SMRT launches Alexander Dennis Enviro 500 MMC

last SG · 2014-05-30T23:42:13+00:00

They will definitely give a bulk of DDs to Sv 190... But SMRT does not have experience with DDs... Why add to the problems of 190... Better to try out on 963...

TIB429E SG

Why 1 ADL between 2 MAN? ADLs should be timed for BPJ peak load starting at 07.20am to 8.30 am - even with 10 minute frequency 8 ADLs can be easily deployed from BPJ Interchange starting at 07.20am.

MANs should do the slots before 07.20am and slots after 08.30am as these would not have as high loading as the earlier slots. Opp direction from Dhoby Ghaut to BPJ does not have high loading.

Idk if it's still happening now, but ADL will always bunch with the back bus. If you put 2 ADL back to back, isn't it better to put 1 ADL n 1 MAN tgt? [Afternoon - Evening]

TIB429E SG

But no more 13 MANs, already 10 MANs, 3 ADLs... soon by Sep, you will have 8 MANs, 6 ADLs... and may be by early next year, you will have 6 MANs and 8 ADLs.

BPJ Ring road also needs service to Sembawang via Woodlands, and in the other direction to Bukit Batok via Petir, Dairy Farm Rd, Upper Bukit Timah... Just one trunk service not enough.

A third service I will propose is from CCK Interchange via Ten Mile Junction to BPJ Ring road (loop here).

I don't think they will put more ADL than MAN on 972. Don't forget 190 will be getting more ADLs(perhaps the entire replacement of bendy in the fleet + some slots converting bendy to SD)

But if they do, it's still a good choice.

BusAnalayzer SG

I don't think they will put more ADL than MAN on 972. Don't forget 190 will be getting more ADLs(perhaps the entire replacement of bendy in the fleet + some slots converting bendy to SD)

But if they do, it's still a good choice.

Different right bro... 972 is BSEP... willl get buses from BSEP quota.. 190 will get 3 MAN BSEPs to ADLs but the bendies have to be replaced from SMRT side.

BusAnalayzer SG

Idk if it's still happening now, but ADL will always bunch with the back bus. If you put 2 ADL back to back, isn't it better to put 1 ADL n 1 MAN tgt? [Afternoon - Evening]

I would say you need to deploy DDs in the prime time for BPJ ring road.. no point deploying DDs after the AM peak is over... Putting a MAN, can still have MAN then DD behind, having the MAN packed with 70ppl and DD behind still under-utilized.

Scheduling needs to be done such that DDs are at a 10-12 minute time interval from each other to sweep off the prime time load. I think 88/161/168 are managing with back to back DDs well... with very less bunching.

carbikebus SG

190 might get 15 DDs for a start(bendy to DD) then add another 5 progressively
972 might get another 3 the most

And dont leave out that LTA will order another 50 more DDs to replace old bendies or fleet replacement.

See SMRT quite smart actually,They order in small quantities first in hope that LTA will fund other buses..Im not surprised if LTA decided to add another 60-70 A24s for feeders and short trunks

iveco SG

190 might get 15 DDs for a start(bendy to DD) then add another 5 progressively
972 might get another 3 the most

And dont leave out that LTA will order another 50 more DDs to replace old bendies or fleet replacement.

See SMRT quite smart actually,They order in small quantities first in hope that LTA will fund other buses..Im not surprised if LTA decided to add another 60-70 A24s for feeders and short trunks

That being said, will LTA decide to put bendies on Townlinks 222/265/291/293/359? What about 238/243/334/410?

carbikebus SG

SBST im sure they wont buy bendies la bro…beside LTA wanna reduce the number of bendies plying city and highly congested areas..The only WAB bendies will ply trunk svc in future is only 176,962 & 964.

BusAnalayzer SG

190 might get 15 DDs for a start(bendy to DD) then add another 5 progressively
972 might get another 3 the most

And dont leave out that LTA will order another 50 more DDs to replace old bendies or fleet replacement.

