Bus interchange expansions for Tampines & Sengkang

carbikebus SG

Punggol will get new Int later..Most probably 83,84 might start from Sengkang if the extension completed.

dupdup77 SG

Punggol will get new Int later..Most probably 83,84 might start from Sengkang if the extension completed.

Hi mr carbikebus, 84 got chance start from sengkang. 83 not possible. 83 is a very important service for Punggol central and Punggol east and Punggol field residents. By reversing the starting interchange for sbs 83 will greatly inconvenience Punggol residents. Sbs 83 functions as an important feeder for these groups of residents. Besides sbs 83, there is only sbs 3 which serves the same purpose. Cheers.

BusAnalayzer SG

You forgot sbs 85.

dupdup77 SG

You forgot sbs 85.

Hi mr busanalyser, I did not forget sbs 85. Firstly, its frequency is much longer than sbs 3 and 83. Secondly, sbs 85 does not go Punggol field. So it does not function as a service for residents going from Punggol central and east to Punggol field. Cheers.

BusAnalayzer SG

Okay. My point of view.

Main feeder use is for Punggol Central connection to MRT as LRT is not there. For Punggol Field, LRT and sv 62 connect to MRT faster than 3/83.

If it is purely connecting sv 3/83 between Punggol Field/Central... firstly not too many pax... secondly 2 services are good enough..

If we see like that no connection between Punggol West and Punggol Central/Field towns or Punggol Dr and Punggol Central.

I agree to your point that Punggol Central residents need timely buses to come to connect to MRT. Hence, even sv 85 is important to clear loads. 3,83,85 + a new trunk in future would be good enough to take care of the loads here.

SMB145B SG

Not possible. In every town, people use trunk services as feeder to get home, even if there is a dedicated feeder.

For instance, if someone wants to travel to Bedok Reservoir Rd (west of North Ave 3) from Bedok MRT, they have an option of taking sv 66 (trunk) or sv 228 (feeder). They will take whichever comes first. if you isolate one from the other, you will have to add more buses to sv 228 to manage the load. This is not practical.

Same goes for many other services like 28, 29, 293 etc.

who here takes 161/168 over 901/912 (Woodlands Ave 2), 965 over 804/812 (Yishun Ave 2)? trunks usually have bad frequency as the feeders, 300 vs 67

SMB145B SG

LTA more buses but smaller ITHs build,then drivers everytime near miss or accidents..For now the only bigger Int left is Bukit Merah,Tampines,Woodlands..the most pathetic for now is Punggol during peak hours,Drivers wasted their break time just to find parking lots,Same case for Hougang..Worse if its raining..Hope Yishun ITH wont share the same fate as any newer ITHs..Now awaiting for Bukit Panjang

the AMK one is reduced to half its area. the adjacent plot is taken by the centro residences. bad idea, and there is cases of wrights hitting the corner. even Mk IIIs also hit it.

dupdup77 SG

Okay. My point of view.

Main feeder use is for Punggol Central connection to MRT as LRT is not there. For Punggol Field, LRT and sv 62 connect to MRT faster than 3/83.

If it is purely connecting sv 3/83 between Punggol Field/Central... firstly not too many pax... secondly 2 services are good enough..

If we see like that no connection between Punggol West and Punggol Central/Field towns or Punggol Dr and Punggol Central.

Hi mr busanalyser,

For Punggol field, LRT is faster to mrt. Sbs 3 and 83 (even one round from field to mrt) is as fast as sbs 62 (due to its poor frequency because of loop service). Many people rather walk to opposite stop take sbs 3 and sbs 83 to mrt.

Sbs 3 and sbs 83 are the only two services connecting Punggol field and central so mr carbikebus suggestion to make sbs 83 start from sengkang is out. If start from sengkang, sbs 83 may be jammed at Punggol road (before going to Punggol) causing bad frequencies. Furthermore sbs 3 is already subjected to winding roads at pasir ris and highly susceptible to jams at TPE before turning into Punggol. That will be disastrous for Punggol residents if sbs 3 and sbs 83 are being touched currently.

For punggol west, current way is LRT. For Punggol drive to central, walk or do transfer by sbs 50.

For those staying at Punggol central, sbs 3 and sbs 83 are crucial. Sbs 85 helps sometimes only purely due to its poor frequency. Yes a new trunk is needed at this moment.

Most residents are already hoping Punggol gets 2 bus services in Q1 2015. One will be trunk and one will be feeder. Out of 4 new services planned, 1 go to queens town and 1 to CCK and 2 to Punggol. In terms of new HDB flats, this should be fair. It is anybody's guess currently until the new routes are announced: Cheers.

