Another Scam Project By Ex-NOP Boss, James Phang! Beware!

last SG · 2006-11-25T04:33:13+00:00

Same attitude, same hoobalahoo Nuthing seems to change sigh

mrleech SG

the_fallen and knightskid,

If you guys want the contact of David Tan (supposedly the right hand man of Jackie), can PM me for it. That way, easier to get the proper information. Almost as close as the real thing and not distorted by so many levels of independent distributors.

knightskid, do take note. If they are not agents, technically their words do not equate to the words of the company. the_fallen can explain this in greater detail to you if you 2 do meet.

laurence82 SG

to add on a bit more, the law of agency applies in this case

most of the time, when you sign up for a MLM scheme, the form usually will state something like 'an independent distributor is not an employee, representative nor an agent of the company'

meaning distributors words are not legally binding, if they say something wrong, you cannot hold the company responsible

which give rises to many cases of misrepresentations and inconsistent remarks

thats why i dont always suggest distributors, especially errant ones, to speak up especially if they are not backed up by evidences

another issue to look at is conflict of interest

an analogy i found in an investment book is that of a stock analyst who gave positive reports about certain companies through the media, and its later found out that he invested in those shares as well

a distributor already has an interest in whatever scheme he is promoting, and that should be taken into account whenever you invest into any scheme, same when we see distributors speaking through publicly available medium such as sgforums, we should take note too

mrleech SG

Can read up conflict of interest here

kokov SG

laurence82, i believe you are still schooling – probably a business undergrad. You must know that things are not as simple as what the books suggest. Reality is different from the case studies that you discussed in tutorials and lectures. There are many procedures involved in the pursuit of this case. Sunshine empire is definitely dubious. However, if there’s no victims yet (since the program is still paying), i dun think the authority will pursue the case. A scam is only a scam when the money’s gone.

laurence82 SG

i believe you are dead wrong and stop being philosophical like the nti peeps, coz being philosophical and general is worse than academiia

like many of us highlighted here, is the program worth its returns, its guarantee, and its not a two digit percentage returns, but three, which is unbelievable for anyone who gone thru the capital market before

are these claims theoretical or reality, or just pure bullshit?

besides, if anything is theoretical, pray do tell us the 'procedures involved in the pursuit of this case' and see whether these people who has helped previous agents concur with you?

the_fallen SG

hmm,

interesting reply..

so there's no much reply or to do clarificiation anymore from this company or are the newbies in this company lost of words?

with no topics to turn to, than go into personal attacks?

btw, if you find it dubious, and is only waiting for things to happen, than react, than sorry, your money will be lost to such schemes by the time they can pay, and you will suffer a lost in time to come.

i suggest that if that's the case, your savings are better of in banks as FDs

kokov SG

the_fallen, personal attacks? Shocked

hmm..that's an interesting observation.

I'm not a cheerleader for the program definitely as I've never say anything positive about the company.

What I was doing was simply expressing my views about what pple had posted, just like what everyone does on forums.

laurence82, you sound agitated too. Why? Can't take the comments? Ya, perhaps, you just need time to gain more life experience before you understand the reality of life. Idea
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the_fallen SG

Originally posted by kokov:
the_fallen, personal attacks?

hmm..that's an interesting observation.

I'm not a cheerleader for the program definitely as I've never say anything positive about the company.

What I was doing was simply expressing my views about what pple had posted, just like what everyone does on forums.

laurence82, you sound agitated too. Why? Can't take the comments? Ya, perhaps, you just need time to gain more life experience before you understand the reality of life.

maybe you haven't notice..

but if you look around your company, those who go there for 1st appt, if they still not really keen, then the bridge and advisors will turn to target the client and tee-down him/her & tee-up the company and the project already,

wrong procedure nevertheless, perhaps it's the culture set by your current training 'leaders' in the company.

most people will sign due to greed, but only those people who knows which is real and fake will think again and ask more. that's when all those unprofessional behaviours such as force/hard selling is being shown to the clients when they show the slightest No.

what i mean about your comment is rather a personal attack rather than a causual comment, perhaps you might want to reconsider following their training, as their training will in-directly make you offend people without you knowing.

Disclaimer:
Above remarks are just my personal comments and feedbacks when I go back get updates.

laurence82 SG

i am not agitated, but fallen is correct

why cant you guys see the point and stop bringing irrelevant issues like the emotion of the other chaps? isnt this already too personal, if not personal attacks?

does it matter?

so, i am waiting for ur 'real life opinions', like what are the procedures for such police reports and which part of my posts so far has been 'theoretical'?

already i lambasted people for general and philosophical remarks which do not add to the value of the discussions

kokov SG

my “real life opinions”? well, i think you and fallen is the same person with 2 different accounts. no matter whether i’m right or not, this is only my sheer real life opinion.

the_fallen SG

lol...

before that, months back there it was again, another person said i and another guy is the same person..

so same old tactic like those previous guys isn't it?

can't talk on par with us, than start to bad-mouth..
(That's one of the reasons why most of the advance MLM people choose to only read and not reply, as they-rookies will not understand also)
[Not saying that you wun understand, but to understand where we are coming from and to know the real meaning of what we are trying to say, you have to go through some hardships first, because you can speak like one.

That's why most people who succeed, choose not to mention about it. coz it's well, too lengthy i would say.

sigh..if you want to get rich, than first understand the process to getting rich and the hardships a real businessman/entrepreneur needs to go through first.

It's usually all the Rookies in each different mlm companies that comes into the thread to Tee-Up their company.

