LTA's Bus Service Enhancement Programme (BSEP)

last SG · 2012-09-13T18:35:32+00:00

Another fleet add for Sv 60? Wasn't 7500D a fleet add into Sv 60 just a few months back? still can fleet add mah... this one small case compare to Sv43 lah....

sbst191 SG

Is 113/A load so empty?

Don't just look at the route length and judge the loading and/or the fleet each svc deserve.

Loading can be contagious you know.

As you said, no harm adding in 1 or 2 buses correct? Trust me, 113's not gonna get Citaros to handle the increasing load at Kovan. And KUBs are out of the question for SBST. So no harm putting 1 or 2 DDs on trial for 113A? If really cannot then use SD loh.

They trialed citaros on 113 during peak hours and it failed. Off peak also full. Citaros cameo on 113 only on weekends nia now.

The ironic thing is.. 113 the most crowded bus svc among 112 and 119 yet they have more buses.. If you obeserve these bus svcs.. 112 and 119 come more frequently than 113. When 113 finally comes, it's full. I dont' get it leh. So messy one schedule.

113A always bunch with 113 but can be quite packed also. If DDs are introduced can reduce trips of 113A or can downroute from HCI. I have asked several commuters if they will move up if 113 has dds, most of them said yes because of the slow loading at kovan station itself..

The only thing i know to get back home without squeezing is taking 113 at 6.50pm from kovan station, 113A and 113 come together.. Furthermore the 113 that comes is SBS921T, more seats.

SMB128B SG

Alright.

119, 153, 163M, 228, 62A, 101.

43 and 163 can cut 1-2 dds each. 43A can be fully DD as it is almost fully utilised.

As for 101.. they should have tried 101A from HCI to Buangkok Link.. Furthermore they are using citaros.. which cannot handle huge loads compared to a KUB.

I would like to save myself from explaining the unstable loads of 43. U should go and look up on 43's load. Its has been mentioned many times.

Half agreed.

119 and 163M really doesn't need DDs.

But also, bullshit!

153: How is 153 a svc not deserving DDs? Look at the crowd at Toa Payoh. All board like crazy! And all the people will go upper deck one. If 153 does not need DDs they would've gotten rid of the really "historic" VO3x perms long ago.

228: the main link to Bedok from Bedok Reservoir apart from 66. And 66 doesn't (and can't) have DDs. So with all the crazy loads on 228 what do you think?

62A: Lots of the Indian workers flock to this svc to get from Hougang to Aljunied. This is in fact better than deploying DDs on the main svc cos the opposite direction are having empty buses back to Punggol anyways.

163: Told you before, it's a matter if you wanna pay attention anot.

But agreed on 101A.

SMB128B SG

They trialed citaros on 113 during peak hours and it failed. Off peak also full. Citaros cameo on 113 only on weekends nia now.

The only thing i know to get back home without squeezing is taking 113 at 6.50pm from kovan station, 113A and 113 come together.. Furthermore the 113 that comes is SBS921T, more seats.

112 is also crowded.

You should see 112 when it leaves HG int during PM peak. As the only link from HG back to Ave 7, it is usually swamped with Rio Vista residents. And some other HDB residents too. Even during PM peak when returning to the int >10 standees are also inevitable.

And keep in mind: 112 has the worst of buses in terms of load handling: 60+% Citaros and the rest B10Ms. Not one KUB. And 113's technically got an ENTIRE fleet of it. So, 113's not losing out much either. All it really needs is some DD crossovers for 113A, or at most 1 split DD.

SMB66X SG

Why must SBST put DD and not SDs?

sbst191 SG

Half agreed.

119 and 163M really doesn't need DDs.

But also, bullshit!

228: the main link to Bedok from Bedok Reservoir apart from 66. And 66 doesn't (and can't) have DDs. So with all the crazy loads on 228 what do you think?

163: Told you before, it's a matter if you wanna pay attention anot.

But agreed on 101A.

153 has freq headways up to 20 minutes..

SD can handle loads already..

Most of 228's route got svc 60.. Maybe svc 60 pax will seek 228 as an alternative? But so far alot of ppl think 228 dun need dds.. Just need SWTs.. look at 60.

62A - Lots of indian workers, but SD come wont full leh. I think they should deploy SD instead, save resources. Go see 103.. then compare 62.

163 can afford to cut 1-2 dds lah.. Sometimes dd cameo on 163M dunno for wad

sbst191 SG

112 is also crowded.

Do you know the reason why most of the high demand bus services have almost full fleet/full fleet KUBs??

