New Bus Services Announced by LTA/PTOs

last SG · 2014-10-14T00:04:39+00:00

Loyang district includes:- Loyang Industrial Estate- Old Tampines Road- Upper Changi North (not industrial estate though)- Flora* Considering this my guess i...

dupdup77 SG

Yes. But The remaining 4km is redundant. Liddat 116 should might as well be shortened to be like 324 and renamed to 323

Hi mr sbst191, redundant? The main purpose is to connect serangoon north ave 4 residents direct link to serangoon interchange. Cannot shorten or else the intention of introducing this service is no longer needed. Cheers.

BusAnalayzer SG

Oh LTA just introduces 2 new services (sbs 41, sbs 140) plus 1 extended route (sbs 35, 35M). Looking at the trend, all are short trunk routes. This should convince everybody that the so called mid-long haul trunk services are no longer introduced. They are only aiming to plug those roads and those current/ new estates without a link to the mrt station or a nearby town centre. They are providing more convenience to areas which have poor links to mode of transports. Looking at it on a broader sense, it seems a plausible choice. Cheers.

I think it is okay until it makes sense... routes 35, 41, 140 make more sense than 116/120/141 even today.

116 loading after 2 years of introduction at NEX during PM peak remains poor with between 10-20 pax max per bus.

BusAnalayzer SG

LTA already say before in their press release mah... i cut and paste for you..

Better connectivity with new bus services

Strategy is WRONG... need more services like sv 50/972... look how popular both are!!

BusAnalayzer SG

i feel they should introduce more trunk services in the mould of 50, its extremely popular and if the routes are well-planned they would be a massive hit just like 50. also no more express services to be introduced?

and if it is true that LTA suka suka plan route just to fulfil quotas then it is not only a serious misuse of taxpayers dollars but also limited resources. i can think of a few poorly planned routes off my head IMO such as 116 and even 990 that are usually running empty. even the effectiveness of 859A and 859B is questionable as most of the time i see them running empty, although off peak but even so 859 is still crowded. maybe BSEP should also include further small scale rationalization, not simply introducing more SWTs and routes that turn out to be duds.

You are spot on... 116 is so useless... and 90% times empty... even during peak hours... during off-peak almost 99% times pax <20 ... isn't that waste of resouces????

990 lets give it a little more time to judge,

BusAnalayzer SG

i think 41 will relieve 183 & 154(since it's somehow near NP)

the question is... is toh tuck rd DD friendly?

Yes... should be... what's wrong with Toh Tuck road... are you assessing it coz 77/173 do not have DDs? then please note that both are SMRT services.... and both need no DDs... but sv 41 surely will need.

BusAnalayzer SG

35's route length got doubled.... even though only 5 extra stops.

If planned properly, it could be an express varient of 9 (no one takes 9 from TM to CACC though)

Yes... once ppl get familiarized with new 35 route... i think its popularity will increase... hence DDs will be needed... sv 20 also needs more DDs,.. wondering why BNDEP is not giving it to CGBP?

BusAnalayzer SG

Hi mr TIB868X, Sbs 116 got sufficient load for single deck for Hougang int to ave 4 and ave 9. Not redundant. Cheers.

I feel your opinion is EXTREMELY biased here. Remember that sv 116 from HG to ave 4/9 only eats pax from sv 72... whose frequency has been added by 5+ buses since sv 116 introduction.. even today ppl prefer to wait outside HG interchange for sv 72 than 116... there are some instances when sv 116 gets 20-25 pax at HG Interchange... but on an avergage... PM peak bus will get between 15-20 pax and AM peak between 05-15 pax... I would highly recommend you spend a few hours before you speak favorably about one of the worst routes introduced by LTA.

BusAnalayzer SG

Dont forget Sv 120 and Sv 119

119 is still okay.. has decent load.. yes dont need DDs.. but load > 116/120

BusAnalayzer SG

Hi mr sbst191, sbs 119 is an important service in Punggol and sengkang. At various roads, it is one of only few services plying there. At some roads, it is the only bus service. Why people think is not important or redundant is because the DDs make the bus look empty at times. However, there is sufficient loading for single deck. Furthermore, the frequency is 15 mins at times. Please note sbs 119 is not a completely new BSEP service. The BSEP for sbs 119 is only from sengkang int extended to Punggol int. Cheers.

