New Bus Services Announced by LTA/PTOs

last SG · 2014-10-14T00:04:39+00:00

Loyang district includes:- Loyang Industrial Estate- Old Tampines Road- Upper Changi North (not industrial estate though)- Flora* Considering this my guess i...

BusAnalayzer SG

i think there need to be service for temasek tamp av 1 and south tamp to sengkang and pungg town. all service now go from upper part of tamp town. tamp av 2 and av 1 neglected.

If you notice I have already proposed 164 to go via Tampines ave 1 and 2. So cannot propose another service from Sengkang do the same right? Keeping this in mind, I thought would be good to get to Tampines fast but via Tampines ave 7, so basically it will enter at the junction of Loyang ave and Tampines ave 7 and do the whole stretch and terminate at interchange. Right now only 34 connects the other stretch of Tampines ave 7 and it goes to Punggol. So thought this could be a good option. Also with DTL3 coming up, many might want to transfer here for Sengkang service. Just my thoughts.

BusAnalayzer SG

technically you merge 82 with 107, you are freeing up parking space at HG central interchange. The loading will not change in anyway because there will be no deleted sectors. Plus you give greater accessibility to people staying along 82 and 107 routes. probably you will also need slightly fewer buses to operate a merged service too but you will need more DDs because 82 fleet has no DDs. It is a good idea.

Maybe you don't even need more DDs because 107 anyway has okay loading. so 8 DDs would be good. Bus optimization + interchange space saving.

BusAnalayzer SG

82 107 merge make service toolong. so lta not agree. it wan short service.

I know what you mean to say. But as part of the forum we can always propose ideas we feel are good. I am sure someone from LTA will be sneaking in to read ;)

randomguy10 SG

Yeah even if LTA is not in favour of introducing new long distance services, it would be a good idea to merge existing services that wont be removed so that you have bus optimization + interchange space saving

BusAnalayzer SG

Expecting that new services to be introduced in March, sv 122 and sv 164 will be announced this coming week.

BusAnalayzer SG

Quick recap on what these services could look like.

164

Punggol Interchange -- Punggol Central -- Punggol Way -- Punggol Field -- Punggol Road -- TPE -- Tampines Ave 10 -- Tampines Ave 8 -- Tampines Ave 1 -- Tampines Ave 2 -- Tampines Ave 9 -- Tampines Ave 6 -- Tampines Ave 5 -- Tampines Ave 4 -- Tampines st 41 -- Tampines Ave 9 & back

* It might be possible that LTA might just introduce a shorter service that will loop directly at Tampines MRT after covering Tampines ave 1 and not make it an intra-town like 34 but I personally prefer above proposed route as it provides connections to many missing links between Tampines town

122

Bukit Merah Interchange -- Bukit Merah Central -- Redhill Close -- Tiong Bahru Road (Redhill MRT) -- Margaret Dr -- Dawson Road -- Strathmore Rd -- Commonwealth Ave (Queenstown MRT) -- Alexandra Road -- Tiong Bahru Road & back to Bukit Merah.

* There were some who said this service will start from Buona Vista but that to me would be a big mistake considering there is already sv 32 plying this route, and will lead to unnecessary duplication. I anyway expect sv 32 to get 2 BSEP fleet add in the next few rounds once the flats gain occupancy strength.

proudtobeme SG

Quick recap on what these services could look like.

164

122

i excite on launch of 164. i hope go to my house on tamp av 2.

dupdup77 SG

i excite on launch of 164. i hope go to my house on tamp av 2.

Hi mr proudtobeme, don't have too high hopes on it going to tampines ave 2. There are just too many services at tampines ave 2. Cheers.

carbikebus SG

Hope LTA consider cross island svc like from far east to west via central and north

SBS5010P SG

Had proposed this long time back...

though not possible to have 112, 113 start from there given its route.

119 can start from here and some other services like 132 can be diverted back to Kovan Terminal. 132 used to operate out of HG South before it was closed.

Also to create space at HG, 82 and 107 can be easily merged - again a suggestion given by umpteen people.

aiyo juz merge 113 with 119 and extend to Serangoon. Punggol int - Serangoon Central (Loop)

112 can become townlink like 291/293 and start at hg south

Dont merge 82 and 107 as 82's route is doing fine and 107 is doing okay too. In a few years time 107's loading will drop and DDs would be removed due to the MRT stations opening in Bendemeer and Geylang Bahru. Merging 82 and 107 would be less productive as it would be a very long route

SBS5010P SG

Hope LTA consider cross island svc like from far east to west via central and north

I hope there's a bus svc from Serangoon/Hougang express to Boon Lay

BusAnalayzer SG

Hi mr proudtobeme, don't have too high hopes on it going to tampines ave 2. There are just too many services at tampines ave 2. Cheers.

I agree - actually there is already sv 34 going to Tampines ave 2. Having 164 servinb ave 2 will be a duplication.

BusAnalayzer SG

164

Punggol Interchange -- Punggol Central -- Punggol Way -- Punggol Field -- Punggol Road -- TPE -- Tampines Ave 10 -- Tampines Ave 8 -- Tampines Ave 1 -- Tampines Ave 4 (where sv 22 plies)-- Tampines St 41 -- Tampines Ave 9 -- Tampines Ave 6 -- Tampines Ave 5 -- Tampines Ave 4 -- Tampines Ave 1 & back.

* If service is not terminating at Tampines interchange, I wish it loops around st 41, ave 9, ave 6 given there are many blocks here that have poor connectivity. Especially west part of ave 9 has no service and people have to walk 400-500m to nearest stop. So would be good to give one service to ply this road.

