougang. Will post this in Route Suggestions soon.

Hi mr SMB128B, people are transferring almost everywhere at all parts of the island. No need to pamper the students until such a stage. Anyway they are not Primary school kids already. Since when the majority is left behind??? With sbs 118, it is made faster for sengkang and Hougang people to transfer as well. Cheers. Thanks.

SMB128B SG

Pamper...

What do you know? I'm not even asking for a new service to Sengkang and Hougang you know. Just a spur of one or two trips. Do you know the time wasted and pressure of transferring? Looking here and there for the bus...

BusAnalayzer SG

12th bus (3608D 55/410) first xover trip only at 6:51pm

Thanks. No wonder there was one DD missing. Seriously, way too many buses!!

phillipC SG

972 is operating 28 buses with 1 A22 as back up.

I feel fleet may stabilize around 27 DDs even after DTL2, as if you see major loading for 972 comes from Senja/Segar/Fajar...

Why would anyone in their right mind do LRT/920/922 --> DTL 2 --> NSL to get to Scotts/Orchard when they can simply do 972. More economical, less hassle, faster.

The services that have to be modified is sv 67. It won't need as many buses in the DTL2 sector, and smart would be to split it into two services so that the Little India - Tampines section can still have high capacity buses.

Look at the number of rigids on 983 as well. They for sure will have to upgrade 983 to full DD fleet sooner or later.

You may be right, Mr BusAnalayzer, still see quite a healthy load on Sv 972 this Saturday towards city.

array88 SG

Note: The following was done on Wednesday, 30 Dec.

Loading on 979 (SMB3141S)

Missed the best timing as I was doing some observations at Bukit Panjang...
(Bus that terminated at Bukit Panjang at 7.44am had around 30 pax alighting)

(7:44) Petir Rd - 0
(7:45) Jelebu Rd - [+1] 1
(7:49) Woodlands Rd - 1, [+3] 4
(opposite 979 had 2 standing, opposite 170 KUB had ~10 standing, opposite 170 Citaro had 5~8 empty seats; 3 mins later, opposite 961 had 5 standing)
(7:58) Choa Chu Kang Dr - 4 (opposite 979 had 15~20 standing)
(7:58) Choa Chu Kang North 5 - 4
(8:00) Choa Chu Kang St 52 - [+17] 21, [+2] 23
(8:02) Choa Chu Kang Dr - [-21+2] 4 (Yew Tee MRT)
(8:04) Choa Chu Kang North 7 - [+1] 5
(8:05) Choa Chu Kang Cres - [+5] 10, [-3+8] 15, [+6] 21 (302 in front), [-1+1] 21
(8:07) Choa Chu Kang North 7 - 21
(8:10) Choa Chu Kang Dr - [-12+1] 10 (Yew Tee MRT; 302 in front had ~20 pax alighting; 70-80 pax waiting outside MRT entrance)
(8:14) Choa Chu Kang St 52 - [-1+2] 11 (opposite 979 had 20-30 pax), 11
(8:16) Choa Chu Kang North 5 - [-1+1] 11 (jam, almost bunched with another 979 in front; that bus had no standees)
(8:20) Choa Chu Kang Dr - [+1] 12
I alighted here.

- All 979 buses are rigids unless otherwise stated. Didn't see any HC buses on that day
- 979's loading in CCK Cres largely depends on whether 302 has called or not... But still have dedicated pax towards Bukit Panjang.

(After I alighted, I crossed the road and took 307 to Yew Tee MRT. Of course it was very late but the bus did get 10 pax standing before reaching Yew Tee MRT. Not sure if earlier loading would be high enough to warrant bendies.)

array88 SG

Note: The following was done on 31 Dec 2015 (New Year's Eve).

