LTA's Bus Service Enhancement Programme (BSEP) (Part 2)

last SG · 2013-12-16T21:55:55+00:00

74 needs BSEP. Loading at AMK MRT is high. Needs more WEG as 3672S to 3676G is fleet replacement. Also AMK MRT, loading is high for all buses. You have 25, 7...

BusAnalayzer SG

120 is ... and they modified 124 to serve telok blangah residents to HarbourFront.

then why introduce 120 in the first place?

858 could get some bendies but plenty of problems. it is stuck. by comparison, 27 fared well with the full fleet KUBs and later full fleet taros. 27 needs a SWT with DDs.

there is the sole unit SBS997A which is a 14.5m 3 axle B10M MkIII, though it was scrapped.

going WAB without thinking ... 811 has a very long queue.

That is what I am scared of in future also.. if u see most Woodlands, CCK and Yishun feeders need WAB buses more than 182/183/192... The number of PIW in these areas is a lot more than those in student related bus services or industrial services...

But SMRT does not have high capacity WAB buses... so if it has to make any service WAB it is at the cost of high capacity buses... So for now, I hope SMRT does not make more services WAB like it did to 811... then introduce 811A to cope with loading... but still cannot do properly...

Once WAB DD come, I think SMRT will have to make some feeder / intra town services DD/WAB combination to make these services WAB... else need to order WAB bendies.. but according to my friend... that is not in the plan yet... right now they are still trying to confirm the DD details.... and so much time to do that...

BusAnalayzer SG

4 door bendy os Luzern Banhoft, Switzerland, pix taken in 2005

The buses in Luzern are like trams... I have seen them... they are long and they are connected to wires on the top... Very bad system because in case of road work etc, the bus cannot go a different path.... just like tram network.

SMB145B SG

to add on, LTA hates hanging cables.

SMB145B SG

right now, only Rigids have up to 2 spaces for the PIWs. the OCs have that currently.

the feeders are mainly high loading but it is different from that of the trunks.

putting bendies, all are not WAB; the sole WAB Bendy 388S has space for one PIW. to go WAB, 60-70% must be WAB. putting the OCs, Taros or A22s will lead to the infamous 811 problem. is DD a solution?

a inital DDs would be number around 50, much would have gone on to 190. not until more high capacity WAB buses come around.

hmm wondering what is LTA thinking this round ...

SMB145B SG

Ah you are mistaken, it is more maneuverable because of the last axle wic is the same as the front axle, reduce turning radius, the albus rt 25 wic i took in salzburg travels on a 2 lane road, one up and one down...

As it leaves Salzburg train station before it head to the mountains, the roads got more narrower but bus sure can do a tight turn...

SBS997A was an experiment wic was way too long for 3 axle bus...

the maximum for a rigid buses is 12m as per SMRT tender for its buses, 18m for bendies.

SBS had a 14.5m super-long vehicle SBS997A and 2 18.75m Bendies SBS998Y and SBS999U.

ball passed back to SBST.

seems like now SBST, SMRT, Comfort DelGro and Bus-Plus are playing this with LTA. pass here, pass there, done nothing.

SBS9C SG

right now, only Rigids have up to 2 spaces for the PIWs. the OCs have that currently.

the feeders are mainly high loading but it is different from that of the trunks.

putting bendies, all are not WAB; the sole WAB Bendy 388S has space for one PIW. to go WAB, 60-70% must be WAB. putting the OCs, Taros or A22s will lead to the infamous 811 problem. is DD a solution?

a inital DDs would be number around 50, much would have gone on to 190. not until more high capacity WAB buses come around.

hmm wondering what is LTA thinking this round ...

SMRT needs to get more bendies for the feeders (around 80 buses, to replace all the MK1 bendies and the remaining as fleet additions), and reconfigure the seating and standing spaces. The A24 could have the seats removed at the rear to fit in another PIW slot like on the original Lion City G. Currently its capacity is worst than the O405G, by configuring it correctly, it can actually accomodate up to 154 passengers, which is much better than a dd, and is ideal for feeder loadings.

For the trunks, dds are ideal. 50 buses is not enough (if most are deployed to 190). SMRT needs around 150 dds (to partially replace the retiring O405s), so 40 of them could go to 190 and the others scattered around the trunks.