If you want to succeed, well, listen and learn and than apply.
You (if you're in any mlm company)
You already broke the basic rules of mlm - this is just for your information.
Not by trying to come forum to sell or share testimonials or advertising for their respectively companies.

lol..it's really quite funny reading some rookies typing at times..

haha

laurence82 SG

few mths ago i was told me and edkieu were clones, or from amway

Rolling Eyes

you were requested to prove many of your points, including what are the procedures for such police reports, which part of my posts are theoretical and classroom based and so on

if you cant, you cant, and i really hate it when people divert from issues and go into who and who are clones, they angry or not, personal attacks

Rolling Eyes

jonzibonzi SG

AIyo!,

Just show proof that its a scam, otherwise continue quoting people here and there,

NPNT

Where's your proof its a scam? just because they wanna pay more money back to the partners?

Where's your logic...

laurence82 SG

so, cant prove income, so therefore this?

Rolling Eyes

as usual

jonzibonzi SG

I can show u cheques that the company have given me, anyway even if they can prove the income to you, you are just a kid who will keep finding excuses,

NPNT

Prove that they are not earning lah...

Prove its a Scam

Go down and confront management(instead of hiding behind the moniter)

I did go down to the management and make a big hoo ha over my refund, but i was convinced with the documents they showed me...

Nevermind.. Think you should stay at home and hug your keyboard to sleep..

Oh ya, and try to dismiss my message again.. haha

Give valid points over why this project will fail, or just continue with your fellow forumers typing about pcc and "i can't screw my virgin gf" stuff.. LOL!

laurence82 SG

Thank you for trying to divert and resort to personal flaming

Issue still stand

After few pages, not even a decent attempt at proving, and instead focus on why we wouldnt believe

Like we said, an income return statement or something suffice, for anyone who claim to earn that much of money, should be reporting to ACRA

If you couldnt prove, and not even trying to dispute why an income tax statement or report would suffice, then please stop wasting time diverting into why we wouldnt believe

The benchmark is already set

If you guys are evading taxes, i believe everyone else would understand as well

Laughing

Lightinwaltz SG

I'm sorry to tell you that I was under Jackie Hoo when I was in NTI. Nothing bad about the management and stuff.

But you shouldn't say you can show cheques of the company payout because having a significant amount in my bank. I can also give you cheques with big numbers to it, but whether is it creditable? Or it is just a transfer of credits here and there and thus accumulated a high payout for u which actually = your own money.

Didn't wanna post actually till see-ing your last sentence. MLM is actually a very good form of sales through the word of mouth until some people ruin the images. Sad Sad

laurence82 SG

And the thing that was offered six mths ago was investment in wireless technology in Taiwan

Then some chaps came in and claim what was said six mths ago was wrong, after somebody discovered that it was not the Emcom Technology in Taiwan, but rather some other company with similar name registered under Sunshine Empire and it was some email scheme

and they claimed those who said the stuff six mths ago were rogue agents, and no SE chaps came and dispute that

you can read about it few pages earlier

Lightinwaltz raised damn good points about the creditable points

If the product or scheme in hand is unclear, and many people put their money in, isnt it clear that money was rolled around and everyone got their money simply because everyone else put their money in it, rather than income earnings from sales of a product or gain from investment scheme elsewhere?

in this case you get steady income in the short term, but where the fark is proof that those people earn USD 5k mthly from this scheme alone?

and when we note that such income makes the person taxable, and accountable to ACRA, frigging chap keep siaming this issue, havent prove already talk about why we wouldnt believe

because what? either you guys never earn that kind of money, or you havent been paying taxes

you cant be publishing website with scores of numbers and expect people just to swallow it all in...when an authenticated document from government would more than suffice

the_fallen SG

I initlally can't even be bothered to reply to your post already, and have given up on helping you.

Until I read the red highlighted words.

Thanks to people trained in such unprofessional networks in such companies that made such a good system look so bad and pollute the whole singapore to be skeptical of MLM.

I really look forward to more complaints which will bring the downfall of your company down much faster. Well, now carry on, carry on with your lack of unprofessionalism and give other people more chance to complain you or your network.

Deal or No Deal?
Twisted Evil

For the good of all other people and your potential future people and you will recruit.

I specially edited the newspaper article to show you that the govt is doing something to remove the Money GAME companies.
Just that they are still observing and gathering more complaints only.

Do you want to sit and wait for company to shut down than u believe?
For those who wants to seek help and advice, you can look for me.

Disclaimer: I'm not here to recruit. I'm here just to help people to clear their doubts only. I only help those people who are keen and sincere to be helped and not being defendsive and closed up.

If you want FULL ARTICLE, meet me, and I'll show you the BLACK AND WHITE supported by NEWSPAPERS ARTICLES!!

Remember:
You uplines all sign on the agreement argeeing that the company will not be held responsible for their promise or anything.
Even the management team all sign on it.

Whereas I at least still can hold the company responsible for their words, cause I didn't sign on the agreement.

So do you have someone who is still considered an agent of the company?
No you don't.

Lol

Enjoy the article. Mr. Green

Note:
If you noticed one of the paragraphs in the article, it mention that they do not have a product to sell and make profit from recruiting bogus membership fee

Ask yourself:
1-Do you get your products Immediately when you pay money?
2-What's the highest you can get for GP without any recruitment. SDG$800.
3-What happens if you recruit? Can earn more than 4-5digit even?
4-Doesn't it means that you are earning from recruiting members?

Are you really in a Network Marketing Company or Are you in a Money Game/Pyramid Company?

Pramid Company is just because of people like you who are selfish who cares only about Profits and don't care for your friends which makes it pramid!!

kokov SG

Originally posted by the_fallen:

maybe you haven't notice..

but if you look around your company, those who go there for 1st appt, if they still not really keen, then the bridge and advisors will turn to target the client and tee-down him/her & tee-up the company and the project already,

Now, I'm really baffled..My company? Did i say i'm from sunshine empire? Rolling Eyes

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