New year eve loading on 109 SD (SBS8620J)
I happened to be at Serangoon Int and observed long queues for 109, so I decided to board. Bus behind is 15 mins.
(Technically it's not PM peak)

(16:53) Serangoon Int - 70 (2 pax chose not to board)
Serangoon Ave 2 - [-3] 67
(17:00) Boundary Rd - [-16+4] 55, [-1] 54
(17:03) Yio Chu Kang Link - [+1] 55
(17:03) Yio Chu Kang Rd - 55, 55, [+1] 56, [-2+5] 59, [+7] 66
(17:13) Hougang Ave 9 - [-29+3] 40, [-14+2] 28, [-10] 18
(17:17) Hougang Ave 4 - [-3+1] 16, [-2] 14
(17:20) Buangkok Green - [-3+2] 13, 13
(17:22) Sengkang East Rd - 13, [-2] 11, [-1+2] 12, [-1+1] 12, [+2] 14
(17:30) TPE - 14
(17:36) Pasir Ris Dr 12 - [-2+3] 15
(17:37) Pasir Ris Dr 1 - [-1+2] 16, 16, 16, [+1] 17, [-1] 16, 16, [+3] 19 (Pasir Ris MRT, 17:41 - I alighted here)

- Surprising to see so many pax alighting at Boundary Rd
- Most pax alight at Hougang Ave 9, maybe because of CCL they alight at Serangoon and take 109 (instead of 72/116 at Hougang). Or they were shopping at NEX
- Make sense for DDs as they travel quite long to Hougang Ave 9
- Somehow there were pax boarding at Yio Chu Kang Rd... Guess they're going to Hougang 1 mall

TPS Timothy Mok SG

Note: The following was done on 31 Dec 2015 (New Year's Eve).

New year eve loading on 109 SD (SBS8620J)
I happened to be at Serangoon Int and observed long queues for 109, so I decided to board. Bus behind is 15 mins.
(Technically it's not PM peak)

PM peak is after 5:30pm, i think they change plans abit. Concession people have 7 hours grace period before adult fares apply (for those concession fare expiring in December 31)

carbikebus SG

Problem with 972 is their freq and traffic conditions,2 DDs pass by with half empty then 3rd one you guaranteed see a healthy loadings..15A/P and 10 split is just enough..no need until 29 buses..wasted resource

BusAnalayzer SG

Note: The following was done on 31 Dec 2015 (New Year's Eve).

New year eve loading on 109 SD (SBS8620J)
I happened to be at Serangoon Int and observed long queues for 109, so I decided to board. Bus behind is 15 mins.
(Technically it's not PM peak)

You took the bus on a day when most people take 1/2 day or do not go to work, yet the loading is quite good. This is typical PM loading from S'goon Interchange before 109A kicks in. From 430pm to about 6pm, you have long queues and the KUBs/Citaros are not able to tank the load.

Every bus gets approx. 70 pax and most alight along HG Ave 9. Few alight at Boundary road and this should not be a surprise because there are huge HDBs there and people can alight and walk straight home rather than crossing road with 22/53/315/317. Having said this, if queue on 109 is long many do take 315/317 from interchange to Boundary road as well.

Regarding those boarding at YCK road, this is normal. Especially the stop after AMK Ave 3, you have a good 15-20 people who board, and these are mostly transfer pax from other services. 109 alighting along YCK road is almost 0 or those who board at Boundary road as people prefer the more direct option of 43/43M/70.

carbikebus SG

109 ideal fleet is 10 SDs and 7 DDs..There is plus minus.

BusAnalayzer SG

109 ideal fleet is 10 SDs and 7 DDs..There is plus minus.

I would say 16 buses is good enough, but need 8 DDs, 8 SDs. Need 2 extra DDs to take care of the Serangoon-HG Ave 9 loading, as all the DDs are timed bet 4.30-5.45pm from Changi Village to Serangoon. The first DD starts from Serangoon only around 6pm.

carbikebus SG

Saw 983 DD with full loadings today

SBS 9256 X SG

Saw 983 DD with full loadings today

School started I guess that's why they are deploying DDs on 983...

BusAnalayzer SG

School started I guess that's why they are deploying DDs on 983...

Also note work has started. Last week was between Christmas and NY and many people take holiday to finish off their leave or leave work early to shop etc.

