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last SG · 2003-03-13T20:40:13+00:00

Read today's straits times forum. Some writers shot in. Funny.

nismoS132 SG

the problem with cyclists (electric or motor or watever sai) is that many of them think they don't have to follow traffic rules because they still considered themselves as pedestrians.

it is very common to find them riding AGAINST heavy traffic, and expecting cars and bikes etc to give way to them. it is also common to find many of them out late at nite, cycling along extremely dark areas with no lights at all, and yet if you bang into them, it's your fault.

cyclists should be kept off the roads and restricted to pavements only.

Scarabeo SG

It's a long process of education lah. Highway code should be taught to everyone and enforced strictly from young.

It won't happen in within the next generation of Singaporeans.

If you go to an European country, you will see that MOST of the time, road users, regardless of their form of vehicle, have a lot of respect and courtesy for each other.

I was cycling in France up and down some hilly mountains. At some spots, there was only a single lane. During the uphills, although I kept to the left as far as possible, NOBODY tried to overtake me! I felt to bad for holding up a whole line of traffic!

When the lane finally widened, they passed me and most of the drivers gave me a thumbs-up and shouted "Go go go! You can do it!"

Try that in Singapore...

Master -_- SG

errr i cannot ride a bike Embarassed

audlenelee SG

EVERYDAY??!

ah_tee SG

bicycles are ok as long as they ride safely,

ridding at the side of the road does not realy cause much obstruction, cycling is a fun sport
unless u sway left and right and pose a danger to road users and urself

and u obey all traffic rules like stopping for red lite, riding with the traffic..

also they shld be make it a point to install safety euqipment like reflectors (ugly!) or backlites, a front headlite

on pavement jus normal crusing speed around 20-30 will not harm anybody take care not to scare pedestrian walkin by zoomin pass them

to me it all boils down to the individual behind the handlebar

ah_tee SG

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If you go to an European country, you will see that MOST of the time, road users, regardless of their form of vehicle, have a lot of respect and courtesy for each other.

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my friend was telling him abt his trip to australia

he rented a car there n drove around for the weekend

he said he stopped at a traffic lite on a single lane driveway and one porche came up behind him, when green lite he purposely try to piss the carrera off by not moving (hes abit of the naughty type)

to his suprise, the driver did not even horn or high beam but just wait patiently, until abt a min or so his own patience run out and he move off then the porche move off too !

Scarabeo SG

Yes, EVERYDAY.

Scarabeo SG

Yup. I lived in OZ for 5 years. Hardly anyone speeds. In the city, the speed limit is 60km/h, and NOBODY drives above 60km/h!

In Singapore, 50km/h = 80-90km/h! I myself am sometimes guilty of doing it.

I don't recall hearing anyone horn like we do in Singapore. Not even once.

Bicycle lanes are never breached by any motor vehicles. Yes, they have bicycle lanes alongside normal roads.

Like I said, it won't happen withing the next generation...

nismoS132 SG

so basically you're saying "IT'S OK TO ROAD HOG COZ I'M A CYCLIST WHILE YOU LAZY ASSES ONLY HAVE TO PRESS THE BLOODY PEDAL" ?

nismoS132 SG

the point is, we DON'T have bicycle lanes. double yellow lines are NOT bicycle lanes.

anyway in some parts of france and italy, the speed limit is 30kmh. but from what i heard from my lecturer, not that many ppl really follow those limits. they go 50-80 as well.

personally, i think 50kmh is too slow. it should be raised to 80, 6-70 at least. highways oughta be raised to 120-130.

daniuge SG

Originally posted by Scarabeo:

Sorry, but can't agree with you there. Bicycles are a legitimate form of transport. Cycling is healthy, free, emits ZERO pollution... I cycle from Tampines to Bukit Timah everyday. I obey all the rules and use hand signals to indicate my intentions at least 10 metres before I carry them out. I also wear a helmet and gloves on every ride.

I have seen many drivers and riders who are downright dangerous on the road. Does that mean that all drivers and riders should be banned and everyone should just take MRT and buses? Even then, how about the bus drivers who purposely run the ah pek motorcyclist near to the kerb just to get past them? How about banning the MRT becos cars can get onto the tracks and the SMRT says that they can't do anything to improve the situation? It's not about the money. I have 2 cars and a motorbike. But I would choose to ride one of my bicycles anytime if possible.

The problem is lack of education. If your case is just ban them cos they're dangerous, then MOTORBIKES should be FIRST on the list!

