phd or army?

last SG · 2006-06-01T15:29:41+00:00

option 3 is possible, but when my current financial status, its not without my reach, unless i finish nsf, work for 2 yrs.. i now in yr 2, 2 more yrs and i...

saline SG

huh? nv dream for OCS, but yest dream of completing it? wat's the diff?
the point is, if u don't have a dip/A level. it is near impossible to be an officer. yet alone sign on as one.
my advice is, get ur dip, make it to OCS (if u have wat it takes), sign on, get some scholarship (provided ur school results are OK), get ur degree, finish ur bond, than leave SAF.

hisoka SG

a diploma in 6 months? what type of diploma is that?? you better check that you degree or diploma is recognized in sg or by the gov. b4 you do take that course yeah?

weijian SG

i didnt mention that i want to go OCS, it was an advice given to me by Gwangetto, if u go and see my first post in this thread, i didnt mention anything bout OCS, for i dun even wanna take up the post, i wanna take business, for i wanna learn the knowledge needed, then start on my own business, so i dun get it why u just keep linking me to OCS, i ask only,

and i did reinforce my objective later on again, but still i am being misunderstood,

i shall repeat my objective.

currently doing badly in RP,
business computing, learning IT stuff which i have no interest in AT ALL
thinking of Dropping of of PoLY!!

current age - 19
if sign bond, 2 yrs later upon completing nsf (national service full time)
then if i hav money, i will study uni for a cert, then get on with my own life as a entreprenur.

short and simple.

the advice i need on are:
1) should i drop out or stay in RP, as everything in Rp for me now is IT which i hate!!

2) should i drop out of sch, then go sign up for army to Study while earning money for my own business in future

3) or the simplest choice, is to drop poly, wait for ns, finish it, then work and earn money to go into uni in future?

thank you for ur kind advice to date, but please, offer advice which i need...thank you

hisoka SG

oh well was just asking questions of you cos i feel advice is something we who do not really know your situation cannot give well. was thinking of gettign you to think it thru yourself and then get a decision yourself.

M©+square SG

Hmm?

You don't need advice. You've already have your practical route selection.
You just need to make a choice.

Question

Now your problem is, you can't make a decision because you're too young?
Or
You're too narrowminded to consider other solutions?

weijian SG

i know that the ultimate decision lies with me.

i am here to listen to advice, and consider the advices then take into consideration

as i believe that in here, there will be someone who has gone through the path once b4.

listening to more advices means that i may end up knowing things that i didn't know before..am i right to say that?

i believe there are lots of more experienced guys in here, so i am looking for experienced advice if there's any. Neutral

forfun_cash SG

IT also cannot make it why bother abt business ? i suggest you go become a hooligan and beg for $$ on the streets .. orchard road would be a good place ..

weijian SG

as now i am thinking, why should i force myself to study things which i have no interest in..at the present state, i am not relax enough to think of other solutions

can list down some other solutions that u have in mind?

choco B SG

If you’re flunking poly and have no motivation to continue, then cut your losses and quit. Go do your NS and explore your options from there.

weijian SG

everybody has a weakness which cannot be corrected, but can be covered by that individual's pros..the simple idea is NO one in this World is perfect, so my weakness is IT, the only way i can make my life better is to do Business related.

I am trapped in a School of Information Technology due to my poor O lvl grades.

if that post is what u consider an advice, anyone who believes this is a genuine advice, can go knock themselves against the wall nearest to them.

weijian SG

instead of exploring the options that i have when i complete my nsf should i quit poly,

can somebody list down that options thats that i have?

the only options tat i can think of are as of the following:
1- work, and nv turn bad for regrets
2-work and studying part-time to upgrade
3-study full time after nsf and seek employment

are there any other options that i can take into consideration?

king108 SG

Cool I only stepped out to work at the age of 26.It doesn't matter what age you come out as long as you come out at the right time.

Uncle_MooMoo SG

What are you learning at the moment in IT?

