laurence82 SG No one is able to rebutt what anyone of us said here what i have said, what fallen has said, what mrleech has said, what bangkokboy has said and resorting to flaming and ending in repeated banning by fireice three years have never change one fact, that despite all the facts and discussions that have been laid out, nti agents have never want to participate in it we are proven right again and again
christopher_rf SG I believe you will be banned soon, unless the mods only really listen to laurence Anyway most of your arguments laurence, i don't really feel argumental, its more of a show me and i believe, and after prooving, you want him to show something else to proove it again, so there's no end. until EG. showing his income tax on sgforums for the whole world to see. Who would? would you do that laurence? would you scan you income tax and post it for the world to see..
laurence82 SG not if i dont have a duty to show it i dont have to boast about my income, do i? nor i have an interest in showing my income MLM distributors have to you cant be telling the whole world that people will benefit from your MLM or investment schemes, and that you or your uplines are earning so and so amount of money, if you cant prove it not all people are idiots and take your words for it notwithstanding that it is written into the law that companies have duty to provide information about the mean, median and mode income of its distributors, which is a general extension of the individuals' duty to do so and strangely, all these have been explained for the last few pages and in the other threads....how come people are asking it all over again? i believe you guys cannot do this, hence the rash of flamings, including the ban on jonbonzi and the group of clones
R_teo82 SG not if i dont have a duty to show it i dont have to boast about my income, do i? nor i have an interest in showing my income MLM distributors have to you cant be telling the whole world that people will benefit from your MLM or investment schemes, and that you or your uplines are earning so and so amount of money, if you cant prove it not all people are idiots and take your words for it notwithstanding that it is written into the law that companies have duty to provide information about the mean, median and mode income of its distributors, which is a general extension of the individuals' duty to do so and strangely, all these have been explained for the last few pages and in the other threads....how come people are asking it all over again? i believe you guys cannot do this, hence the rash of flamings, including the ban on jonbonzi and the group of clonesI agreed man...I mean what the point to boast your income...as if i sae everyone interested in each and everyone income... but the fact bout MLM is people have to show their income to show people...but Does alot of networkers do the same... IF so interested meet them n ask them show u personally lorx...post on the net who will be willingly... As like i would like to see any other people willingly to post their income statement in the net.. Truely respect those who are willingly but like i sae nt all is willingly... For Example when u buy something u buy from the top salesman or juz any people in the company..? but how does they prove they are the top salesman..? For Example u buy a BMW..? Asking company to issue a Recongition letter..? haha... Anyway for me i dun tink anyone need to show their income statement online...Veri simple if i nv rem wrongly , u couldn't do any advertisment or recuriting online..? rite mod.. ?
laurence82 SG so why boast on net? u go see from page one till now what bmw lar, what income lar very funny right, u guys contradicting each other?
R_teo82 SG so why boast on net? u go see from page one till now [b]what bmw lar, what income lar very funny right, u guys contradicting each other?HAHA ... This one i oso can't help them...but mayb from a certain point of view they are trying to convince people like u all lorx which dun even borther to believe... ... But me myself see believe not the income statement but one of the leader income statement in their acc... thats y i beieve its possible... n oso a few younster income statement on their SE acc...dats all... what bmw lar, what income lari dunno how to explain myself...nvm bout that... anyway...for those who believe just believe...FOr those who dun shall juz wait and see what will be going on...thats all... Stop all the Flamming...its just see this thread can be closed... Everything flamming... and i sae tyr to accept people idea if possible.... PS: Everything is based on my humble view...dats all...
bangkokboy SG Hi guys, I can tell you guys that some of them have no problems showing you their ''pay slip''. I've seen people with commissions in the five figure region before. It's good money. But however, I also realised that many of them will show you the commission that they received (or more accurately, rebates) from the company after they paid a lump sum. Most of this income (rebates) are only one time affairs, with many of them unable to get back the amount they actually invested in. eg. Mr Happy invested $50k and gets back $15k in ''commissions/rebate" the following month for the amount he invested. Of course I am not saying that NTI, EGA and SE are the same, but I just wish to point this out to those who are exploring MLM and wishes to join this dynamic industry. Do know what to ask when choosing a company to join, do your research thoroughly and it can save you from sleepless nights and heartbreaks...
laurence82 SG flamming from who? so is it a SE's tactic to flame threads which are not acceptable to them and cause it to close, so that people cant read their misdeeds? so, if you simpy read from account statement, u expect the rest of us to be this gullible and do the same? and expect the rest to adopt 'believe lor, dont believe lor' attitude?
