SMRT launches Alexander Dennis Enviro 500 MMC

last SG · 2014-05-30T23:42:13+00:00

They will definitely give a bulk of DDs to Sv 190... But SMRT does not have experience with DDs... Why add to the problems of 190... Better to try out on 963...

carbikebus SG

850 starts from Sembawang,Yishun then follow 850E routes to cbd and ends at Shenton Way via Marina boulevard better..850E can reduce to 4 trips for AM and 3 trips for PM.

Wldep 11 A/P 3 S —- Amdep 4 A/P 2 S

Wldep 9 ADL E500 & 5 A22——Amdep 4 A22 & 2 OC..Non Bsep svc

BusAnalayzer SG

850 starts from Sembawang,Yishun then follow 850E routes to cbd and ends at Shenton Way via Marina boulevard better..850E can reduce to 4 trips for AM and 3 trips for PM.

Wldep 11 A/P 3 S —- Amdep 4 A/P 2 S

Wldep 9 ADL E500 & 5 A22——Amdep 4 A22 & 2 OC..Non Bsep svc

The only problem of such route is return leg will be completely empty, hence will be difficult to implement.

But LTA should consider introducing route from Sembawang via Yishun Ring road connecting to Bukit Batok/CCK area or connecting to St.Michael's... such route will get pax in both direction.

For CBD 850E kind of routes are best.

JurongWestresident SG

The only problem of such route is return leg will be completely empty, hence will be difficult to implement.

You mentioned about "P variant" services before, at around May this year, where the services only operate in one direction, without returning to their origins.

We can have "P variant" services on such routes.

BusAnalayzer SG

You mentioned about "P variant" services before, at around May this year, where the services only operate in one direction, without returning to their origins.

We can have "P variant" services on such routes.

I dont like the P variant concept.. it is useless... and waste of resources.

When you have the "E" variant.. what's the need for the P variant.

Let's look at the current P variants we have.

240P (goes totally empty)

268P (goes totally empty)

307P (doing okay... but never to the capacity of sv 307)

291P (people are forced to board by ground staff... yet each bus only takes 30 pax or so while SBST buses take 70 pax and DDs take 80+ pax

293P (same as 291P)

358P/359P (doing okay... as capacity on existing services not good enough... 359 would be a good case for DDs)

222P (doing okay.. but only 20-25 pax... compared to what SBST services get)

* Also note the P variants are much slower than SBST services as the P buses wait longer at bus stops, almost trying to convince people to board.

ButIAmAToilet SG

I dont like the P variant concept.. it is useless... and waste of resources.

When you have the "E" variant.. what's the need for the P variant.

Let's look at the current P variants we have.

240P (goes totally empty)

268P (goes totally empty)

307P (doing okay... but never to the capacity of sv 307)

291P (people are forced to board by ground staff... yet each bus only takes 30 pax or so while SBST buses take 70 pax and DDs take 80+ pax

293P (same as 291P)

358P/359P (doing okay... as capacity on existing services not good enough... 359 would be a good case for DDs)

222P (doing okay.. but only 20-25 pax... compared to what SBST services get)

* Also note the P variants are much slower than SBST services as the P buses wait longer at bus stops, almost trying to convince people to board.

222P's loading depends whether 222 or 22P arrive at Ping Yi Sec first during PM Peak. If it arrives before 222, 222P can get almost full load sometimes. 222P should be extended to at least Bedok 85 to help 222 clear the Bedok North pax at Bedok MRT. 222 DDs rarely clear that pax alone.

BusAnalayzer SG

Not sure I agree with you if you really see the # of pax. But yes one of the P services doing better than most others. I hate the P variants and the kind of buses they use on it. Just my opinion.

wsy1234 SG

I dont like the P variant concept.. it is useless... and waste of resources.

When you have the "E" variant.. what's the need for the P variant.

Let's look at the current P variants we have.