I do agree that cycling is healthy, free, emits zero pollution. But I would also like to point out that you are a very good cyclist. But too bad I have not met one like you yet on the road

I do agree that there are drivers and riders who are dangerous. These are the people that made riding dangerous on the road. The cyclists are actually even more susceptible to more risk as they do not have proper safety gear (not everyone wears gear like you). Not only do they pose danger to themselves, they also pose danger to others like pedestrians.

I think running an ah pek onto the kerb is not something a NORMAL motorist would do. I believe many people in this forum agrees that seasoned drivers such as bus drivers and taxi drivers are more reckless on the roads. Although there are some of them who are not so reckless.

I am not stopping peple from riding bicycles but I like to stress the importance of road safety. Bicycles are just not meant for the road and pavements. A bicycle lane would be most perfect.

daniuge SG

It's not about the money. I have 2 cars and a motorbike. But I would choose to ride one of my bicycles anytime if possible.

The problem is lack of education. If your case is just ban them cos they're dangerous, then MOTORBIKES should be FIRST on the list!

I think it will be difficult for a person who owns 2 cars to understand the agony of having to save some pennies by riding a bycycle.[/quote]

Scarabeo SG

I did NOT hog the lane. I said I cycled as near to the side of the road as possible (no kerb).

The cars could have quite easily passed me, but they chose not to.

Also, I said I felt bad holding up traffic. NOWHERE in my post did I mention anything about being OK to hog the road just becos I'm a cyclist.

HighwayAngel SG

LoL me ridin bmx so doesn’t matter … traffic too heavy… i just hop back to pavement traffic is light i’ll just go back to double yellow line hehehehe

Scarabeo SG

Originally posted by nismoS132:

the point is, we DON'T have bicycle lanes. double yellow lines are NOT bicycle lanes.

I do not think bicycle lanes will work in land scarce Singapore.

It's just not feasible. Imagine the SBS buses having to cut into the bike l;anes all the time. Where are they going to squeeze anymore space for the lanes? Road tax for bicycles? How many people would pay?

We have politicians who say: "it is just too hot to cycle in Singapore".

So, mutual respect of road users? Not for a long time yet...

ah tiang SG

u knw y they dun speed? coz they haf speed camera with no signboard, unlike in sg got signboards telling rd users got camera, so u say whether australia rd users dare to speed?

Rolling Eyes

Scarabeo SG

Originally posted by daniuge:
I do agree that cycling is healthy, free, emits zero pollution. But I would also like to point out that you are a very good cyclist. But too bad I have not met one like you yet on the road

I do agree that there are drivers and riders who are dangerous. These are the people that made riding dangerous on the road. The cyclists are actually even more susceptible to more risk as they do not have proper safety gear (not everyone wears gear like you). Not only do they pose danger to themselves, they also pose danger to others like pedestrians.

I think running an ah pek onto the kerb is not something a NORMAL motorist would do. I believe many people in this forum agrees that seasoned drivers such as bus drivers and taxi drivers are more reckless on the roads. Although there are some of them who are not so reckless.

I am not stopping peple from riding bicycles but I like to stress the importance of road safety. Bicycles are just not meant for the road and pavements. A bicycle lane would be most perfect.

That's why we need discussions like this to start making things better.

Yes, unfortunately I know there are many bad cyclists on the road. But as with everything, there are bad drivers, motorcyclists, pizza delivery boys, pedestrians... etc.

So it should start from education. Why don't we go around taking other people's things whenever we like? Becos from young we've been taught that it's wrong.

Don't get me wrong. I drive, ride motorcycles and cycle, so I'm not some greenie who over-championing the cause for cycling. I just want everyone to co-exist safely.

sugardaddy SG

huh? got ban neh? Thot onli no allow to travel on Road….

Scarabeo SG

Originally posted by daniuge:
I think it will be difficult for a person who owns 2 cars to understand the agony of having to save some pennies by riding a bycycle.

I am by no means rich, and DO know the agony of trying to save money.

But my point is, regardless of the reason that bicycles are chosen over other forms of transport, they have their place on the road. It's just that no one told them how to do it properly.

Scarabeo SG

Yes I know they have portable camera that can be moved anywhere.

But if you lived there, you will also know that every evening on the news on TV, the traffic police will list all the places that they will set up the cameras. Throughout the day, some radio stations keep repeating the list. So it is actually no secret.

But they make it very clear to everyone WHY it is unsafe to speed.

The pavements are designed to be handicap friendly. Which means those electric buggies driven by older people who can't walk to the market are allowed to go on the road at certain sections. Also there are bicycle lanes, school zones where the max speed is 25km/h...

With all these potential hazards, it will be very likely that someone will get killed when you speed. Obviously taking one's life is morally wrong.

We have the same hazards in Singapore, but where are the specific laws to protect everyone?

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