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last SG · 2014-02-18T00:10:26+00:00

11-4 pax from Lor 1,Stadium 3 alight then 1 last Stadium stop 7 pax,Sims before terminal 1 boarding all the way to Lor 1Ooh la la...

BusAnalayzer SG

It is a SHAME that LTA is starting to do this...

Now we can forget about any more long-distance services like 117 and 118. Probably the era of short feeders like 324 and 386 will be back... We may even see the 'M' variants converting into normal services and counted as 'new services' again.

They did the same last time around by introducing two services 102 and 324 to Upper Serangoon, which is total waste of resources, when one service could do the job.

dupdup77 SG

It is a SHAME that LTA is starting to do this...

Hi mr array88, sbs 117 and sbs 118 are not long distance route bus services to begin with. Moreover, there is nothing wrong to introduce sbs 324 and 386. They have already informed initially that new towns and those new roads with new HDBs will get bulk of the BSEP introduction for new services. 324 and 386 are practically running on new roads. Cheers. Thanks.

dupdup77 SG

It is a SHAME that LTA is starting to do this...

dupdup77 SG

They did the same last time around by introducing two services 102 and 324 to Upper Serangoon, which is total waste of resources, when one service could do the job.

Hi mr busanalyser, objective is totally different. Sbs 324 main purpose is to connect those roads with new HDB estates in outskirts of Hougang and condos in upper serangoon road to Hougang Mrt. Timing of bus service sbs 324 is as late as 12.30am after midnight primarily to serve residents.

Sbs 102 main objective is to provide another bus service for residents of sengkang west to link up to sengkang and buangkok mrt. Another main purpose is to extend to seletar aerospace park in future once it is getting more developed. The timing is only up to 11.30pm.

And of course, if you keep linking loadings to new bus services (which is fine to me), you will start to face dilemma along the way. Cheers. Thanks.

BusAnalayzer SG

And of course, if you keep linking loadings to new bus services (which is fine to me), you will start to face dilemma along the way. Cheers. Thanks.

I dont agree. 102 can do same route as 324, both essentially serve the same HDBs from Hougang MRT. 102 is needed, 324 is redundand and a luxury.

dupdup77 SG

I dont agree. 102 can do same route as 324, both essentially serve the same HDBs from Hougang MRT. 102 is needed, 324 is redundand and a luxury.

Hi mr busanalyser, there is another major difference. One is a trunk service and one is a feeder service. Fare calculation is a difference.

Another difference is feeder services do later timing than trunk service. Not feasible to operate sbs 102 until way after midnight. However, need to provide sbs 324 way until after 12.30am. Cheers. Thanks.

lemon1974 SG

becos in this way, 76 and 134 considered 2 BSEP services. faster clear quota

so you shortened sv76 and call it as BSEP service with fleet reduction?

i also didnt see sv189 listed as BSEP service... while sv99 should be consider as BSEP service with its extension, and BSEP fleet add...

BusAnalayzer SG

Hi mr busanalyser, there is another major difference. One is a trunk service and one is a feeder service. Fare calculation is a difference.

Those are just details. 102 can provide until later, why not. It acts as a feeder within Buangkok and Sengkang as well. 102 does the job of 3 feeder services. Can you let me know what is the fare difference between 102 to Upper Serangoon and 324 to Upper Serangoon? That should answer your question.

carbikebus SG

Haha

dupdup77 SG

Hi mr busanalyser, I think it through but your logic is not too correct. You want sbs 102 extend until 12.30am to cover for sbs 324. But isn't that waste of resources for the extended timing which is contradictory to what you always advocate to save resources? Note sbs 102 needs run full route and back too instead of a much shorter journey.

We must also think why it was made like this.There is also a difference between feeder and trunk service category. In future, feeder must be max 10 min frequency and trunk service will be max 15 min category under LTA rules. This will make a major difference already. Routes such as bringing residents to nearest MRT like sbs 324 is considered feeder to them. So it must be done below 10 min. After it is changed to a so-called sub-con system, sub-con performance will come in. Tender price is fixed. So bus companies will not look at loading. More important is LTA criteria of maintaining fruitful connection for feeder and trunk services. In this case, the logic of sbs 102 (trunk) and sbs 324 (feeder) will come in. Cheers. Thanks.

dupdup77 SG

becos in this way, 76 and 134 considered 2 BSEP services. faster clear quota

Hi mr SBS2652G, faster clear quota? No la. The quota is just an imaginary number. Previously, it was 40. Revised to 80 a few years later. They will just watch out the progress and introduced new bus routes for those new towns and those badly connected areas. The BSEP scheme is just to deploy out the buses. Cheers. Thanks.

array88 SG

so you shortened sv76 and call it as BSEP service with fleet reduction?

i also didnt see sv189 listed as BSEP service... while sv99 should be consider as BSEP service with its extension, and BSEP fleet add...