240P (goes totally empty)

268P (goes totally empty)

307P (doing okay... but never to the capacity of sv 307)

291P (people are forced to board by ground staff... yet each bus only takes 30 pax or so while SBST buses take 70 pax and DDs take 80+ pax

293P (same as 291P)

358P/359P (doing okay... as capacity on existing services not good enough... 359 would be a good case for DDs)

222P (doing okay.. but only 20-25 pax... compared to what SBST services get)

* Also note the P variants are much slower than SBST services as the P buses wait longer at bus stops, almost trying to convince people to board.

the P service should use sign board like the old sbs service big red sign board and at the side also the sbst type of sign plate also LTA should put up note on the bus stop for people to know about the service and LTA adv on the side of the bus.

ButIAmAToilet SG

Not sure I agree with you if you really see the # of pax. But yes one of the P services doing better than most others. I hate the P variants and the kind of buses they use on it. Just my opinion.

Since I took 222/222P after I end work from Ping Yi Sec towards Bedok MRT almost every weekday, I guess we could classify it as first-hand experience

BusAnalayzer SG

Since I took 222/222P after I end work from Ping Yi Sec towards Bedok MRT almost every weekday, I guess we could classify it as first-hand experience

If you see a 222/222P coming together, do you have a preference?

carbikebus SG

The only problem of such route is return leg will be completely empty, hence will be difficult to implement.

But LTA should consider introducing route from Sembawang via Yishun Ring road connecting to Bukit Batok/CCK area or connecting to St.Michael's... such route will get pax in both direction.

For CBD 850E kind of routes are best.

Then should terminate at Buona Vista...Wldep and Budep control..Im sure theres catchment..The peak hours and weekends trips enough to cover the daily runs

ButIAmAToilet SG

If you see a 222/222P coming together, do you have a preference?

Crowds seems evenly split if those two services comes together. I normally took the one at the front, or the one my friends are taking. I can do a week worth of riding 222/222P for you if you want, but I will probably reply in a more relevant topic (maybe the loading one), as we are going off-topic here.

BusAnalayzer SG

Yes ok and post it in relevant thread.

SBS3004X SG

Wrong thread

carbikebus SG

SMB3519L spotted at Kranji

TIB1234T SG

SMB3519L spotted at Kranji

This morning still at WLBP, which is why I also saw many shifting inside WLBP, very messy... Those new A22s parking near the gate were having EDS updating...

EDS updating:
SMB1457U, SMB1458S, SMB1459P, SMB1462D

CCTV checking:
SMB1459P

Engine checking:
New E500MMC without rego

carbikebus SG

Hmm these few weeks might see shuffling of buses between Wldep,Wlbp,Kjdep & Budep..Wldep should take a few units of OCs and O530s from Kjdep and Amdep respectively..

SBS 9631X SG

I dont like the P variant concept.. it is useless... and waste of resources.

When you have the "E" variant.. what's the need for the P variant.

Let's look at the current P variants we have.

358P/359P (doing okay... as capacity on existing services not good enough... 359 would be a good case for DDs)

* Also note the P variants are much slower than SBST services as the P buses wait longer at bus stops, almost trying to convince people to board.

It's abit OT, but if you do realise, what they did for Sv 358P & 359P, was that they got the staff from the private operators to stand at the Int at the berth. And then when the private buses come, the staff will shoo the pax (or if you prefer a more direct manner, force the pax) up onto the private buses plying Sv 358's & 359's route.

The return trips are usually less than 30% full from what i observe for Sv 359P, even during Peak..

BusAnalayzer SG

The return trips are usually less than 30% full from what i observe for Sv 359P, even during Peak..

Same case for 291P and 293P where I have seen ground staff literally force people to take bus. Seen so many people not wanting to board those ugly buses... People who don't like to stand in queue.. Happily board.

Bus Stopping SG

That's a real waste, considering the amount of money poured in is quite significant.

wsy1234 SG

I thought LTA has some kind standard for those so call public bus? like doors must be like those sbst or smrt buses size must be able to carry at least 80 people? I think LTA should set a standard for those PTE bus company which win the licence for public bus operator. like having a sign board with big display like those use in sbst old bus

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