BusAnalayzer SG

Hi mr busanalyser,

For punggol west, current way is LRT. For Punggol drive to central, walk or do transfer by sbs 50.

For those staying at Punggol central, sbs 3 and sbs 83 are crucial. Sbs 85 helps sometimes only purely due to its poor frequency. Yes a new trunk is needed at this moment.

Feeder for Punggol - what's your guess? I don't see scope for feeder service right now unless it is to Nibong, but you have LRT for few flats opened there.

I suspect Punggol will get a trunk this time.

BusAnalayzer SG

Maybe CCK is the one that will get 2 new services. 1 feeder 301 to complement sv 300 and another as short trunk to Bukit Batok via Gambok.

BusAnalayzer SG

Hi mr busanalyser,

For punggol west, current way is LRT. For Punggol drive to central, walk or do transfer by sbs 50.

For those staying at Punggol central, sbs 3 and sbs 83 are crucial. Sbs 85 helps sometimes only purely due to its poor frequency. Yes a new trunk is needed at this moment.

Hi mr. dupdup77,

I feel your reasoning is a little flawed over here on your bolded part. Let me explain my view point.

If sv83 originates from Sengkang, you are saying there will be an issue as bus might get delayed along Punggol road. How does that make a difference? Does it not get even more delayed today? As it originates from Punggol, it will do Punggol road twice, get delayed within Sengkang Interchange near the alighting and boarding bus bays. By the time it reaches Punggol Central, bus will be delayed.

Now compare this to sv 83 originating at Sengkang. Bus will leave on time. AM delay along Punggol road will be less (more delay will be in opposite direction). Buses will come more timely to Punggol Central for ppl to connect to MRT.

From Punggol Interchange, you will have sv 3 and 85 that will leave on time, given that they will originate from there itself.

Hence, I feel for Punggol Central residents it will be beneficial if sv 83 originates from Sengkang instead to have more timely buses to MRT.

Don't you agree with my reasoning?

dupdup77 SG

Hi mr. dupdup77,

I feel your reasoning is a little flawed over here on your bolded part. Let me explain my view point.

From Punggol Interchange, you will have sv 3 and 85 that will leave on time, given that they will originate from there itself.

Hence, I feel for Punggol Central residents it will be beneficial if sv 83 originates from Sengkang instead to have more timely buses to MRT.

Don't you agree with my reasoning?

Hi mr busanalyser, no.

You cannot leave it to sbs 3 and sbs 85 (with much poorer frequencies) to handle the crowds. You cannot expect sbs 83 to come into Punggol interchange and wait down there along the drive-in until a suitable time then drive to pick-up people. If like this, sbs 83 frequency will become erratic.

This is what is happening in sengkang interchange right now. It is possible in sengkang because the main crowd for sbs 83 is coming from the people inside compass point. Once a critical mass of people starts to assemble, then sbs 83 comes along and picks them up.

Why they do it this way from Punggol int is they need give sbs 83 sufficient load to carry from Punggol to the HDB flats all around. If they reverse it, sbs 83 may be empty from interchange and sbs 3 will be super crowded as most people will flock to sbs 3. Sbs 3 is already crowded giving the fact that it is the only Punggol service that turns one whole loop and stops at TPE stop. So sbs 83 must continue from Punggol int first to be the main service that spreads people from Punggol mrt to Punggol central. Cheers.

ButIAmAToilet SG

I am getting a bit confused about the convo between the two of you. So far, what I can understand is this.

83 will only leave SK Int after a certain amount of pax is there to board 83. If the same system is applied to Punggol, pax will shift to 3 and 85 instead.

Can the two of you (or one) explain what might be the scenario if:

AM Peak originated from Punggol

AM Peak originated from SK

PM Peak originated from Punggol

PM Peak originated from SK

I think this will help make the issue clearer to understand

BusAnalayzer SG

I am getting a bit confused about the convo between the two of you. So far, what I can understand is this.

83 will only leave SK Int after a certain amount of pax is there to board 83. If the same system is applied to Punggol, pax will shift to 3 and 85 instead.

Can the two of you (or one) explain what might be the scenario if:

AM Peak originated from Punggol

AM Peak originated from SK

PM Peak originated from Punggol

PM Peak originated from SK

I think this will help make the issue clearer to understand

Actually I am very confused with dupdup's reply as well. Hence, I just decided not to reply and end up in an argument.

For me, I don't get his logic. carbikebus proposed that 83 might start from Sengkang Interchange in future and loop around Punggol Interchange (today it is the other way round). To this dupdup said sv 83 starting from Sengkang will greatly inconvenience Punggol Central residents as sv 83 acts like a feeder. To this I replied saying I don't understand how.

