LTA's Bus Service Enhancement Programme (BSEP) (Part 2)

last SG · 2013-12-16T21:55:55+00:00

74 needs BSEP. Loading at AMK MRT is high. Needs more WEG as 3672S to 3676G is fleet replacement. Also AMK MRT, loading is high for all buses. You have 25, 7...

23ispolo SG

Once again you act blind... you didnt see me typing... increase frequency on 317...

That means 2 more buses on 317, 1 A/P and 1 Split or E ..

Acx1688 SG

Wats the issue on 317 not using DDs?!?

Anyone care to explain?!

BusAnalayzer SG

Hi mr BusAnalyser, I beg to differ slightly. I witnessed the crowd before. You need both sbs 315 and sbs 317 to share out the loading. Cheers.

No you dont. If you just increase the frequency on 317, it can take care of the loading and 315 could have gone direct. Serangoon North Ave 1 residents still have to do the long loop of Chomp Chomp to get to MRT. Why did LTA only relieve residents of North Ave 4? Anyway, the route is already done. I am only saying just creating new routes is not always the solution. And I hope LTA sees this because I dont want Singapore to be crowded with so many buses that there is more traffic, more waiting time at bus stops, more crowd at interchanges etc.

BusAnalayzer SG

Wats the issue on 317 not using DDs?!?

Anyone care to explain?!

One is 317 does not need DDs. It goes through housing complexes where most people have cars. Just like Kembangan case of sv 42. Most stops have only 3-4 pax boarding. More loading is from Chomp Chomp area. 315 is the one that could have previously got DDs but now no need with introduction of 116.

SMB128B SG

Once again you act blind... you didnt see me typing... increase frequency on 317...

Fair enough.

On the bad side though, you may expect complains for the increased bus traffic along those small terrace lanes.

dupdup77 SG

What makes you tink ther person replying to you are guys instead of gals??!
There are female bus fans in Sg and all over the world, widen your thinking

Hi mr Acx1688, male or female, I don't care. I am only interested in bus services.

BusAnalayzer SG

Fair enough.

On the bad side though, you may expect complains for the increased bus traffic along those small terrace lanes.

On the positive side, all the car owners there who dont like to wait at bus stops, would be happy with a higher frequency on 317.

SMB128B SG

It's a waste 315 never stopped at YCK Rd. Otherwise less will have to endure the round towards the int.

twenters SG

Hi mr Acx1688, male or female, I don't care. I am only interested in bus services.

LOL, this conversation is getting weird...

dupdup77 SG

Wats the issue on 317 not using DDs?!?

Anyone care to explain?!

Hi mr Acx1688, I suspect it is because of the very narrow lanes around the private estates which sbs 317 plies deep inside serangoon gardens. Thanks

BusAnalayzer SG

It's a waste 315 never stopped at YCK Rd. Otherwise less will have to endure the round towards the int.

Yes 315 route is really weird. It comes out of North ave 1 and then goes back in towards Gardens Way rather than going down YCK Road, where people could also make faster transfer to other services like 43, 70, 76 etc instead of waiting to go all the way via Chomp Chomp.

BusAnalayzer SG

Hi mr Acx1688, I suspect it is because of the very narrow lanes around the private estates which sbs 317 plies deep inside serangoon gardens. Thanks

Yes you are right. But if 317 was the only service plying without 315, DDs could have been plied looping @ Chomp Chomp on 317A. 317A would be 2 buses, 317 wouold be 5 buses. Good enough!

Acx1688 SG

Hi mr Acx1688, I suspect it is because of the very narrow lanes around the private estates which sbs 317 plies deep inside serangoon gardens. Thanks

No logic, Hoy Fatt Rd is just as narrow, you have DDs on sv139, how about Genting Lane with sv125 DD?!

A 3 axle bus turning radius is better than a 2 axle bus

dupdup77 SG

Hi mr BusAnalyser, I understand your concern. But serangoon north ave 4/5 residents have it very bad for years already. Sbs 116 links them to serangoon as well as hougang ave 9 (hougang 1 mall) plus hougang central. More direct and much better as loading is not very high. Give them a comfortable journey which pleases the residents there. Cheers.

SMB128B SG

Yes you are right. But if 317 was the only service plying without 315, DDs could have been plied looping @ Chomp Chomp on 317A. 317A would be 2 buses, 317 wouold be 5 buses. Good enough!

It's a great fantasy you have there.

And your fantasy has allowed you to create the very first short trip for a feeder in Singapore!

BusAnalayzer SG

And what wrong have Serangoon North Ave 1 residents have done? Why could 116 not ply this road also?

BusAnalayzer SG

It's a great fantasy you have there.

And your fantasy has allowed you to create the very first short trip for a feeder in Singapore!

Are you sure? 241 does not have 241A? 240 does not have 240A?

dupdup77 SG

No logic, Hoy Fatt Rd is just as narrow, you have DDs on sv139, how about Genting Lane with sv125 DD?!

A 3 axle bus turning radius is better than a 2 axle bus

Hi mr Acx1688, as what I have said, I suspect this to be the reason. Suspect only. I travelled on this route 1 year back for full journey and from what I see, this seems to be the only valid reason.

dupdup77 SG

And what wrong have Serangoon North Ave 1 residents have done? Why could 116 not ply this road also?

From what I can see, they want make sbs 116 go to major road (yio Chu Kang road) faster to serangoon central. This will be faster than routing it through serangoon north ave 1 which will slow it down. So it sort of defeats the purpose of direct connection to serangoon mrt. Cheers

BusAnalayzer SG

I completely disagree on this point. When it turns onto AMK Ave 3, there are always 2/3 buses on the stop, and there is waiting time. Then it turns to YCK road. Here, it would go straight onto Serangoon North Ave 1 and directly connect to YCK road also providing Serangoon North Ave 1 residents direct connection to Serangoon MRT and YCK road to change to other services.

When a particular service is introduced, it needs to benefit more than one estate. You cannot have a new service for every estate. Then area around MRT will go mad with buses pulling in and pulling out. Also then it would make 116 more usable and the stop opposite NEX would make complete sense as there would be little overlap with 43/70.

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