From this week onwards, we should measure the true loading on 47, 117, 118, 979 and 983. Cheers! :)

SMB128B SG

Service 118

-> Punggol Int

Begin: CBP Ter

End: Punggol Int

Time board: 3.00pm

Bus: SBS3519C

All figures exclude myself

CBP Int: 0

CBP Ctrl 2: 3

CS Ave 2: 14 (+11, 3 pax ran for bus)

CS Ave 1: 15

Xilin Ave: 16

Simei Ave: 17 (+1, ITE stop, missed sch hours), 17, 17 (±1)

- TIME CHECK: 3.19pm -

Tamp Ave 1: 16, 20, 34 (-1, +15), 40

Tamp Ave 8: 40, 39

*Tamp Ave 5 stop skipped as it is U/C*

Tamp Ave 10: 39, 39, 38, 38, 36 (-4, +2)

- TIME CHECK: 3.35pm -

[[EXPRESS]]

TPE: 10 (-26, 13-15 of which boarded the 27 ahead)

- TIME CHECK: 3.41pm -

Punggol Way: 10, 6

Punggol Ctrl: 6

Punggol Int: 0 (-6)

- JOURNEY END: 3.51pm -

Comments:

- Only have one thing to say: URGENT NEED FOT PEAK PERIOD SPUR TO SENGKANG AND HOUGANG. The number says it all; need me repeat? Clearly some arrogant user here insists he knows it all and denounces it as being "pampering", further flagging the majority as minority. The world doesnt only turn around your dear little town; there are more people staying elsewhere.

SG5001C SG

47 today noon SBS3417 Full lower deck and 1/4 filled upper deck in Bedok South heading CBP

SMB128B SG

Service 117

-> Sembawang Int

Begin: Punggol Int

End: Sembawang Int

Time board: 4.09pm

Bus: SBS3493S

All figures exclude myself

Punggol Int: 8

Punggol Ctrl: 8

Punggol Way: 8, 12

- TIME CHECK: 4.15pm -

[[EXPRESS]]

Jalan Kayu: 12

- TIME CHECK: 4.22pm -

Piccadilly Rd: 12

*svc 117 spotted opp; around 3 on board*

SA Dr: 14 (+2), 14, 14, 14

- TIME CHECK: 4.28pm -

[[EXPRESS]]

Yishun Ave 1: 14

- TIME CHECK: 4.34pm -

Yishun Ave 1: 16, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15

Yishun Ave 2: 17, 22 (-1, +6; Khatib MRT)

- TIME CHECK: 4.49pm -

Yishun Ave 2: 22, 23, 23 (±7; Yishun MRT)

- TIME CHECK: 4.54pm -

Yishun Ave 2: 22, 20, 18 (-4, +2)

*At Canberra Stn site, two buses spotted opp: a packed 169 A22 followed directly by an empty 117 DD*

Canberra Link: 13

Sembawang Way: 10

Sembawang Dr: 3

Sembawang Int: 0 (-3)

- JOURNEY END: 5.09pm -

Comments:

- Extremely disappointing travel time. 40 mins to Khatib, an hour to Sembawang. BC macam driving golf cart. C'mon, its been two weeks, how long will it take to learn the route! Given how many stops were skipped the ride to Khatib should have been 20 mins or, at max, 25 mins. Cannot imagine the time needed when the new flats kick in at Punggol, Canberra and Ave 1! Fellow friends, do not be fooled by the express sector. The speed is crazy slow. For a svc to be EXPRESS the speed has to be too. We are talking about wide, empty roads here btw. Only then will ppl want to take this in/out of Punggol.

