What if the bus rationalisation did not happen?

last SG · 2015-11-17T09:33:39+00:00

Meanwhile, this also means that train fares have to increase by around 100%, to ensure that the amount of revenue collected remains the same.Already, if we w...

Path Light SG

ahlunjia SG

Path Light SG

If the bus rationalisation did not happen, Service 81, 82, 97, 103, 106 and 111 will have high loading

vicamour SG

LTA should reinstate 81, 82, 97, 111, 501 and 502.

97 and 111 extended to Punggol and 81 and 82 terminate at the new Bidadari terminal.

AJQZC SG

LTA should reinstate 81, 82, 97, 111, 501 and 502.

97 and 111 extended to Punggol and 81 and 82 terminate at the new Bidadari terminal.

You think none of us here disliked what LTA did back then?

But too bad, it's been many years already, and both the transport system as well as the population have adapted to the change.

Forget about your 97, 111 and 502. Their loading / main passengers have changed, and these services are most likely slated to ply the new downtown at Marina South.

81 and 82 are technically still extendable, but most likely won't be able to pass through LTA. Express services to the northeast may come with demand in due time, but they will certainly not bear much resemblance to any of the old expresses 501 / 511 / 512.

dupdup77 SG

LTA should reinstate 81, 82, 97, 111, 501 and 502.

97 and 111 extended to Punggol and 81 and 82 terminate at the new Bidadari terminal.

Hi mr vicamour, long distance journeys soley by bus are no longer in fashion. The MRT has basically become a standard way of life with the people in the 21st century. Nowadays, youths and adults have grown accustomed to the MRT routes as being a part of their life when they are required to travel. No longer people are just solely used to travel by bus only. Cheers. Thanks.

iamgoondu SG

Agree but many new mrt stations and bus stops are not well integrated, example Holland V and Botanic Gardens, Tai Seng stations. People are discouraged from making transfers. Efforts needed to bring bus stops nearer to MRT stations to encourage higher usage.

array88 SG

Totally agree. Especially Circle Line. Stations such as Promenade, Mountbatten, Tai Seng, Caldecott and one-north are terrible examples.

However, stations with convenient transfers and a good network of hus services do change travelling patterns. Positive examples include Farrer Road, Kent Ridge and Haw Par Villa. Even 188 now has interesting loading from Clementi Rd to Haw Par Villa MRT during PM.

And luckily, many of the new DTL2 stations already have bus stops added/relocated closer to them.

Haxx232335 SG

I always like to travel by using bus. 51 is very long. 97 should go back to Hougang and use Berth 1 at Hougang Bus Interchange

dupdup77 SG

Hi mr iamgoondu, yes. However we really cannot expect all MRT stations to be well integrated with many bus services. Some will have more bus services and some will have less. This is very natural due to the specific location of the MRT station. This is why when people buy houses, location is the utmost concern. Location, location, location! Not possible to build 2 MRT stations with the same integration. Cheers. Thanks.

dupdup77 SG

I always like to travel by using bus. 51 is very long. 97 should go back to Hougang and use Berth 1 at Hougang Bus Interchange

Hi mr Haxx232335, you can always feel free to travel by using bus. But take note the world does not revolve around you. The authorities will not change the whole structure just because of you 1 person alone. They cater for the mass market. MRT is definitely the way to go for super long routes. Cheers. Thanks.

iamgoondu SG

What I meant is to bring existing bus stops nearer to mrt stations, and not to route more bus services.

Example the pair of bus stops along Holland Road can be move nearer to the traffic junction, nearer to the HV station. Wondering why are they not opening the exits at Saint James Church.

And for Botanic Gardens, why there is no link up between the lift in the MRT station and the lift at the overhead bridge? To transfer to buses at Dunern road [heading toward Little India] will take you 10 minutes.

