LTA's Bus Service Enhancement Programme (BSEP) (Part 2)

last SG · 2013-12-16T21:55:55+00:00

74 needs BSEP. Loading at AMK MRT is high. Needs more WEG as 3672S to 3676G is fleet replacement. Also AMK MRT, loading is high for all buses. You have 25, 7...

nolongermatter SG

BusAnalayzer SG

I find it quite disturbing that Premium svcs cost so much more than express/fast forward/city direct svcs, especially since some of the routes are quite similar, and there is nothing really "premium" or high quality about the svcs other than the no standing allowed, which is quite stupid anyway since ppl wouldn't mind standing for a ride rather than missing the bus, if it's already full.

IMO standing should be allowed and fares should be lowered to express fares, or at least closer that level. Either that or really go all out to provide "premium" service with extras like more comfy seats, free newspaper etc, though i'm not sure if ppl will pay for that.

Would be good if some of the really high demand express/city direct svcs can have full day variants, e.g. 850E, 951E, that serve additional stops and charge normal trunk fares. Similar to how 971E now has 972.

Premium services made a lot of sense before 850E, 951E kind of services were introduced. On SBST side, premium services have mostly DD buses deployed with good almost full seating. It is surprising SBST has not introduced any premium service since BSEP. May be now LTA does not allow and only wants to bring in cheaper E services.

Acx1688 SG

Lol, but why would they?

Nt enough buses...

Acx1688 SG

The new flats at the former Keat Hong Camp definitely need new routes. Maybe 300 can be split up into two svcs, one serving ave 2/3 and another serving ave 4/5 and possibly other new roads there, though this removes the connection between the schs and flats and ave 4 and ave 2. Or svc 300 skip ave 5 and have another svc going there all the way to keat hong close and/or ave 6. Also would be nice to see a route linking that area to ITE College West and Bukit Panjang, going by the main roads CCK Ave 3 and Brickland Rd.

There may be quite a number of new svcs in CCK when the whole of the former keat hong camp is developed, and i wonder how they're going to find so much space at CCK Int for new svcs. Maybe can kick out Qian Hu shuttle, shift the MRT breakdown shuttles to an additional 4th lane outside (since that space is empty most of the time), merge 188E/R lane with 188 and merge NR3 with a day service like 925.

Bro, for Keat Hong side(my former camp), best to have mini Terminal set up at Yew Tee station/area, than can have bus ply Yew Tee, down to Keat Hong, Bukit Batok Rd, Upp Bukit Timah Rd, Dairy Farm, BKE, PIE, Thomson Rd, Newton then to city area, kill 2 birds with one stone... SMRT 87x series perhaps?!?

Acx1688 SG

My point, Ah Premium differs from Express/ffw services...

Premium is to serve housing estate than express DIRECT to Shenton Way via expressway

Express/ffw serve housing estate will hit city area ie Orchard/CBD area before hitting Shenton Way...
But my logic a bit flawed coz LTA introduce Express513/982E does not follow above criteria...

The 850E/951E is supposed to run parrallel to MRT lines during peak as an alternative to get to city, so keep the public quiet on how come train crowded, no alternative to city...

Secondly, SGreans wen kena interview always say "I don't mind paying a bit more to have a comfortable ride to town" so basing on this logic, LTA introduce these "express"/City Direct services which charge more rather than continue to introduce more Scheme B buses or trunk routes at NORMAL fares.

OT a bit, in HK, Express buses like CTB 5X charge same fare as normal CTB 5...

IN Barcelona, 65 from El Prat to Place Espana is the full trunk route while 165 is the express version(something like our ffw), both at the same price...

Taken both 65/165 before... Barcelona Public transport surely beats SG...

sbst191 SG

Buangkok East near Upp Serangoon Rd?! Plenty of BTOs, condos, flats...

62,136 not enough one... still ve road Upp Serangoon View...

If residents are willing to walk to punggol park bus stop there is 74, 147 and 113.

23ispolo SG

Does BPS1 need BSEP? I'm surprised that 189, 851 and 852 still haven't gotten any BSEP beef ups...

