Capacity Upgrade/Downgrade Reporting on Bus Services

last SG · 2014-06-02T11:57:05+00:00

254/255/257 loads can easily cross 100 pax.. Why no BSEP yet or even fleet add from SBST side... Totally ignore the JIS area.

AntiDennisLance SG

117 is the first and the last SBST svc to Sembawang till mid next year..And also the first time Go Ahead in Sembawang.

SBST will also be the first operator to have all its trunk services served with HC/DD buses in YIS/SBW.

carbikebus SG

SBST will also be the first operator to have all its trunk services served with HC/DD buses in YIS/SBW.

SBST is the king of public bus service in Singapore mah..Its like apple and lychee.

TIB429E SG

For a new trunk service, 15 mins is reasonable. Based on the runtime, loading, the frequency can be adjusted. Advantage is 117 will have majority DD fleet, unlike 965 that has majority rigids (only 3 DDs).

Hahas but that 15mins can be long, especially if u missed it. Plus, I guess sv117 won't be getting majority DD fleet so fast bah? Like just started svc, plus you have 103 duplicating it on some parts.

IMO, passengers at Yishun will choose 965 because it goes by expressway.

Some examples of why I got that "BSEP = Long waiting time" feeling :

Sv102 and other buses - 2/3 of other svces bus have arrive is equal to 1 sv102 bus
Sv904 and Sv913/964 - 2 913/964 is about 1 sv904 bus arrival

But some service like 860/983 really got the "normal frequency" feeling..hahas. But last time, sv860 also abit long.

TIB429E SG

Not that 965 has a great frequency. Especially the looping makes the bus quite late at times.

Hahas I can agree to that. But at least the loading is there for sometimes already..thus explained the frequency.

But BSEP svc..although I rode them a few months later, the frequency seems to show that it's still similar to day1.

dupdup77 SG

IMO, passengers at Yishun will choose 965 because it goes by expressway.

Some examples of why I got that "BSEP = Long waiting time" feeling :

Sv102 and other buses - 2/3 of other svces bus have arrive is equal to 1 sv102 bus
Sv904 and Sv913/964 - 2 913/964 is about 1 sv904 bus arrival

But some service like 860/983 really got the "normal frequency" feeling..hahas. But last time, sv860 also abit long.

Hi mr TIB429E, not confirmed yet to be 15 min. Don't be so pessimistic. Passengers at yishun of course will continue to take smrt 965 if going to sengkang. If going to Punggol, they will take sbs 117. So your statement of passengers at yishun will choose 965 because it goes by expressway is not clear. Note smrt 965 goes sengkang while sbs 117 goes Punggol. Clearly the catchment of people is different. Cheers. Thanks.

TIB429E SG

965 uses the expressway, it's much faster. Yes although the destination is different, as of now, ppl take 965 would mostly alight within Sengkang.

Thus, 117 wouldn't really impact 965 slightly. It's only the minor few. And, I am sure those minor few usually would prefer 965 > 83, since it could stop directly at their house. (Since they need to transfer either way, might as well take bus 965 which uses the expressway).

SMB128B SG

965 uses the expressway, it's much faster. Yes although the destination is different, as of now, ppl take 965 would mostly alight within Sengkang.

Expressway =/= faster...

SLE and TPE, being heavily utilised expressways, always handle large amounts of vehicles... Compared to the deserted Seletar roads, buses do travel slower on the expy...

Secondly, do you know how bad the expy jams up?? AM peak, slip road into SLE. PM peak, Punggol Road exit. Coupled with higher rates of accidents and occasional road works, and you have the perfect recipe to complain for on your way to work.

Honestly, Seletar West Link does provide really smooth traffic. It's basically an expy itself with two or three traffic lights. I've tried cabbing there instead of SLE, there is a distinct difference in terms of travelling speed. While there may be a few red lights, it still gets the job done.

Not saying the expy is slow. But the expy is indeed overly congested. Given the choice, Punggol residents would probably choose the road right at their doorstep, instesd of going down and cramming together with the rest of north east.

SBS2652G SG

Expressway =/= faster...