Fey Mae SG

anyway, if you wanna be an entrepreneur why bother with paper qualifications? ur the boss, who cares if you're o levels or phd? you dont need them to impress potential employers. Shocked

however getting back to the practical situation.

i dont know if you did badly for O's due to your lack of discipline to study or that you're really just not study material, because if its the latter you might face more problems in uni (which is alot more difficult than poly level) everyone wanna have a degree for whatever reasons but based on what you want out of your career, evaluate the neccessity of it.

you can opt for another diploma course if IT is not what you wish to do. But unless you have a solid plan in mind you better finish your diploma and get on with it.

do understand you face alot of "loss" for dropping out, and whatever you wish to do, at least it should justify the risks you're taking now. you do seemed to have some idea what you wish to do should you drop the course, but have you actually research or consider carefully what are the cause and effect for your new route - please also ask yourself honestly how confident are you in achieving that. its good to take risks, but if you do not even evaluate the magnitude of it you may be more of a gambler than risk taker.

for those who are unsure of themselves and have no definite understanding of the alternatives - then its better to do the norm. at least you get something, not your idea world but at least you survived - like everyone else. life isnt always that beautiful - you do not always get what you want.

Xcert SG

if U ask me...my choices would be 2,3,1.

option 2 might be painful for U...but since U are in year 2...it shows that it can be done...

option 3 is when U really cannot take it in poly.....and before U drop out...go see ur academic tutor or someone to see if U can transfer course...better than dropping out and then try to get in again if ur chances elsewhere dun work out.

and if U sign-on after dropping out from poly...that means U go in NS with 'O' level cert...U cant sign on as officer...max U can go is SISPEC...if U dun sign and just serve out ur NS liability...last time still can "save" 6 months....now cannot liao...so I dun really see the point in doing that for now...

Xcert SG

he can get into IT...his 'O' level results shouldnt be too bad...I am not too familiar with the COPs anymore...should be below 18pts?

Should be able to consider JC/Pre-U if he is not over-aged and open to the idea to doing 'A' level...since 'A' level is more theory-based...similiar to business....studying econs would be useful...although I dun think its easy...

fymk SG

Business everyone can do , unless your daddy has a business and will let you take over then you do it , otherwise just prepare to be a clerk or worse unemployed . There are very few who make it far with just a business diploma or degree.

My friend has a business degree and it is bringing her nowhere. My aunt used to employ Business degree holders to be ice cream servers. In the business industry , Finance/Accountancy/IT gives you skills against those who just have a general business degree.

I am not sure what type of IT course it is but get certified in the big enterprise type of programs like SAP/3, Oracle etc and programming . If possible , learn SAS/Stata - those are statistical software . Those give you a head start in front of others because big corporations run on those.

My advice just do your IT diploma - if you do well enough - go for IT/business degree. It will stand you in good stead to have a skill and a degree in place. Then do an MBA if you have the capacity to do so. Or else I would not worry about some business degree.

Another option which I do not recommend is do your O level again . I don't think it is a good idea. External degrees are not recommended either.

In addition , for GOOD overseas universities, it is hard to get into their commerce/business courses through their foundation college. If you don't do well in the foundation course , you would have to do it in some second tier/third tier university which renders you worse off if you return to Singapore and for the price you pay , it isn't worth the investment.

I don't know your situation but I was forced to take up a diploma I didn't like because my parents threaten to cut me off financially although I could qualify for biotech which I wanted badly . In the end , I just started building on what I have and what I can do after graduation - I studied hard for a diploma I didn't even fancy then I did a degree based on my diploma's discipline . What I found out , with one degree , especially when you do extremely well, it open doors for you to get to where you want. I can tell you it took me long but the feeling is all worthwhile when you finally hit the mark after going around a brickwall.

Besides , my skills in the diploma allows me to be employed elsewhere or back into my old jobs if anything happens or maybe if I hate my boss ( which I don't haha) . It doesn't mean just because I hit the mark , I will give up what skills I know because those are transferable.

Moral of the story from an older person :
in life , always have 2 exit routes open . When one closes , you run out the other and open 2 more doors.
Never mind if you don't like it , bide your time and plan carefully.
Make use of what you have even if you hate it.

alexkusu SG

its a paper world… go for PHD

KenPlus SG

You are already halfway through,it will be a waste of your time to drop out.
And it is also not predictable whether u can get a business course to study regardless of poly or degree after u finish army.
If you are really interested in business,why not just get a dip first and take up a business degree later at least you still have a poly dip at a backup,u can plan to work partime.If u chose to dropout,u will find it hard to earn enough money for studies in the 1st place with an o lvl cert,unless your family are rich enough to support your studies.I do not know the standards of Oversea uni,but in sg local uni or those external studies(oversea uni) an a level cert and poly dip is the basic requirement,it impossible to take a degree with an o level cert.

weijian SG

currently learning IT related stuff only.

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