Take 27 for an example.. only few citaros..

112 sibei hard full one lah. From interchange at most only a few standees, then all alight at rio vista. Kovan that side hard to say.. sometimes full, sometimes empty. Thats why SBST put citaros and B10Ms on this bus svc.. Is not SBST no KUBs to put.. they got alot of spare kubs.

sbst191 SG

Why must SBST put DD and not SDs?

1. They are purchasing more dds.

2. SG is getting more crowded.

3. Getting pressurized by MPs or commuters.

SMB128B SG

Alright.

119, 153, 163M, 228, 62A, 101, 56 and 186.

As for 62A, the route should be from aljunied station to punggol and not punggol to aljunied station.. furthermore it operates after peak hours.

As for 101.. they should have tried 101A from HCI to Buangkok Link.. Furthermore they are using citaros.. which cannot handle huge loads compared to a KUB.

As for 186, the SDs come at most fully seated.

As for 119, peak hours empty, school hours maybe fully seated?

As for 163M, no one bothers to move up, all crowd downstairs.

As for 56 and 153, SD dosent even get full.

As for 228, dds should be given to 60 instead.. more pax take 60 than 228.

I would like to save myself from explaining the unstable loads of 43. U should go and look up on 43's load. Its has been mentioned many times.

Continued:

186: Okay. What more do you want? SBST alr axed some of 186's DDs. From what I can see now, the remaining DDs have some standees at the lower deck, upstairs mostly seated and downstairs full seated durin peak hours at the non-crowded sector.

56 agreed.

228: Wrong location bro. 60 doesn't ply the east side of Bedok Reservior. And that's where 228 gets its precious heavy load. And you should see the variety of people taking that svc. From residents of nearby condos and HDBs to heartlanders around the shopping area there (forgot blk number) and even occasional sporting guys from Bedok Reservoir. Again not fully loaded DD, but also not empty either. And it's not a lot too.

SMB66X SG

1. They are purchasing more dds.

2. SG is getting more crowded.

3. Getting pressurized by MPs or commuters.

Then if that's the case, 269 should get DD first, not 113. Somehow or rather, I don't find a need for 113 to get DD.

Anyway, 163M only gets DD Cameo, not perm. I don't see why it's an issue to get cameo. 119's DD are all under BSEP, not part of the initial 6 buses. Even if they remove the 2 DDs, they can't place it on ur 113[unless 113 is part of BSEP].

sbst191 SG

Then if that's the case, 269 should get DD first, not 113. Somehow or rather, I don't find a need for 113 to get DD.

269A is handling the load well. Do you know 269's load?

SMB128B SG

153 has freq headways up to 20 minutes..

SD can handle loads already..

Most of 228's route got svc 60.. Maybe svc 60 pax will seek 228 as an alternative? But so far alot of ppl think 228 dun need dds.. Just need SWTs.. look at 60.

62A - Lots of indian workers, but SD come wont full leh. I think they should deploy SD instead, save resources. Go see 103.. then compare 62.

163 can afford to cut 1-2 dds lah.. Sometimes dd cameo on 163M dunno for wad

62A: Then prove the DDs can be better utilised on 62. Or other svcs nearby. "off-peak" what!

228: A lot of ppl... Who? I was a half-frequent commuter myself at Bedok Reservoir. People cram onto svc 228 all the same like what they do when 66 comes. And since 66 uses some Citaros, the leftovers will have to board 228. Imagine if 228 came first.

103 doesn't need DDs. I have observed 103 at Jln Kayu several times. Even with jams, 103 can cope well with SDs, with standees nearly up to the door. Unfortunately 103 can't use DDs, sad loh.

153: You observe 153 then talk to me. Evidence? Toa Payoh. Where >50 pax alight from feeders and other trunks and transfer to this svc at Lor 4 along with the residents there. Reason? Sole service to HG Ctrl. Another of TPY's senior citizens' favourite. Want more? Whitley Rd. Upper deck 75% seated and downstairs fully seated. What LTA loves to see.

163/M: Not necessary to cut DDs from 163 just to limit DD cameos on 163M. You can always limit it to KUBs doing 163M. Maybe can make 2 DDs on 163 full day and the rest spilt?

sbst191 SG

62A: Then prove the DDs can be better utilised on 62. Or other svcs nearby. "off-peak" what!

103 doesn't need DDs. I have observed 103 at Jln Kayu several times. Even with jams, 103 can cope well with SDs, with standees nearly up to the door. Unfortunately 103 can't use DDs, sad loh.