SLE and TPE, being heavily utilised expressways, always handle large amounts of vehicles... Compared to the deserted Seletar roads, buses do travel slower on the expy...

and the peak hour jams out of the expressway to Lentor

Gemsdare SG

117 is mainly it helps to benefit those who are going to/from along Yishun Ave 1 is faster then having to go Yishun Ave 2 to board 965 and transfer to NEL. Such as 103 benefited those who are going to/from along Yishun Ave 11 faster then having to go Bus Interchange to board 85 to Jalan Kayu.

TIB429E SG

Expressway =/= faster...

SLE and TPE, being heavily utilised expressways, always handle large amounts of vehicles... Compared to the deserted Seletar roads, buses do travel slower on the expy...

But fortrip to SKG during PM hrs, it's somewhat better to take 965 than 117.

I tried travelling on TPE during PM peak..from Wdl to Sengkang..still alright. It's usually the part along SLE, before Yishun that's having some jams. And the slip road into TPE from SLE.

Punggol Rd Exit usually affects the opposite site. Slip road to SLE also have jams sometimes..but seldom now due to wider road.

Unless Sv117 take 1 big loop liike sv83 does, maybe it might help the residents to get home directly. Otherwise, still need to transfer bus at punggol, never run expressway.

*Personal Opinion ; I know expressway isn't quick always*

TIB429E SG

That's one possible reason. But mostly, the "hotspot" is before Yishun Stn iirc..

If I were to improve 117...

I rather it exit via Punggol Way, Turn to Punggol Field, Edgefield Plains before going back Punggol Int.

Reason : Gain better connectivity from West loop(LRT) residents to East loop(LRT). No need to transfer LRT etc.

dupdup77 SG

965 uses the expressway, it's much faster. Yes although the destination is different, as of now, ppl take 965 would mostly alight within Sengkang.

Hi mr TIB429E, sengkang people continue to take smrt 965 (as before) and Punggol people take sbs 117. Transferring inside Punggol bus interchange is much seamless than 965->83/136. Nobody likes to go to punggol road to walk across a bridge to transfer 83/136. Cheers. Thanks.

dupdup77 SG

Hi mr Gemsdare, I agree. Cheers. Thanks.

dupdup77 SG

That's one possible reason. But mostly, the "hotspot" is before Yishun Stn iirc..

If I were to improve 117...

I rather it exit via Punggol Way, Turn to Punggol Field, Edgefield Plains before going back Punggol Int.

Reason : Gain better connectivity from West loop(LRT) residents to East loop(LRT). No need to transfer LRT etc.

Hi mr TIB429E, I think no. LTA intentionally wants make sbs 117 more direct so it goes a few stops in Punggol central (west side) and Punggol way and straight out to TPE. It also purposely avoided whole of sengkang. Isn't the intention clear? Cheers. Thanks.

BusAnalayzer SG

Lot of discussion on this. Let's analyze.

85 - Those living Fernvale/Sengkang West town

965 - Those who transfer at Sengkang MRT + Punggol road

117 - Punggol West & Punggol East. Those who used to take 85 direct, will prefer take 3/83/85 to interchange and x-over to 117. Those living along Punggol Dr/Field can take 50/62/LRT and transfer to 117. This is where 965 will lose its pax who used to take 83 and cross over-head bridge to take 965 or take 3 and cross the long bridge along TPE to take 969

103 - Those who live at HDBs along Sengkang West / Jalan Kayu + YCK road to Yishun

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Another consideration is on Yishun side. Those wanting to go to ring road/ave 1/ave 11 have now a direct service in form of 103 or 117 near its door step.

So overall, I believe 103 and 117 will get heavy loading because of SAP + development of Sengkang West/Punggol town

85 loading will get increase in loading due to higher occupancy in Sengkang West town offset by alternative options such as 103 (SGK West) / 117 (Punggol East).

965 is the one whose loading will get majorly affected due to reduction in those who transfer at Punggol road, will now do with 117 at interchange + those who alight at Sengkang via MRT to take 965, can now also choose to alight at Punggol. In AM, people will prefer 117 even more as can get seat in Punggol for MRT.

SBS2652G SG

Lot of discussion on this. Let's analyze.