164

Punggol Interchange -- Punggol Central -- Punggol Way -- Punggol Field -- Punggol Road -- TPE -- Tampines Ave 10 -- Tampines Ave 8 -- Tampines Ave 1 -- Bedok Reservoir Road -- Bedok North Ave 3 -- Bedok North Road -- Bedok North Ave 2 -- Bedok Interchange (looping point)

* this would be the route I will prefer as it gives quick connection to Bedok town that is missing today from NEL suburbs (but knowing that it is only till Tampines, I dont think this route will materialize)

* Alternative to 69 to get to Bedok from Ave 1

* Withdraw sv 18 with the launch of 164 to Bedok (alternatives 164 till ave 1, 28/8 going to Tampines)

TPS Timothy Mok SG

164

* Alternative to 69 to get to Bedok from Ave 1

* Withdraw sv 18 with the launch of 164 to Bedok (alternatives 164 till ave 1, 28/8 going to Tampines)

Already needed new service from Sengkang or Punggol to Tampines - allow DD instead of 27 because 27 cannot use DD, and reduce bunching frequency from 1-2 mins to 8 mins.

BusAnalayzer SG

Already needed new service from Sengkang or Punggol to Tampines - allow DD instead of 27 because 27 cannot use DD, and reduce bunching frequency from 1-2 mins to 8 mins.

Yes. So that's what is happening.

dupdup77 SG

aiyo juz merge 113 with 119 and extend to Serangoon. Punggol int - Serangoon Central (Loop)

112 can become townlink like 291/293 and start at hg south

Hi mr SBS5010P, your suggestion for sbs 119 from Punggol int-serangoon central (loop) will never happen. Why???

If LTA really listens to you, then we will have Sbs 43M, sbs 82 and sbs 119 (3 services with same interchange from Punggol) all go to same place serangoon central. This should not be allowed to happen. 2 services from Punggol to serangoon are more than enough. There are many other places to terminate or loop in Singapore other than serangoon central which creates too many duplications even if some roads in middle are different. Cheers.

array88 SG

Hi mr SBS5010P, your suggestion for sbs 119 from Punggol int-serangoon central (loop) will never happen. Why???

Having the same destinations or looping points does not necessarily mean the services are heavily duplicated. You have services 8, 28 and 31 all from Tampines to Toa Payoh, yet you don't see LTA withdrawing or shortening any one of them, because they ply different routes. Same case with services 18, 38 and 69 which all start at Tampines and terminate/loop at Bedok (and there are also services 28 and 31 starting at Tampines and passing by Bedok MRT). If you still want some more examples, services 7, 14 and 196 all originate from Bedok and terminate at Clementi. There may be some duplication with 18, 28 and 69 in Bedok, but LTA doesn't care. Talking about 43M, 82 and 119, firstly sv 43M is only a supplementary service. Secondly they have different routes (although 82 and the new 119 may be a bit similar, but only a bit. They serve different purposes anyway). Additionally, I doubt anyone will take any of these services from Punggol all the way to Serangoon Ctrl; there's NEL for that. As long as the services have different loading patterns and people take these services to different places, I don't see a reason why they can't have the same looping point.

dupdup77 SG

Hi mr array88, at least LTA is sensible. They will not merge sbs 113 with sbs 119 as per what sbs5010P suggests and extend to serangoon central. I will rather they create new links rather than the same old serangoon central if needed. Sbs5010P logic is flawed. Sbs 113 market is different from sbs 119. By attempting to merge sbs 113 and sbs 119, you are copying sbs 82 route and also ignoring the lorong Ah soo market.

Why sbs 119 loops at kovan and not further down to serangoon central? Don't forget it duplicates sbs 136 as well along upper serangoon road. Sbs 119 brings different segments of people down to an MRT station (kovan) which is deemed sufficient already. Cheers.

BusAnalayzer SG

I actually support that 113 and 119 should be merged.

This has few advantages:

* 113 currently loading between Kovan and Hougang is very poor in its current winding route. Because of this people living along Lor Ah Soo and HG Ave 1 are disadvantaged by poor frequency on 113

* 119 and 113 merger will not inconvenience people, but the DDs on 119 will get better utilized between the Kovan/Serangoon Central stretch.

* With this extension, 53A/53B/45A can be withdrawn and 119A can be introduced between Kovan and Serangoon Central during peak hours

* Like 82 and 107, 113 and 119 also makes good sense for merging, but again depends if LTA wants to take the bold step.

* This will save resources and improve the connectivity between towns and loading on 119.

dupdup77 SG

I actually support that 113 and 119 should be merged.

This has few advantages:

* 113 currently loading between Kovan and Hougang is very poor in its current winding route. Because of this people living along Lor Ah Soo and HG Ave 1 are disadvantaged by poor frequency on 113

* 119 and 113 merger will not inconvenience people, but the DDs on 119 will get better utilized between the Kovan/Serangoon Central stretch.

* With this extension, 53A/53B/45A can be withdrawn and 119A can be introduced between Kovan and Serangoon Central during peak hours

* Like 82 and 107, 113 and 119 also makes good sense for merging, but again depends if LTA wants to take the bold step.

* This will save resources and improve the connectivity between towns and loading on 119.

Hi mr busanalyser, not very good. In this manner, sbs 119 duplicates sbs 82, 136 and also sbs 62 route. Too much duplication already. It will be better if sbs 119 is changed to another destination such as bedok or eunos after finishing kovan. Cheers.

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