Agreed

dupdup77 SG

All, from this BSEP exercise, we can tell that there are many areas or roads with no/few links to major transport nodes. Naturally there will be some areas with more bus services than others. Now minor roads are getting into the spotlight and more are done to ensure a good linkage to an mrt station or bus interchange. And for new towns, with new roads being constructed, they will definitely get more services. Let's all look forward to better coverage around the whole island of Singapore! Cheers.

dupdup77 SG

Hi mr busanalyser, I take sbs 116 quite often to visit Hougang 1 mall. At those times I board this service, it starts with few people (less than 10). When the bus comes, people all come out to board. There are even people from sbs 165 (the boarding berth just next to sbs 116) switching to take sbs 116. Loading gets high enough that all seats are taken up with few standing. So it is not too bad a service. By putting sbs 116 at the current exit location of Hougang mrt, it serves to pick up people too. There are quite a substantial number of people exiting from this mrt side to take sbs 116. Cheers.

BusAnalayzer SG

Let me tell you this very clearly: if sv 116 was terminated between HG Interchange and Serangoon North Ave 4, NO one would complain.

If need be sv 116 can be renumbered as sv 316 from Serangoon Interchange looping @ Serangoon North Ave 4. But let me also tell u my observation... many many times.,.. stop opp NEX during AM peak 08-10 pax board 116... during PM peak max 20 pax board... I have not seen more than 30-32 pax on board sv 116

To make it more effective, should also be diverted via Serangoon North Ave 1...

This shows that sv 116 patronage remains VERY poor even after 2+ years of introduction... and needs revision, whether u like it or not... and if u see this is similar observation by other FORUMERs as well.

TIB1112L SG

Let me tell you this very clearly: if sv 116 was terminated between HG Interchange and Serangoon North Ave 4, NO one would complain.

To make it more effective, should also be diverted via Serangoon North Ave 1...

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dupdup77 SG

Let me tell you this very clearly: if sv 116 was terminated between HG Interchange and Serangoon North Ave 4, NO one would complain.

To make it more effective, should also be diverted via Serangoon North Ave 1...

Hi mr busanalyser, the way I see it, the current route is still fine. No need to start from serangoon int as the int is packed. Cannot add another service or else sbs 81 and sbs 82 will not have to be amended in yr 2010. Sbs 81 will not need to loop at serangoon central and sbs 82 will not have to change starting int from serangoon to Punggol.

At times where sbs 116 loading is poor, it's frequency is neither great too. Not all bus services need to assume full loading at all sectors of the route. There are always higher crowds at certain sectors to compensate for the lower loading for other sectors. If it is that bad until it is unsustainable, LTA will have amended its route after receiving so much feedback over the 2 years. The fact that the route still remains shows that it may not be too bad as mentioned. Cheers.

carbikebus SG

Let the service as it be,There will be always full load svc,medium load and low loading svc...As long revenue still within acceptable range its not a problem.116 peak hours(2 trips) an average of 30-40 pax while off peak between 15-25 pax..Ok ok lar

dupdup77 SG

Hi mr carbikebus, yes I support it. Anyway this service has only single deck and the frequency is quite long too. Cheers!

phillipC SG

Sv 41 should be run by Soon Lee or BB

carbikebus SG

41 is the last service that will be included in the first tender package and its based at Bulim...

BusAnalayzer SG

cbb bro... u will be the same person later who will "again" complain about how government is wasting tax payers money by introducing not good services. If you say this, 116 is one of them. Like this, you can introduce any service tomorrow and it will fetch 30-40 pax at least on one or two trips during the day. Even if out of these 30 pax, 20 pax are those who could have taken sv 72. I just don't get the logic. Anyway, we have ppl like this in LTA also... that's why we have such services. Please do not complain again bro. And you are the last person I want to argue with coz I respect you. So peace!

BusAnalayzer SG

Ha ha ha ha... "The fact that the route still remains..." sorry... this statement makes me laugh... which service LTA has modified... even if service is redundant, LTA will keep it... has so much money... has to spend it somewhere.

Anyway, sv 116 I have observed very closely... taken it 10 times+ almost full route... observed it 20+ times at NEX for loading (and 20+ times means days)... if u catch number of buses observed, will be around 60-70 buses on 116. I have also observed similarly at HG Interchange.

By now you should know I stay around NEL... so with my passion of loading analysis... I have observed this route very closely... and that's why I complain about it... I don't do it on other services... coz their loading is respectable... IMO even 120 is better than 116.

But yes LTA will keep this service... coz as I mentioned they 1. will not like to show that they made a mistake in route planning and 2. they don't care, coz they have excess funds.

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