And for Tai Seng, if they feel there is a need for an overhead bridge at Labrador to ARC, why are they not considering a similar overhead bridge to link up the Tai Seng to Breadtalk HQ or to the Civil Defense HQ? Are they aware of the crowds that walk from Tai Seng to Ubi industrial daily?

More can be done to encourage people to ditch their cars and travel comfortably by buses and trains.

array88 SG

You still don't know who he is?

Path Light Stegz SG

No. 51 can be less than 3 hours and 502 must go back to Sengkang

dupdup77 SG

You still don't know who he is?

Hi mr array88, I thought he had already said he would stop making fun of usernames and he had apologized. Since he is back, I will definitely stick to my words never to reply. Cheers. Thanks for reminding me that a leopard will never change its spots.

dupdup77 SG

What I meant is to bring existing bus stops nearer to mrt stations, and not to route more bus services.

Example the pair of bus stops along Holland Road can be move nearer to the traffic junction, nearer to the HV station. Wondering why are they not opening the exits at Saint James Church.

More can be done to encourage people to ditch their cars and travel comfortably by buses and trains.

Hi mr iamgoondu, sorry for misreading earlier. For holland village MRT location, I can answer as I stayed near there previously. The MRT location is situated next to holland road shopping centre. The pair of bus stops which is the nearest should be holland ave Blk 12 and opposite it which is directly at holland village MRT. There is another pair of bus stops at holland road. However take note that there is a huge turning curve which makes the bus stops unable to move nearer to holland village MRT as what you want. Take note that there is also huge traffic along holland road and holland avenue precisely because of all the shops nearby and the famous holland village eateries. It is not possible to move the stops at holland road nearer. Cheers. Thanks.

Path Light Stegz SG

There will be more bus services in the future. And the rationalisation will be stopped

iamgoondu SG

If they are unable to improve on bus/train integration, people would still rely on buses to go places, and any bus rationalisation will cause unhappiness. As for me I would still rely on 48 to Dunearn Road and make a bus transfer to Trelis tower. I had tried train, the train/bus transfer at Botanic Gardens tired me.

We have a great train system. It is a pity that they didn't try hard enough to better integrate the bus and train infrastructures.

jurongresident SG

Well, if bus rationalisation did not happen, then there would not be any rationalisation of buses. :)

On a serious note, if bus rationalisation did not happen, this means bus services and train services are independent variables.

If bus services and train services are not mutually exclusive, there would be pros and cons.

Pros: when train breaks down, bus can substitute.

Cons: less revenue on train services.

There is a reason why Malaysia and Indonesia are only building MRT (Mass Rapid Transit) now, and why Indonesia has been so reluctant to build MRT. It costs a lot of money to build MRT. That's why until now Malaysia still uses mostly KTM and LRT, whereas Indonesia is building much more LRT than MRT.

MRT costs a lot. That's why have to reduce bus services to ensure at least some revenue on MRT.

If back then we build the MRT lines as LRT instead, then yes, we could probably let Bus and LRT be independent variables.

Maybe that's why the Jurong Region Line would be a ... Low capacity RTS (Rapid Transit System). Low capacity, but still above the category of LRT and within the category of MRT.

AJQZC SG

Well, if bus rationalisation did not happen, then there would not be any rationalisation of buses. :)

On a serious note, if bus rationalisation did not happen, this means bus services and train services are independent variables.

If bus services and train services are not mutually exclusive, there would be pros and cons.

Pros: when train breaks down, bus can substitute.

Cons: less revenue on train services.

MRT costs a lot. That's why have to reduce bus services to ensure at least some revenue on MRT.

If back then we build the MRT lines as LRT instead, then yes, we could probably let Bus and LRT be independent variables.

Also don't forget ... buses and LRTs would be much more crowded even back in the 1990s - 2000s, it'll be a hell lot of hassle to get from one place to another (esp. cross island), faraway estates (such as Punggol / Woodlands) may not have seen rapid development, and overall these would probably have had discouraged many tourists and/or new migrants to come.