My stance is if sv 83 starts from Sengkang, it will be more on-time for Punggol Central residents than if it starts from Punggol as it will do a full loop and come back.For those returning home, they can see the screen and decide which bus out of 3/83/85 to take home and since it is starting point for sv 3/85... it will be on time even if sv 83 gets delayed as it originates from Sengkang (ideally should not get delayed as it is a small route, some feeder routes are longer). So I don't get his logic. Now in his reply he says, from interchange otherwise pax will shift to sv 3 and crowd that service. So I am confused. If you understand better, let me know :)

dupdup77 SG

I am getting a bit confused about the convo between the two of you. So far, what I can understand is this.

83 will only leave SK Int after a certain amount of pax is there to board 83. If the same system is applied to Punggol, pax will shift to 3 and 85 instead.

Can the two of you (or one) explain what might be the scenario if:

AM Peak originated from Punggol

AM Peak originated from SK

PM Peak originated from Punggol

PM Peak originated from SK

I think this will help make the issue clearer to understand

Hi mr ButIAmAToilet, to make it simplified, sbs 83 needs start directly from Punggol to sengkang loop. The demand for sbs 83 is high at Punggol side. Cheers.

dupdup77 SG

Actually I am very confused with dupdup's reply as well. Hence, I just decided not to reply and end up in an argument.

Hi mr busanalyser, as of current loading status in Punggol central, it is best to have both sbs 3 and sbs 83 start direct from Punggol int. Demand is getting higher and at present, sbs 3, 83 and 85 (to a much lesser extent due to its poorer frequency) brings people fast to various stops. By reversing sbs 83, demand for Punggol central is going to be worse due to people flocking to sbs 3. Sbs 85 is too infrequent. Furthermore, sbs 3/83/85 are all single decked and this is problematic. If only LTA introduces 1 more service to Punggol central, then it will be okay to reverse sbs 83. But I sincerely doubt so.

If you all notice hard at Punggol interchange, sbs transit always plans for sbs 83 to come first, then sbs 3 a few min later to fetch people. They recognize that sbs 83 functions as a feeder and sbs 3 as a trunk service to pasir ris/tampines. They want an even spread out of people as far as possible to avoid sbs 3 to be overcrowded with people (mostly to pasir ris).

Have sbs 3 come first, then sbs 83 will have lesser crowds. Spend some time at Punggol interchange and you can easily notice sbs 3 and sbs 83 getting regular crowds at most times. It is currently the right time to introduce 1 more service to Punggol central and certainly not reversing sbs 83. Cheers.

BusAnalayzer SG

Okay. You mentioned that you expect a feeder and trunk service to be introduced in Punggol in Q1. What is your prediction?

I think feeder is not possible. where in Punggol do you see need of feeder at this moment? The flats at Matilda, Sumang west not ready yet to warrant feeder. The flats at Nibong have LRT.

dupdup77 SG

Okay. You mentioned that you expect a feeder and trunk service to be introduced in Punggol in Q1. What is your prediction?

I think feeder is not possible. where in Punggol do you see need of feeder at this moment? The flats at Matilda, Sumang west not ready yet to warrant feeder. The flats at Nibong have LRT.

Hi mr busanalyser, it is a 50-50 fight between CCK and Punggol. Not sure CCK or Punggol will get the 2nd route.

If it is Punggol, it may be bus int (Punggol place)- Punggol central-edgedale plains (horizon primary school)-edgedale plains end then come out Punggol drive-loop at Punggol east then whole stretch of Punggol central to punggol bus int. What do you think? Cheers.

carbikebus SG

Dupdup,There is no significant difference if 83 starts from Sengkang and loops at Punggol Int to ease the overcrowding at Punggol.84 also might be good can passby just outside Punggol Int before heading to its original route.Punggol getting worse now,BCs complain they always late during meal breaks cause finding parking lot during peak hours

dupdup77 SG

Hi mr carbikebus, there is a significant difference. Sbs 3 and sbs 83 are being controlled currently to fetch residents from Punggol int to central. If sbs 83 is being reversed, the control will not be there. Sbs 3 may end up being overcrowded. Sbs 83 currently picks mass number of people at sengkang int. This causes Sbs 83 to have a lag when coming out of sengkang bus interchange. Since you were from SBST before, you should know that Sbs 83 fetches lots of people at Punggol int before Sbs 3. Sometimes Sbs 3 comes earlier than Sbs 83 and gets the main bulk of people. In most cases, sbs 83 comes earlier and gets the lion share of people at interchange to Punggol central.

By the way, the new sengkang interchange is to provide new services to anchorvale/fernvale and other areas. It is certainly not to do reversal of Sbs 83. Cheers.

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