- This svc do not deserve DDs at the Canberra sector. Rather this svc needs FLEET ADD as ppl tend to choose the much more frequent 169 over 117. Only with competitive freq can this svc snatch pax in the northern end.

dupdup77 SG

Service 118

-> Punggol Int

Begin: CBP Ter

End: Punggol Int

Time board: 3.00pm

Bus: SBS3519C

All figures exclude myself

CBP Int: 0

CBP Ctrl 2: 3

CS Ave 2: 14 (+11, 3 pax ran for bus)

CS Ave 1: 15

Xilin Ave: 16

Simei Ave: 17 (+1, ITE stop, missed sch hours), 17, 17 (±1)

- TIME CHECK: 3.19pm -

Tamp Ave 1: 16, 20, 34 (-1, +15), 40

Tamp Ave 8: 40, 39

*Tamp Ave 5 stop skipped as it is U/C*

Tamp Ave 10: 39, 39, 38, 38, 36 (-4, +2)

- TIME CHECK: 3.35pm -

[[EXPRESS]]

TPE: 10 (-26, 13-15 of which boarded the 27 ahead)

- TIME CHECK: 3.41pm -

Punggol Way: 10, 6

Punggol Ctrl: 6

Punggol Int: 0 (-6)

- JOURNEY END: 3.51pm -

Comments:

Hi mr SMB128B, that person who says pampering is me! Your figures given show no need for urgent need to sengkang and Hougang. There is sbs 27 and Sbs 89 to transfer to. There is no such thing as my dear little town. If LTA sees the need to, they will introduce a total new service for Sengkang in future which I believe will come soon. There is no need to resort to such petty ways of talking which is clearly in your mind. There is totally no need to have offsprings of sbs 118. New services should be the way to connect sengkang west especially. Cheers. Thanks.

dupdup77 SG

Service 117

-> Sembawang Int

Begin: Punggol Int

End: Sembawang Int

Time board: 4.09pm

Bus: SBS3493S

All figures exclude myself

Punggol Int: 8

Punggol Ctrl: 8

Punggol Way: 8, 12

- TIME CHECK: 4.15pm -

[[EXPRESS]]

Jalan Kayu: 12

- TIME CHECK: 4.22pm -

Piccadilly Rd: 12

*svc 117 spotted opp; around 3 on board*

SA Dr: 14 (+2), 14, 14, 14

- TIME CHECK: 4.28pm -

[[EXPRESS]]

Yishun Ave 1: 14

- TIME CHECK: 4.34pm -

Yishun Ave 1: 16, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15

Yishun Ave 2: 17, 22 (-1, +6; Khatib MRT)

- TIME CHECK: 4.49pm -

Yishun Ave 2: 22, 23, 23 (±7; Yishun MRT)

- TIME CHECK: 4.54pm -

Yishun Ave 2: 22, 20, 18 (-4, +2)

*At Canberra Stn site, two buses spotted opp: a packed 169 A22 followed directly by an empty 117 DD*

Canberra Link: 13

Sembawang Way: 10

Sembawang Dr: 3

Sembawang Int: 0 (-3)

- JOURNEY END: 5.09pm -

Comments:

Hi mr SMB128B, these are my observations.

Stay in Punggol west -take sbs 117 direct to khatib (35 min)/yishun (40 min)

Stay in punggol east -take sbs 85 direct to Khatib (40 min)yishun (45 min) .

Stay in sengkang east (for those with sbs 85 at doorstep)- take sbs 85 direct to khatib (30 min)/yishun (35 min)

stay in sengkang east (for those with smrt 965 at doorstep)-take SMRT 965 direct to khatib (22 min)/ yishun (28 min).

stay in punggol east/sengkang east (near TPE stop)-take 39/858/969 to khatib (22 min)/ yishun (28 min)

stay in sengkang west -take sbs 85 to khatib (18 min)/ yishun (23 min).

cheers. Thanks.

SMB128B SG

This is what I call self-delusion.

Even when 2/3 of the bus alights at a single stop, still say no need for something to be done.

You wanna know why I suggested a SPUR instead of a new svc?? Becoz I know, conservative dudes like you will kpkb about it! I would love a new svc instead of a spur; that way Sengkang and Hougang residents not only enjoy direct connection to Changi during peak, but all day everyday. I am alr giving a compromise, knowing demand comes mainly during peak. So you are trying to say, a new svc from Hougang to CBP via Sengkang and TPE will do better than spur?

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