BusAnalayzer SG

Does BPS1 need BSEP? I'm surprised that 189, 851 and 852 still haven't gotten any BSEP beef ups...

852 does not need. It mirrors the route of 74 from Bukit Timah to AMK Ave 6. It has 66, 174 in parallel until Adam Road junction. It has 157 in parallel until Macritchie. Then it has 851 in parallel all the way up to Yishun. It is more of a backup service, than providing any new connectivity. Even if 852 is scrapped, it will not affect people.

189, 851 have good frequency. They need more high capacity buses for sure. I would not add more rigids on them, but wait for high capacity buses to come in under BSEP.

Acx1688 SG

189, 851 have good frequency. They need more high capacity buses for sure. I would not add more rigids on them, but wait for high capacity buses to come in under BSEP.

851 comes veri freq... 1 wab n 1 bendy together at mos times

TIB 585L SG

Is 852 even pack to the door before during peak hours?

TIB429E SG

I think 951E more or less only be useful for office workers to commute between Woodlands to CBD and residents travelling from South part of Woodlands to the North("Cutting tru the tracks, and provided it links to Woodlands Reg int or so).

BusAnalayzer SG

Is 852 even pack to the door before during peak hours?

No, as I said, it is a backup service. Even if 852 is withdrawn, it will not make a huge impact to anyone. Just a few more buses need to be added on 74 and 851.

SMB145B SG

No, as I said, it is a backup service. Even if 852 is withdrawn, it will not make a huge impact to anyone. Just a few more buses need to be added on 74 and 851.

it will cause many transfers to be made (hence increasing the already high turn over rate).

but what will they be adding to 851?

"no more additional taros and A22s on 851"

BusAnalayzer SG

it will cause many transfers to be made (hence increasing the already high turn over rate).

but what will they be adding to 851?

"no more additional taros and A22s on 851"

What kind of transfers are you referring to? Regarding 851, I have already stated, need high capacity bus addition or conversion of rigid to high capacity.

lemon1974 SG

No, as I said, it is a backup service. Even if 852 is withdrawn, it will not make a huge impact to anyone. Just a few more buses need to be added on 74 and 851.

apparently LTA/PTC does not think so.. that why they did not even allow 852 to be shortened to AMDEP.....

lemon1974 SG

btw, spotted a small advertisement sticker (More Buses Better Rides) on the side panel (black col panel) of the BSEP wright (3351) this morning...

BusAnalayzer SG

apparently LTA/PTC does not think so.. that why they did not even allow 852 to be shortened to AMDEP.....

Which major decision has LTA/PTC taken on any existing services? 115 cannot be changed due to MP... no route modification suggestions are accepted by them... the only thing they do is introduce new services.

LTA/PTC just believes in statistics... X number of buses added, Y number of routes introduced... do not really care on how effective it is... just adding buses and routes is adding to traffic issue... rather rationalize some of the low patronage routes or sectors of routes to be more effective for people.

azharjj SG

btw, spotted a small advertisement sticker (More Buses Better Rides) on the side panel (black col panel) of the BSEP wright (3351) this morning...

3326 of service 50 & a wright from service 45... shld be the 3351 that u saw lah haha

lemon1974 SG

Low patronage does not mean we can remove the route. Or else u won't see sv116 or sv141. Why do ppl still on such mindset that all routes must be popular n full of paxes????

BusAnalayzer SG

Low patronage does not mean we can remove the route. Or else u won't see sv116 or sv141. Why do ppl still on such mindset that all routes must be popular n full of paxes????

Those are not the best examples. 120 route can definitely be modified to cater to better customer needs. 113 hougang/Kovan loop is useless with so many alternatives. Would have been better to have 113 from Serangoon loop @ Kovan. 82/107 should be merged. That is a no-brainer. 325 should be diverted to HG st 21 terminal instead of making a long loop back to hg interchange. 116 should call at NEX to relieve loading on 43/70. 143 making the long Pandanus -Teban loop is definitely not best routing. Why 30 goes one way to Teban and does not on its way to Bedok? Just a few examples to the many tiny modifications thAt can address commuters needs better by not affecting majorly.

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