163/M: Not necessary to cut DDs from 163 just to limit DD cameos on 163M. You can always limit it to KUBs doing 163M. Maybe can make 2 DDs on 163 full day and the rest spilt?

Eh, i am a frequent commuter of 62,103 and 153.

U really think the amount of indian workers taking 62 is more than 103?

62's schedule is messed up. AM Peak every 4min 1 bus comes (coming from paya lebar) when the load is going towards paya lebar.

Have u seen the queues for 103? 103 dosent need to have dd, but need to have better frequency.

I myself have taken 153 from work daily at RTC and the SDs seem to be coping well. It is the jam at toa payoh flyover towards braddell road that waste alot of time, even if that's the case, the SD is not even full. 50 pax a kub come also wont full la deh. Putting dds on 153 is to let us commuters to enjoy the ride in comfort, but in reality, the dds arent fully "utilised" as even SD come, also not full.

SMB66X SG

269A is handling the load well. Do you know 269's load?

Do you see the weekend loading without 269A? AFAIK, 269's KUB would depart with full loading, during the 128 crossovers period. And it's only the sector until the market.

And from some user's observations here, the peak loading is only at Kovan Station to Opp Kovan Station. Like what he've said, add 1 more 113A will do. Why is there a need to waste resources by deploy DD on 113? Even 113A isn't a need, such a short sector. I'm sure if 113A were to u-turn around the Kovan Station with 10-15mins interval, there's no need to fleet add 113.

SMB66X SG

Another thing I would like to ask, does 228 really gets DD perm? So far I've only heard it doing 1 day...and the timetable didn't change[410W did changed, WEF from 09092013]

sbst191 SG

Do you see the weekend loading without 269A? AFAIK, 269's KUB would depart with full loading, during the 128 crossovers period. And it's only the sector until the market.

3.1KM distance short?

Total of 10 bus stops for 3.1KM itself.

Then 261 what? Full route 4.1KM, yet so packed for half the route.

You know the hassle of 113A u-turning?

Kovan station itself, buses cannot u-turn. 113A's problem is with the capacity, not frequency. 113's frequency is made like that to sync with the arrival of trains from CBD for pax to board 113 at kovan station. You can add 5 buses to this bus svc with freq of 6 mins and this wont change anything at all.

BCs have to travel up to serangoon JC junction > hougang ave 3 sector > tampines road > hougang street 21 > tampines road > kovan station just to pick up pax. [Whole U-turn process takes 8-10minutes alr leh.]

sbst191 SG

Another thing I would like to ask, does 228 really gets DD perm? So far I've only heard it doing 1 day...and the timetable didn't change[410W did changed, WEF from 09092013]

228 ASFAIK, maybe trial.

All bus svcs that upgrade to dd had their ETTs changed.

101, 410W, 125 etc..

SBS2601D SG

I think this discussion would end eventually.

Maybe when SG Lions Team wins World Cup.

carbikebus SG

Sbst191,perhaps you should change your nick to sbst113

SMB66X SG

3.1KM distance short?

Total of 10 bus stops for 3.1KM itself.

Then 261 what? Full route 4.1KM, yet so packed for half the route.

You know the hassle of 113A u-turning?

Bro, your 3.1km comes from where? Isn't that morning peak[3.2KM]? Aren't you referring to evening load of 6.8KM[Kovan to Kovan]?

Let's analyse 113A...

Departure times from Upp Paya Lebar Rd (Blk 161):
Weekdays: 0701, 0724, 0812, 0831, 0840, 0908

Departure times from Upp Serangoon Rd (Kovan MRT Stn) towards Lor Ah Soo:
Weekdays: 1808, 1822, 1844, 1858, 1934

Presume PM peak to have 3 buses running, 1 bus takes 50mins.

If the situation is worst, I would add 1 more SD + adjust the timing[Total 4 buses, ABCD], Bolded for 113:

1808A, 1814, 1822B, 1831, 1836C, 1849, 1850D
1858A, 1908, 1912B, 1926C, 1928 1940D, 1944
1948A, 1955, 2002B, 2006, 2016C, 2018, 2026, 2032D

*Red Bolded : 2028 timing was changed. Initially, it was 2029

It's not the capacity, it's the frequency. You sent 100 chickens onboard a lorry, if there's no proper arrangement(frequency), you will never fit the 100 chickens...

No_10_Tomas SG

Svc 228, 410 and hougang feeders used to have DDs in the past..it's only a matter of time before DD return to these services

likewise for 18, 26, 63, 130, 135, 142, 269, Jurong East feeders, i'd say strong candidates for DDs to return on such services

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