BusAnalayzer SG

right now, only Rigids have up to 2 spaces for the PIWs. the OCs have that currently.

the feeders are mainly high loading but it is different from that of the trunks.

putting bendies, all are not WAB; the sole WAB Bendy 388S has space for one PIW. to go WAB, 60-70% must be WAB. putting the OCs, Taros or A22s will lead to the infamous 811 problem. is DD a solution?

a inital DDs would be number around 50, much would have gone on to 190. not until more high capacity WAB buses come around.

hmm wondering what is LTA thinking this round ...

I heard it will be an order of 200 DD buses. So even if major bulk goes for CBD buses, there would still be around 80-100 buses to match with bendies/rigids to make few needy services WAB. For example, 804/806 have so many old people living around there... I would have expected these services to go WAB years back, but cannot. Putting rigids on this service is just like putting rigids on 190. With frequency of already 3-4 mins... you cant even add more rigids.. will become classic case of bunch bunch bunch.

BusAnalayzer SG

so many BSEP Citaros posted to AMDEP... this means it must be for the new service 121... I foresee the new service to be launched in April.. fleet of 8 buses all Citaro...

Acx1688 SG

to add on, LTA hates hanging cables.

Ignore the cables lah, it is the bus i m referring to...

LTA already hands full with buses with wheels, they will go mad with buses with cables!

Acx1688 SG

right now, only Rigids have up to 2 spaces for the PIWs. the OCs have that currently.

the feeders are mainly high loading but it is different from that of the trunks.

putting bendies, all are not WAB; the sole WAB Bendy 388S has space for one PIW. to go WAB, 60-70% must be WAB. putting the OCs, Taros or A22s will lead to the infamous 811 problem. is DD a solution?

a inital DDs would be number around 50, much would have gone on to 190. not until more high capacity WAB buses come around.

hmm wondering what is LTA thinking this round ...

DD is confirmed 103 units Enviro 500 MMC(HK variant), news out in HK from bus manufacturer but no official press release from SMRT...

SMB388S is cui, you take paris bendy bring in better...

Will post pix, take before much more smoother and quieter than 388

SMB128B SG

Very good.

Now waiting for bendies.

TIB429E SG

Actually SMRT can change 1 of it's PIW space to passenger seats for their OCs...[KUB style]

SBS3688Y SG

for new bendies, i hope for a mixture of A24s and Citaro G….

SMB145B SG

bendies, yes

190 by now needs about 50-55 DDs. 2 mins between buses at Peak Hours.

800 might not need Bendies though one could see it as cameo. (BA's fleet for 800)

two PIWs in each WAB Bendy ...

i wonder what happen to the standing area at the flexible point. hopefully SMRT retains it.

SMB145B SG

Ignore the cables lah, it is the bus i m referring to...

LTA already hands full with buses with wheels, they will go mad with buses with cables!

the bus is another problem. too long already.

SMB145B SG

so many BSEP Citaros posted to AMDEP... this means it must be for the new service 121... I foresee the new service to be launched in April.. fleet of 8 buses all Citaro...

... more taros ... zzz

this evening, i saw taros on 147.

wth are those taros doing on 147? you know that 147 is high loading trunk, and these taros gone on 147 at Peak Hour.

SMB128B SG

the bus is another problem. too long already.

BRT need not be long! Guangzhou is a perfect example.

But here in SG BRT not practical as there are enough train lines in the city to serve the entire city centre with similar fares and running system to BRT, only that it's underground. The Downtown Line ha proven just that.

SMB145B SG

BRT need not be long! Guangzhou is a perfect example.

yes. but some are against bendies.

Acx1688 SG

... more taros ... zzz

this evening, i saw taros on 147.

wth are those taros doing on 147? you know that 147 is high loading trunk, and these taros gone on 147 at Peak Hour.

There was a time when i took 147 every other day from city to HG as NEL was damn packed, cried when KUB/DM3500 came as cant board n the nex bus came 15mins later, smetimes kub are scheduled to come after another at 15min intervals

Acx1688 SG

bendies, yes

190 by now needs about 50-55 DDs. 2 mins between buses at Peak Hours.

800 might not need Bendies though one could see it as cameo. (BA's fleet for 800)

two PIWs in each WAB Bendy ...

i wonder what happen to the standing area at the flexible point. hopefully SMRT retains it.

55 DDs not so many lah, max 35 ok liao, bus ops muz follow HK/EUR style, ve only 2 buses max resting at TER/INT... nt 5 buses resting per svc, low productivity... Jump bus shld apply 2 all services

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