See SMRT quite smart actually,They order in small quantities first in hope that LTA will fund other buses..Im not surprised if LTA decided to add another 60-70 A24s for feeders and short trunks

LTA will not buy any A24s. If they had to, they would have bought bendies when they placed such a huge order for Wrights for SBST. LTA does not like and approve bendy for the many reasons we have outlined before.

But LTA is okay with SMRT having bendies that it can ply on feeders/intra-towns. So it is upto SMRT to place more order for A24s. If SMRT feels comfortable with DDs, it might just order more DDs even for some longer feeder/intra town services.

BusAnalayzer SG

and sv 67 too - needs bendies most.. unless roads are upgraded to ply DDs.

ButIAmAToilet SG

That being said, will LTA decide to put bendies on Townlinks 222/265/291/293/359? What about 238/243/334/410?

If it does happens, IMO, priority should be given to 222/268. Both have heavy turnovers at Bedok/AMK MRT stop, and 222 often got stuck at Bedok MRT stop due to the number alighting, then boarding. (Not sure about 268) Compared with other TL, 222/268 do both its unloading/loading at the same place (most TLs use alighting berth for unload, and own berths for loading). So it took up both space and time, which delays other services waiting to use those stops, which snowballs into everyone getting delayed. While bendies are longer and took up more space, they spend less time at the stop, which is vital, seeing the amount of services using thise stops.

BusAnalayzer SG

Lets not talk about bendies v/s DDs...

I can only say both 222/268 are extremely bad option for bendies... Have you see the number of bus services calling at Bedok and AMK MRT stop? If more bendies start stopping there, you will have a queue of buses.. further increasing the time to load/unload.

TPS Timothy Mok SG

and sv 67 too - needs bendies most.. unless roads are upgraded to ply DDs.

67 will get upgraded to DDs soon because 960 is also getting DDs and could be sometime now.

TPS Timothy Mok SG

176?????? The trees could be the next priority according to the SMRT news report, together with Ang Mo Kio Depot.

BusAnalayzer SG

67 will get upgraded to DDs soon because 960 is also getting DDs and could be sometime now.

Looking forward to DDs on 67 and 176, if the trees are pruned in time.

SMB145B SG

176?????? The trees could be the next priority according to the SMRT news report, together with Ang Mo Kio Depot.

some other bus services are waiting for it, not just 167.

carbikebus SG

Tree pruning is not a problem but got to take consideration of road width,Tons permitted,height restrictions..

LTA never say they totally ban bendies except that theyre more suitable for feeders..Thats why SMRT orders DDs exclusively for long trunk svc..A24s for feeders..How on earth LTA wanna buy bendies if SMRT havent order the production batch first?By right LTA also dont wish to fund A22s due to its awesome horsepower and torque for a single deckers but its the core SMRT single deckers for now.Sooner or later all the buses will be belong to LTA so why they care?They got the incumbents maintain and repairs for them they only know profit earned,Cant perform after 5 years they will tender to other parties

TIB429E SG

Let's not talk about the space...but imagine all feeder/intra-towns/townlinks having full fleet SD....are you going to deploy buses at 5-7 mins? Do you have the manpower?

And if you are deploying DD, are the elderlies/lazy people/"2-stops only passengers" going to go up to the upper deck? Apparently, I took svc like 285/14/147/166, either at Clementi or at Buona Vista towards Clementi Stn, the upper deck are mostly empty...while the lower deck would be packed.

SBS5010P SG

Dont really agree on 147.. Everybody is snatching the upper deck seats .

TIB1234T SG

Another batch is here… Silver E500 with tradeplate, no rego, just passedby Marsiling MRT @ 2018hr yesterday towards WLBP…

SMB145B SG

Let's not talk about the space...but imagine all feeder/intra-towns/townlinks having full fleet SD....are you going to deploy buses at 5-7 mins? Do you have the manpower?

147 ... should have been full fleet DD.

all of these svc terminates at Clementi. wrong stop to look out for these services.

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