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Land Transport Authority of Singapore. (2014). Joint news release by the Land Transport Authority, SBST & SMRT - Bus Service Reliability Framework [News...

Bus Stopping SG

A trunk route (either new or by extension) for Yew Tee would be very useful for the residents and reduce the reliance on the MRT.

Otherwise, a feeder route from Yew Tee (either new or existing) should at least connect with the Downtown Line at Bukit Panjang in future.

I am especially interested in a short inter-town service between yew tee and bukit panjang.

With the increase in capacity of buses serving bpj now, it is a good solution to relieve some transport woes for residents in yew tee even before DTL comes online.

SBS7557R SG

It was funny that 63 didn't stop here. Good move,

Because 63 has to turn to Ubi Ave 2 from Ubi Ave 1 while other routes just ply straight.

dupdup77 SG

There is nothing wrong with being lazy, everyone is lazy at some point of time. The issue is the fares is too low and it promotes more people to be lazy, creating induced demand which is unsustainable.

Perhaps you have not been paying adult fares in 2008 but the transfer rebate is only 25c before 2008, that is nearly 50c bus fare if you choose to transfer for 2-3 stops. Distance fare for transferring to 302A will only be 0c to 20c at most, but for most who transfer from MRT it does not exceed 10c, you can check the fare table.

Considering a fair 3 trips per hour per bus, (20mins per round including uturn and rest), and 50 pax at 20c, the fare revenue is only $30 per hour. This is barely even enough to cover the fuel cost and wages of the bc, not to even mention the cost of having 1 additional bus placed on 302A which could be put to better use. The service is subsidised using 1.1billion bsep funds, so there is reasons to be accountable for this.

I would not be surprised if the bus fares would hike as much as 20-30% in the next 2-3 years if they continue to promote such use of buses.

Hi mr bus stopping, why do you keep linking laziness to feeder bus services? Why do you keep linking low fares to laziness??? Do you know what is public transport for? Public transport is to link everybody to 400 metres of their destination. That is why there should be a bus stop within 400-500 metres.

Going by your reasoning, we need to remove many feeder services in many parts of singapore. All human beings must start to walk to mrt or walk home. How could this be advocated where everybody walks irregardless of distance? A normal adult should be able to walk within 400 metres regularly, not more. Have you ever considered that not everybody who takes feeder buses/trunk services leading to mrt are lazy? Some have medical conditions. Some sleep late at night and some look after babies at night. They are tired.

I pay adult fares la. In yr 2008 fare structure, 25 cents rebate is for transfer to feeder service. 50 cents rebate is transfer to trunk service. Trunk can act as feeder if it bypasses your house. Cheers.

Bus Stopping SG

Precisely! You have hit the point.

"Public transport is to link everybody to 400 metres of their destination."

That means 800m per bus stop and not 400m.

The rebate for trunk bus, industrial services, feeder bus services and intra-town/Town-link service, the MRT or LRT transfers are :

25¢ for Adult, Senior Citizen, NSF and Tertiary Student ez-link card users

http://web.archive.org/web/20071217215640/http://www.transitlink.com.sg/transfer.html#2

SBS3004X SG

So feeder bus services should not stop within 400 metres of an MRT station except at the MRT station itself?

dupdup77 SG

Precisely! You have hit the point.

"Public transport is to link everybody to 400 metres of their destination."

That means 800m per bus stop and not 400m.

The rebate for trunk bus, industrial services, feeder bus services and intra-town/Town-link service, the MRT or LRT transfers are :

25¢ for Adult, Senior Citizen, NSF and Tertiary Student ez-link card users

http://web.archive.org/web/20071217215640/http://www.transitlink.com.sg/transfer.html#2

Hi mr bus stopping, I need to clarify. You hit the wrong point though. Everybody will have a bus stop WITHIN 400 metres from their house. Not minimum 400 metres. Some have it 10 metres, some 100 metres, some 200 metres. So the feeder bus or trunk bus service will bring them to that bus stop.

