confused about the law

ruixiangz SG

for some reason I just can't understand, our gahmen says no downloading of copyrighted stuff from the internet, including musics and movie

but what about using file sharing programn to get stuff? I mean...that isn't downloading what, just file sharing. What about downloading really old stuff we aren't sure if it is copyrighted such as movies from 1900s and music composed by mozart or something? I mean...these people aren't earning the money anymore isn't it? What about downloading theme songs from movie and TV drama? You can't really buy them from the market can you?

If file sharing is illegal too...that will means sending of files at MSN is also illegal?

Haiz...almost everything in singapore is illegal...the gahmens can't really expect us to buy the whole $30 album just for one piece of song right? Such a 'fine' country...

DailyFreeGames.com SG

Downloading is a broad definition, and I believe it includes file sharing... Such is law I think, the more general the meaning, the better it is so as to minimize loopholes. Downloading is sort of like you transfer data (or perhaps other stuff) from any computer/tv/etc to your machine/eletronics/etc...

If the law is too specific, say no fighting, I would give my enemy a punch of the face and say I'm just exercising my knuckles and my enemy happened to get in the way, then I did not breach the law as I wasn't fighting. But normally the law would instead put terms like no violence, so even if I made a threatening gesture, that should be enough to be classified as violence... haha... *gently walks away*

Devil1976 SG

Don't bother yourself with such questions... If you think closely enough.. There're tons of laws in Singapore which is enough to kick you in the butt, anytime and anywhere. And if you think that's not enough... They can make new law ALMOST anytime they want... It's just a matter of whether they want to EXERCISE THINGS... I expect things to be more 'obvious' as they grab more 'power'..

Sometimes it's funny how they can find all sorts of EXCUSES and take AGES for some things, while other things they want done can be accomplished in such little time without much verification at all..

ANYWAY... I'm sorry I've posted all these.. Just me and my itchy hands I guess?

This topic really shouldn't be in AA...

Ito_^ SG

file sharing is legal because you can use it for legit stuff like sharing legit files. e.g. game demos, really free softwares, etc. because they are p2p, the companies does not need to invest heavily in servers and bandwidth. all they need is some seeds on bt and the majority of the burden is referred to its users - us.

take smoking for example, it is legal, right? but if you add illegal drugs to your ciggy, it becomes illegal. the punishment is not on the smoking but the drugs that you chose to smoke. same concept. file sharing is legal, but the files that you choose to send or receive is not.

old movies may or may not be copyrighted. but for music, it is still illegal if you download a song ripped from a commercial cd even though its ancient. the copyright for this case is not the original song but the song that you took it out from the compilation cd. but its impossible to track. it may be digitally remastered for all you know.

Ito_^ SG

maybe he kana caught liao. Laughing dats y its agonizing.

Eclipzer SG

singapore laws increases much more than we can remember.
unless u study laws =D

jeramy SG

yeah lo.. LAW is LAW. how can law be specific, if law is like that then crime rates will soar like siao liao...

and of course law must protect everything mah.. so that the authorities will have the power to charge people..imagine things like jaywalking and littering, illegal but you wont really kana jialat unless serious circumstances la

zanza SG

File sharing is "downloading" from the internet. As the recent case of the 2 ppl caught showed .

And file sharing by Msn is actually illegal too , only very hard to catch. The only legal use for p2p programs is when the creators of the thing u wish to share specifically give the permission to share it , whether implied or in writing.

heavenlyfire SG

do whatever u wan..just don get caught.

too many law in singapore.

if you know its illegal, just don download too much.

Ito_^ SG

"file sharing" means must share illegal files meh?

chanff8 SG

Depends on what files you sharing/downloading… P2P is allowed, to share personal files/non-copyrighted materials

ruixiangz SG

so if i dun noe if something is illegal to download or not i should not download it lah ?!

when i sae file sharing i mean using programns such as limewire......can use or not?

zanza SG

"file sharing" means must share illegal files meh?

Yes. If you send a file to another person , is that not "sharing" ? If he completes the download , u have "shared" the file .

And no , using programs like Limewire , Kazaa , Etc is not illegal per se.
Whats illegal is using it to download copyrighted content , like music , movies , programs , games Etc.

Ito_^ SG

i type hello in a word document den share cannot meh? i download a game demo den i pass around cannot meh?

Ito_^ SG

can use but cannot download any illegal files.. like mp3s, movies. game demos usually can be publicly distributed, freewares, etc. i think some artists post their stuff on p2p to promote oso.

THG SG

The garmen trying to teach us to be selfish. next time if anyone ask can i borrow yr MP3 player to listen, you say no cuz it's against the law Very Happy

SilverRevo SG

please buy original ....

put yourselves in their shoes bah ....

cd cannot sell .. no renew contract ...

some of the artists quit school for this career ..

how to pick up life again?