R_teo82 SG diao...den its their income statement from their own acc..? can they fake about it.. ? Can't tink of any... As i sae... dun understand how coem the thread nw adays got so many flammin..? Are they Realli from SE ..? hu noes..? mayb they delcare themselves but izzit true..? is juz like althought i own a GP in SE but i can still delcare i from any other MLM company ma... dats y i sae this thread has become a Flammin ground liao le... PS: is up to a person to believe whether their income is realli like dat anot.. NO one can do anything...when u see it from their acc and still dun believ wad can they do... ?
bangkokboy SG Haha no one is doubting the money. I am sure the top guys do earn alot, but the important thing is how this scheme can last? Ponzi schemes last around 3-5 years at the most. If you want, just join and get the monthly comms, just don't get your relatives and friends to plonk down their life-savings. Once trust is lost you can never get it back. PS: A bank robber can have loads of money too, but are you sure you want to go down that path?
laurence82 SG Income Tax Notice of Statement is still the easiest and best What's so difficult, unless u are earning so much and willingly admit you do not declare taxes? Even if you admit so, you can also say your income is one million SGD nobody can verify. As for who is who from SE, strangely, they can say all kinds of stuff and get pointed out, and then they resorted to flaming. But another new group of people who claim they are SE agents will come in and NOT point them out where they go wrong. Instead, they flame those on the opposite end, and conveniently ignore or just merely remarked the previous group may not be SE agents. And the cycle repeats.. Seriously, who you guys trying to bluff?
christopher_rf SG if he shows u a 500k or even a 1 million annual income, you will say its fake what, he can just pay the tax... must he show u his bank account statement? you are just pulling them into another trap...
laurence82 SG say what again? if he earns and pay the tax, whats the issue? who is talking about bank account?
R_teo82 SG ya i agree...juz plae along wif it lorx...dun put life saving can liao le...but wad makes u so sure is a ponzi scheme..? i mean from what i noe things whihc are new introduce to the world are almost refer as scheme..? juz lke how insurance started..? BTW...Does Everyone delacre their income tax according to their monthly income...Doesn't anyone wanna evade some..? Who are so honest please reply... wanna noe how many GOOD singaporeans are there...
laurence82 SG meaning dont have that kind of income to declare to, right? if people wont be honest to declare they evade taxes, meaning they do declare taxes, so if cannot produce means dont have that kind of income right? scheme is a generic word insurance schemes, MLM schemes, investment schemes how does all these relate to ponzi and insurance? why your post like not here not there one?
mrleech SG Whats with declaring income? Something so subjective do not mean the scheme is a scam or not. Evade taxes all you want. For 1, I will not. The lure of cold hard cash is always hard to resist, is that not so? Else why need to show cheque? To prove you really can get money from the scheme? But everyone is avoiding the main issues here. Why is there not a standard method of prospecting? Why is everyone having different versions? Why are companies' names being misused? Why are there conflicting explanations?
laurence82 SG If you read the usual advisories given by DSA from various countries (i will avoid being the expert here by quoting myself), one of the advice is to ask for proof of income (in form of tax declaration) before joining a MLM scheme. Its not a subjective issue. In the first place, why should a distributor promoting a clean scheme be evasive about proving his income? Is there a very solid reason not to do so? So far the various answers given have been disappointing, and like you said, even conflicting. One chap insinuates that its a practice to evade taxes, one said even a tax income statement can be questioned, and one asked whether its possible to fake account statement from company. None so far provided a very coherent consistent view, and some totally evade the issues by making incoherent posts. This issue is very simple. Its either some people have been evading declaring income, or simply there is no income to declare to. And also, this was not the main issue also. I believe they have conveniently forgotten your earlier posts two three pages ago
mrleech SG I decided not to listen to any of them. Cos eventually they are just independent affiliates (stated so in their T&C as of today). So I guess we cant really trust their words. Best is to attend their Business Introduction Program (think its called that). That should be considered the "actual" presentation.
