LTA's Bus Service Enhancement Programme (BSEP) (Part 2)

last SG · 2013-12-16T21:55:55+00:00

74 needs BSEP. Loading at AMK MRT is high. Needs more WEG as 3672S to 3676G is fleet replacement. Also AMK MRT, loading is high for all buses. You have 25, 7...

BusAnalayzer SG

It has been a year since Sv 120 has been introduced.

typical loading am peak

new bridge to Jalan Bukit Merah -- 10 pax

bukit Merah to Tiong Bahru rd -- 10/15 pax

tiong Bahru rd / red hill MRT -- 15/20 pax

redhill mrt / Alexandra rd -- 35/45 pax

Alexandra rd / tehlok blangah rd -- 10 pax

Tehlok blangah MRT / Tehlok Blangah estates -- 10 pax

to tehlok blangah mrt -- 20/25 pax

to Alexandra rd -- 10/15 pax

to Redhill MRT -- 15/20 pax

to lower delta rd -- 15 pax

to new bridge -- 10 pax.

** This is typical am loading after one year of launch that too in peak hours. LTA is wasting its funds on some non-used routes and will continue to waste coz it has excess of tax payer funds.

lemon1974 SG

Here we go again. Ppl are still having the mind sets that all bus yservices (new or old) must be crowded during all operating hours. As long as some buses/services are not crowded , it is a waste of resources/money n must be withdrawn or amended. Some parts of the new bus services routes are purposely drawn to duplicate current services route to help to spread out the paxes.

As if sbstransit or smrt wan to operate the bus services during off peak hours? If they can they will just operate all bus services during peak hours to maximise their earning n minimise their running costs.

SMB128B SG

You can't say that...

Svcs like 12, 27, 240, 372 do have load during off-peak.

List goes on.

120? Nah.

What you have to understand is that some svcs have such a low ridership during off-peak it does not justify the amount of buses deployed or even warrant the operating times. For example, every weekends and every night after 8 svc 5 gets full SD fleet due to lower ridership.

Go look at HK. They do reduce svcs to run only on weekday peak to cut down costs and save taxpayers money. When loading gets too low and the svc has little exclusive area to run (ie heavy duplication along most of its route). You have to understand, resources are not infinite. In fact new svcs in HK are introduced through regrouping and reshuffling its current bus svcs. As such some svcs get reduced or even withdrawn to introduce a new svc, or add freq to another high-demand svc.

I give you one example. Svc 798, TKL/TKO <-> Shatin. Express svc. During Peak hour gets so crowded with so many people going to Shatin in the morning (and vice versa) even an average freq of 7 mins with 12m DDs could barely cope with the load. Fleet came from withdrawn 796B, which very rarely gets crowded, and downgraded 797M, which is practically empty during off-peak.

You see how resources are used here? Same should be applied to 120. In fact had it not been the quite-acceptable load during peak I would have thought it to be withdrawn. Now that there are some load after all (seen quite a number alighting from 120 during AM peak), maybe it should be dealt with another way. Either way it will be able to benefit more people out there.

SMB128B SG

Duplicate

sgbuses SG

Too many operational buses during off-peak? No problem. How about operating schedules such as this:

http://www.transperth.wa.gov.au/timetablePDFs/Bus%20Timetable%20120%2020140601.pdf

BusAnalayzer SG

No. But bus services should have a minimum loading threshold, else those resources can be better deployed. Common sense, gentlemen!

sgbuses SG

No. But bus services should have a minimum loading threshold, else those resources can be better deployed. Common sense, gentlemen!

If routes needed to have some decent loading to justify its continued operations:

11, 42, 84, 92 (Mt Sinai stretch), 191 and 194 should go outright.

35, 91, 92, 94, 115, 178, 200, 285, 400, 402, 825, 852, 882, 975 (LCK stretch) and most JIS services should be peak hour only.

BusAnalayzer SG

If routes needed to have some decent loading to justify its continued operations:

11, 42, 84, 92 (Mt Sinai stretch), 191 and 194 should go outright.

35, 91, 92, 94, 115, 178, 200, 285, 400, 402, 825, 852, 882, 975 (LCK stretch) and most JIS services should be peak hour only.

Well.. You don't know the loading of some of these routes then.

42 needs a BSEP add - frequency too poor and only service in the area

11 / 84 - just one bus. Again providing connectivity in an area that has no other bus alternative. Still want to withdraw? Again only one bus. Is it too much resources used??

92 - def has good loading in mt.sinai / Ghim moh stretch.

194 - has high loading in pperating hours for Jurong bird park

191/ JIS - have pathetically low frequency off peak anyway unlike 120.

SBS7557R SG

If routes needed to have some decent loading to justify its continued operations:

11, 42, 84, 92 (Mt Sinai stretch), 191 and 194 should go outright.

35, 91, 92, 94, 115, 178, 200, 285, 400, 402, 825, 852, 882, 975 (LCK stretch) and most JIS services should be peak hour only.

37 used to be peak hour until 2007

dupdup77 SG

Well.. You don't know the loading of some of these routes then.