85 - Those living Fernvale/Sengkang West town

965 - Those who transfer at Sengkang MRT + Punggol road

103 - Those who live at HDBs along Sengkang West / Jalan Kayu + YCK road to Yishun

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Another consideration is on Yishun side. Those wanting to go to ring road/ave 1/ave 11 have now a direct service in form of 103 or 117 near its door step.

So overall, I believe 103 and 117 will get heavy loading because of SAP + development of Sengkang West/Punggol town

85 loading will get increase in loading due to higher occupancy in Sengkang West town offset by alternative options such as 103 (SGK West) / 117 (Punggol East).

102 loading may increase as it connects Sengkang to Seletar Camp Gate to transfer to 103/117 into Seletar Aerospace. But for those heading Yishun may prefer 85.

BusAnalayzer SG

102 loading may increase as it connects Sengkang to Seletar Camp Gate to transfer to 103/117 into Seletar Aerospace. But for those heading Yishun may prefer 85.

But extension of 102 not announced yet. Once it does to East Camp, I do see loading improving a bit. But East Camp industrial estate is still under construction, so mostly can expect loading to increase from Q2/Q3 2016.

dupdup77 SG

Lot of discussion on this. Let's analyze.

85 - Those living Fernvale/Sengkang West town

965 - Those who transfer at Sengkang MRT + Punggol road

103 - Those who live at HDBs along Sengkang West / Jalan Kayu + YCK road to Yishun

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Another consideration is on Yishun side. Those wanting to go to ring road/ave 1/ave 11 have now a direct service in form of 103 or 117 near its door step.

So overall, I believe 103 and 117 will get heavy loading because of SAP + development of Sengkang West/Punggol town

85 loading will get increase in loading due to higher occupancy in Sengkang West town offset by alternative options such as 103 (SGK West) / 117 (Punggol East).

I shall show a live demonstration early next week and maybe few months later the exact timing why sbs 85 is still trusted to be depended upon for a guy (Riveria LRT along Punggol east to khatib mrt) and if he takes bus to Punggol interchange to switch to sbs 117 and alight at khatib mrt too.

Maybe if he takes direct bus sbs 85, it will be about 5 min later than 3/83/85-> sbs 117.

Starting stop: bus stop outside Riveria LRT

Ending stop: bus stop outside khatib mrt.

Choice 1: direct sbs 85 (20 stops from Riveria LRT to khatib mrt)

Choice 2: 3/83/85 (5 stops from Riveria LRT to Punggol bus int) transfer sbs 117 (19 stops to khatib MRT). Total 24 stops plus waiting time for transfer.

It seems choice 2 will be faster but maybe not by too much. People always tend to forget or discount the time you need incur waiting when you transfer. This is why when people type, it seems easy to think one way. However, reality is what we depend upon.

You decide.

Cheers. Thanks.

Sbs6750E SG

Maybe if he takes direct bus sbs 85, it will be about 5 min later than 3/83/85-> sbs 117.

Starting stop: bus stop outside Riveria LRT

Ending stop: bus stop outside khatib mrt.

Choice 1: direct sbs 85 (20 stops from Riveria LRT to khatib mrt)

Choice 2: 3/83/85 (5 stops from Riveria LRT to Punggol bus int) transfer sbs 117 (19 stops to khatib MRT). Total 24 stops plus waiting time for transfer.

You decide.

Cheers. Thanks.

Or choice 3: 83 to Punggol Road, Blk 190C, 5 stops, around 10 mins. Cross overhead bridge, around 1 min. Take 965 to Bef Khatib Stn, 5 stops, around 15-20 mins. Total time taken: 26-31 min. Total number of stops: 10. Choice 1 would take around 40-45 mins. Choice 2 would take around 46-51 mins. Zonclusion: Choice 3 is faster than 1 and 2. But it is just personal opinion. ** excludes waiting time.

dupdup77 SG

Hi mr Sbs6750E, I doubt choice 1 and choice 2 will take long excluding waiting time. The last time I took sbs 85 directly from Riveria LRT to khatib is only 33 min. People may always think sbs 85 takes a long loop. Yes I agree. But they never take into account the bus is damn fast and the next stop after Riveria LRT is already sengkang. They also did not take into account transferring to other services need waiting time. Cheers. Thanks.

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