You do have 301 and 983 (in April 2015 before extension) counted as TWO services... And when 983 got extended to Bukit Panjang it is counted as a "New service" AGAIN.

Probably

during 189 era LTA did not realise that it cannot achieve its promised 80 services. So from now on, anything can happen.

I also don't hope that 76 can become a "new" service when all it experiences is route being cut short and fleet being reduced. But unfortunately there are hints that 76 will be a "New BSEP Service". Unless a brand new service will be launched from Eunos, in which case I will be totally surprised.

array88 SG

(Sorry for the terrible formatting, was posting on my phone)

BusAnalayzer SG

Interesting logic.

So for one hour at midnight when the frequency is low and you anyway don't need much resources/buses, you would rather have another service run full day??? LOL

Also don't the Sengkang West and Buangkok residents for whom 102 works as a trunk deserve a service until late night???

Since you ignored my earlier question, let me answer for you. For short route, fare doesn't make a difference.

It was LTA's wrong planning and mistake at that point in time. Cannot take it down immediately, but maybe few years down the line will take it out just like they did for 275 feeder, and instead introduce a M service with 1 bus operating during peak loading hour.

dupdup77 SG

Interesting logic.

So for one hour at midnight when the frequency is low and you anyway don't need much resources/buses, you would rather have another service run full day??? LOL

Also don't the Sengkang West and Buangkok residents for whom 102 works as a trunk deserve a service until late night???

Since you ignored my earlier question, let me answer for you. For short route, fare doesn't make a difference.

Hi mr busanalyser, there is no need to get so worked up la. In this forum, it is merely chit chai. Everybody talks in a certain manner. To you it is wrong planning, to them it is not. Just different perspectives at looking at issues. There is no winners or losers in this forum. Cheers.

SBS8002T SG

Bus 187 loading observations from 12:30pm to 1:25pm at Blk 347 bus stop:

The average headway is about 06 to 10mins towards BNL where each MAN A22 gets about 40-45 pax on average with some seats empty. According to the LTA app, each 187 bus loading is yellow (indicating standing available, with the exception of 3559X), 187 loading seems decent and MAN A22 is sufficient for the loading at this timing towards BNL.

The opposite direction 187 have about 40-50pax each from 1pm onwards, due to the loading for after school hours, all the buses heading towards WDL are all A22s, I did not spot any bendies.

I boarded 3559X at 1:26pm and at the next bus stop (Jurong Polyclinic), quite a number of students boarded the bus. By the time it reaches the end of the Avenue 1 stretch (before turning to Lakeside MRT), the upper deck have about 10-12 people from 25-30 at the Jurong Polyclinic stop.

What really surprised me is that most of remaining passangers on the upper deck alighted at BNL, as I always thought 157/198 is the preferred choice from Ave 1 to BNL due to better frequencies and having more HC buses as the route length is about the same.

187's AM off peak loading seems decent for the BNL to Ave 1 stretch with its current frequency though I feel that it might be better if they could convert some of the A22 slots to bendy slots (Conversion is 2 A22 to 1 Bendy, alternate about 2 A22s to 1 bendy or DD)

From Avenue 1, personally, I would prefer to take 198 or 157 to BNL as both services operates a number of DDs which gives me a better chance to get a seat (usually I'll take 198), as compared to 187 which operates on mostly A22.

Sbs6750E SG

I agree merging 102 and 324 would make sense. Upper Serangoon Cres residents like that will have direct connection to North Vista and Palmview schools.
If last bus end at 0030, last 4 trips can renumber as 102A(end at Seletar Camp)
Deploy the 324 buses to 102 can already.

lemon1974 SG

SBS6581 (sv141) turning out to serangoon road at around 650pm with all seat taken plus around 20 standees.

1x VO3x on sv133 n 1 x 145 KUB with standee at entrance door at lavender street at around 655 pm. 4 mins later 1 x 133 kub n 1x 145 kub arrived same bus stop with all seat Taken plus around 8-10 standees.

SBS6465E SG

42's abysmal loading from Kembangan stn to Opera Estate/Frankel

Departure from opp Kembangan Stn @ 1831 (frequency 17 mins) on 25/2/16.

Jln Kembangan (15), Sims Av East (-4,+1). Fidelio St (-3)(-3,+1)(-2)(0)(+8)(0), Siglap Rd (-2), Siglap Dr (-1)(-1), Frankel Av (0). Total journey time - 15 mins

Am peak had 33 pax.

There you go DD from Opera/Frankel to Kembangan MRT > DD from Kembangan MRT to Opera/Frankel. Proves my point. Nobody likes the loop in & out of Opera Estate except Opera Estate residents.

carbikebus SG

Anyone analysed 256 before?

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