Everywhere in Singapore, from 1 bus stop to 1 bus stop is 400-500 metres apart IN GENERAL. Not 800 metres. Take out your handphone and see any bus applications with distance and you will know that. 800 metres is 2 bus stop length. The purpose of feeder bus is to bring people directly to the nearest stop. So from that stop within a 400 metres range will be his destination which could be anything from 0 to 400 metres away. A normal adult walking distance is within 400 metres.

So your belief on whoever hit the point is wrong. The bus service should bring people to their designated bus stop. If the person lives within 10 metres of bus stop, it is his problem. If he has to walk 200 metres from that stop, it is within walking distance and is his problem.

However if you think everybody should walk 1km home from the MRT, so it is up to you. You are living in a fantasy world, then feel free to propose to LTA to cancel off all feeder services so that you think fares will drop. LTA will be laughing behind their back on receiving such nonsensical proposals expecting everybody to walk.

And if you think those working professionals will change their habits not to take bus because it is to save less than 10 cents per transfer, so be it. Some cannot be even bothered. They just tap their card because they want to go home earlier as they have other tasks ahead or want to prepare for the rigours of work the next day. You think they really care if they deduct 3 cents or 15 cents? They have a transport budget monthly and don't really care. They only care that they must take bus in order to avoid taking the expensive cab. Cheers!

dupdup77 SG

So feeder bus services should not stop within 400 metres of an MRT station except at the MRT station itself?

Hi mr SBS3004X, no. There is no such policy. Feeder bus services can and should stop within 400 metres of an MRT station and then stop again inside the bus interchange/MRT. Cheers.

Bus Stopping SG

And if you think those working professionals will change their habits not to take bus because it is to save less than 10 cents per transfer, so be it. Cheers!

I dont think you are understanding what you are writing yourself.

~400m to bus stop = 800m bus stop distance (this is what you are saying)

~200m to bus stop = 400m bus stop distance (reality now)

dupdup77 SG

I dont think you are understanding what you are writing yourself.

~400m to bus stop = 800m bus stop distance (this is what you are saying)

~200m to bus stop = 400m bus stop distance (reality now)

Hi mr bus stopping, please read carefully.

Every home will have a bus stop within 400 metres (can be 0 to 400 metres)

The feeder bus will bring them to this bus stop.

So the person will need to walk from 0 to 400 metres depending on the exact location.

If you fail to get this, I have nothing to say. Cheers.

Bus Stopping SG

Hi mr bus stopping, please read carefully.

Every home will have a bus stop within 400 metres (can be 0 to 400 metres)

The feeder bus will bring them to this bus stop.

So the person will need to walk from 0 to 400 metres depending on the exact location.

If you fail to get this, I have nothing to say. Cheers.

I guess we have to agree to disagree.

In theory, that is what LTA is intending to do.

In reality, bus stops have been placed much nearer than needed to fulfil the 400m walking distance.

Gus.chong SG

Hi mr bus stopping, please read carefully.

Every home will have a bus stop within 400 metres (can be 0 to 400 metres)

The feeder bus will bring them to this bus stop.

So the person will need to walk from 0 to 400 metres depending on the exact location.

If you fail to get this, I have nothing to say. Cheers.

He is referring to your sentence that he claimed you have gotten his point. When you say 'Public transport is to link everybody to (within, I suppose) 400 metres of their destination.', it actually implied that the complete distance from one destination to another may be more than 400m (if inclusive of walking), you are not saying 'public transport is to link everybody to their destination', and I find it somewhat incomplete.

Seriously I have a hard time trying to understand what both of you are saying. I suppose his case is that the feeder short trip introduced is because most of the passengers will have to walk for more than 400m to any of the destinations when they could have taken a bus directly from the nearest bus stop, should a typical 302 bus reaching Yew Tee MRT be packed with passengers. Care to enlighten me if I'm wrong.

dupdup77 SG

Hi mr Gus.Chong, when I say public transport is to link everybody to 400 metres of their destination, I mean the feeder/trunk bus will bring a resident to the nearest bus stop for their destination. Within 400 metres means 0 to 400 metres. If his office or home is just next to the bus stop, good for the guy. He just needs walk 20 metres or even less. If his office is at the one corner requiring 300 metres walk, then sorry for him. He needs walk 300 metres. In a normal case, a bus stop is normally 0 to 400 metres from a particular point. I do not mean walk 200 metres plus another 400 metres from the bus stop = 600 metres. Cheers.