42 needs a BSEP add - frequency too poor and only service in the area

11 / 84 - just one bus. Again providing connectivity in an area that has no other bus alternative. Still want to withdraw? Again only one bus. Is it too much resources used??

92 - def has good loading in mt.sinai / Ghim moh stretch.

194 - has high loading in pperating hours for Jurong bird park

191/ JIS - have pathetically low frequency off peak anyway unlike 120.

Hi mr BusAnalyser, I spotted 2 buses for sbs 84 lately. Not sure the 1 bus you mentioned is correct. Cheers

sgbuses SG

Well.. You don't know the loading of some of these routes then.

42 needs a BSEP add - frequency too poor and only service in the area

11 / 84 - just one bus. Again providing connectivity in an area that has no other bus alternative. Still want to withdraw? Again only one bus. Is it too much resources used??

92 - def has good loading in mt.sinai / Ghim moh stretch.

194 - has high loading in pperating hours for Jurong bird park

191/ JIS - have pathetically low frequency off peak anyway unlike 120.

Which illustrates my point.

Loading itself cannot be the only factor to justify the existence of routes. Connectivity needs to be considered as well. Otherwise the above-mentioned routes can be argued to be a waste of resources as they run largely empty during off-peak hours and operators face a greater challenge in operating these routes as compared to other better-patronised routes.

I am not allowed make specific comments on individual routes, but I know the loadings of the entire ops period well enough to make this general comment.

BusAnalayzer SG

Hi mr BusAnalyser, I spotted 2 buses for sbs 84 lately. Not sure the 1 bus you mentioned is correct. Cheers

Unless it is newly added bus, it is correct.

BusAnalayzer SG

Which illustrates my point.

Loading itself cannot be the only factor to justify the existence of routes. Connectivity needs to be considered as well. Otherwise the above-mentioned routes can be argued to be a waste of resources as they run largely empty during off-peak hours and the operators face a greater challenge in operating these routes.

I am not allowed make specific comments on individual routes, but I know the loadings of the entire ops period well enough to make this general comment.

And it has to be a case to case basis... Totally agreed.. Hence Sv 120 is a different case unlike the ones you listed above.

dupdup77 SG

Unless it is newly added bus, it is correct.

Frankly, I still prefer sbs 82 originating from serangoon interchange to loop at punggol road end which was the previous arrangement. This will be much better than the current sbs 82 from Punggol to loop at serangoon central and another separate service sbs 84 to Punggol rd end. Cheers.

BusAnalayzer SG

Frankly I would prefer 82 runs from Shenton way to Punggol interchange, merged with 107. Since loading to Punggol end is sparse, Sv 84 is okay. If one bus is added, will be good.

SMB128B SG

If routes needed to have some decent loading to justify its continued operations:

11, 42, 84, 92 (Mt Sinai stretch), 191 and 194 should go outright.

35, 91, 92, 94, 115, 178, 200, 285, 400, 402, 825, 852, 882, 975 (LCK stretch) and most JIS services should be peak hour only.

Mostly This should be the case! (except 11)

84, 882 should be weekend.

35, 42, 194 remain.

The other deserve peak!

dupdup77 SG

Frankly I would prefer 82 runs from Shenton way to Punggol interchange, merged with 107. Since loading to Punggol end is sparse, Sv 84 is okay. If one bus is added, will be good.

Hi mr BusAnalyser, have they not made the change previously, Punggol interchange will be free of some spaces for other new semi-express services to go to places like orchard and marina square. Now currently sbs 82 and sbs 84 take up those slots. Moreover, the route of sbs 82 is not very unique. Even if it loops at Punggol road end, it still serves the same catchment of passengers. Cheers.

Acx1688 SG

You can't say that...

Svcs like 12, 27, 240, 372 do have load during off-peak.

List goes on.

120? Nah.

what smb128b says is true, fellow bus fans can go to the hk bus discussion thread to read abt cancellation of alloted buses for shatin area... Eg 51 cut to 1 bus(SD), freq is 60mins due to poor demand, hwever there will be another bus on standby in case breakdown to maintain quality of service...

Acx1688 SG

Cutting of sv82 to PNG due to space constraint at SGN,84 is wasting buses but no choice, there r users thru out the day, no gd to cvt weekend svc...

PNG int ve plenty of space, just redraw parking berths, can squeeze 3mre buses

84/82 done thing wun change unless 82 merge 107...wil save slots as mre can park at shenton way ve ample places...

dupdup77 SG

Cutting of sv82 to PNG due to space constraint at SGN,84 is wasting buses but no choice, there r users thru out the day, no gd to cvt weekend svc...

PNG int ve plenty of space, just redraw parking berths, can squeeze 3mre buses

84/82 done thing wun change unless 82 merge 107...wil save slots as mre can park at shenton way ve ample places...

Hi mr Acx1688, i understand the sbs 82/84 issues and the reasons behind it long time ago. However, i still wish for the good olden days that sbs 82 can just loop at punggol road end. Cheers.

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