Bus Stopping SG

Gus, the intention of the original post was to highlight the unsustainability of short trips/routes such as 302A which is launching soon. It is not about distance to bus stops, etc.

As a fellow fare paying adult, I am concerned because of the following:

1. Distance based fares introduced in 2010 makes it very attractive for passengers to use bus services (not just feeders, but trunks) as a last mile connection to their door step.

2. However, due to the current fare structure, the portion of fare revenue from the total distance fare distributed to such bus rides is little compared to the long train ride. This has been highlighted in the FRMC's report last year. (Page 66-67 of link)

3. This creates a scenario which is unsustainable because the fare revenue from these very short distance fares is not enough to cover for the operations of such short trips/services. Also note that buses have to be added during peak hour, which could be put to better use on new links between towns.

4. With more introductions of such services, there will be induced demand created (the more capacity added, the more people will use such services).

5. This creates a vicious cycle, and eventually, it is the rest of the commuters that have to bear such costs with substantial fare hikes.

dupdup77 SG

Precisely! You have hit the point.

"Public transport is to link everybody to 400 metres of their destination."

That means 800m per bus stop and not 400m.

The rebate for trunk bus, industrial services, feeder bus services and intra-town/Town-link service, the MRT or LRT transfers are :

25¢ for Adult, Senior Citizen, NSF and Tertiary Student ez-link card users

http://web.archive.org/web/20071217215640/http://www.transitlink.com.sg/transfer.html#2

Hi mr bus stopping, the transfer rebate is 50 cents, not 25 cents. It was implemented in early 2009 when they doubled the transfer rebates. I remembered very clearly about this. I practically take bus to work every weekday so it is not possible I could have remembered wrongly. You can go and ask other adults in this forum. Cheers.

Bus Stopping SG

The transfer rebate was improved from 25c to 50c in early 2009 after LTMP2008 was announced as a progressive rate towards distance fare.

It has been 25c for many years before that change.

Gus.chong SG

He is talking about such a situation should it occur before 2008...

Gus.chong SG

The transfer rebate was improved from 25c to 50c in early 2009 after LTMP2008 was announced as a progressive rate towards distance fare.

It has been 25c for many years before that change.

Before 1st October 2008: 25c transfer rebate
1st October 2008 - 31st March 2009: 40c transfer rebate
1st April 2009 - 2nd July 2010: 50c transfer rebate

Essentially the transfer rebate was increased twice during that period of time 2008-2009.

Bus Stopping SG

Before 1st October 2008: 25c transfer rebate
1st October 2008 - 31st March 2009: 40c transfer rebate
1st April 2009 - 2nd July 2010: 50c transfer rebate

Essentially the transfer rebate was increased twice during that period of time 2008-2009.

Thanks for the dates of implementation, that is much appreciated.

Acx1688 SG

I am especially interested in a short inter-town service between yew tee and bukit panjang.

With the increase in capacity of buses serving bpj now, it is a good solution to relieve some transport woes for residents in yew tee even before DTL comes online.

Will never happen, wrote to LTA to extend 972 to YT, gave one whole chunk of excuses...

BusAnalayzer SG

Because 63 has to turn to Ubi Ave 2 from Ubi Ave 1 while other routes just ply straight.

That should be no reason why it should not stop, right. Anyway, late but good.

I hope they make sv 64/139 call at Dhoby Ghaut MRT stop on Penang road. It is a lost opportunity for ppl from NSL/NEL/CCL who want to take this service.

If you observe all buses from the stop turn into the extreme left lane. So easy to turn.

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