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last SG · 2004-12-29T19:51:08+00:00

how do u know their management earn less than kfc?

jonzibonzi SG

Hmm.. What if its really a workable project? Care to share the fact on why it’s a scam, thanks..

P-K4 SG

well been reading the posts for quite a while..omg this is looks like gulf war..haha

oh personally i think the idea of the emcon project is quite fresh is interesting.actually quite good.

but i think no matter how good an idea is, run by the wrong people its still going to fail.

sorry but can someone tell me the relationship of nti, emcon and this sunshine
company? perhaps being a old dog in biz i can share some pointers.

Declared interest: Am in networking and other biz.

Procter SG

Gulf war -.- what an analogy.

it's EMCOM, not EMCON.

you're right about the right person behind the right project idea, but don't forget that even the wrong person can learn from his/her mistakes. But i guess that asks for greater tolerance =]

NTI, EMCOM and SE (Sunshine Empire) are all under EGA. NTI and SE are both marketing segments, while EMCOM was set up to deal with the TaiChung project specifically.

If it's pointers u wish to give, do give pointers of common sense to flamers and misguided souls within this forum whether they be networkers or not first. This place doesn't seem too sane sometimes, pardon me for my frankness.

laurence82 SG

Same round of NTI agents coming in with intention to flame again

Cycle restarts

Laughing

LegacyMan SG

Please don't make such comments. Not every networker like to flame people. Sad

laurence82 SG

You are very clever

Highlighting my quote when i was pointing out someone's else

Laughing

P-K4 SG

so if i invest in the taichung project, does it mean i am having a contract agreement with NTI? EGA? Sunshine? or Emcom? it does matter a lot cos if any problems does araise and my agreement is not with emcom, i cant sue 3rd party

LegacyMan SG

You will have a merchant agreement with sunshine alliance and a partner agreement with Emcom.

laurence82 SG

Avoidance is good

Laughing

Nikonman SG

One question comes to mind. Are those agreements drafted with regards to Singapore Laws, Malaysian ones or Taiwanese ones?

Each of those countries have different commercial/consumer laws and protection rendered to consumers are very different Smile In the event of any legal issues, its hard for us to claim from Taiwanese companies Sad

Second question. The techinical capabilities mentioned in this broad framework requires tremendous R and D efforts. A simple check would have yield results that some would be world breaking feats. Has the company gotten any patents or in process patents for any Broadband wireless technology claimed by the website? Can anyone highlight any R and D activities and patents which will make the company a world leader in Wireless Broadband technology and hence would be worth billions with those 20 year old patents they might have?

cheers and have a nice day everyone
Wink

LegacyMan SG

The Emcom agreement is binded by taiwan law and sunshine is malaysia law. The company is coming up with a overall agreement by singapore law.

The technology wise, emcom's technology partner is Taiyee who has proven track record of build TamShui and GaoXiong Wireless. WeMax.net.tw is another ISP company similar to Emcom working together with Taiyee to build up Gao Xiong Wiress Infrastructure while we are taichung. You can email them to clarify. The Emcom COO is the CEO of Bluegine which is quite a establish technology company in singapore. They even went to the IDA's final selection of the [email protected] operation.

Nikonman SG

I see. Thanks for the clarifications. Are you familiar with Taiwanese, Malaysian and Singapore laws(Business ones like fair trade and consumer protection)?
How are these agremments different from each other? Which agreements gave the best consumer protection (80-100% money back?) or none at all? Do they issue shares? Have AGMs and EOGMs? What's their limits? Any venue to check cashflow situations (financial report)? Need to know how much they spend on infrasture, R and D as compared to marketing/PR/Sales.

Can you find out the patents under Emcom or Bluegine? Do they have any in the first place? If they dont have those patents, I think its best not to make claims on their websites. It can be misleading to people not familiar with wireless technology. Just say that they have done this, dont that...succeed this, succeed that and fail this fail that can already...This will be their track record....

Being the CEO of blugine and COO of Emcom, does he have any conflicts of interests? Is he on the board of directors as well (meaning he can move funds in and out between the 2 companies)? Sorry watch too much Taiwanese Drama seriel around 4.30 pm everyday...so got to worry a bit la

Cheers

jonzibonzi SG

Leave all prejudice aside laurence, i just want to know the facts and not your pass feuds feelings, thanks, care to share some fact of why it can or cannot work, i want to know more, thanks

LegacyMan SG

I am not good in business law, therefore i can't help you with those consumer right issues.

Emcom do not issued shares, its not a listed company. Its only less than one year old, same goes to AGM, EOGMs and finanical report. The cost for the infrastucture, R&D as well as marketing costs we won't know of it. Do pte ltd company disclose that ? Maybe they will do that after listed.

Emcom has the ISP approval from Taiwan to operate and build their internet infrastruture. I have a copy of that. Bluegine is not doing the project in Taiwan, only the CEO has become the COO of Emcom to help out in the building of the infrastructure. Emcom's technology partner, Taiyee has build tamshui town and gao xiong successfully, they are the partner of WeMax the company building wireless infrastructure in gao xiong.

COO of emcom does not means he is in the board of directors. Anyway i thought only listed company have board of directors ? Anyway emcom has already aquire bluegine, you guys can find in biznet, therefore there wun be any conflict.

Anyway about the moving funds issue i wun know about it, its too high management issues Very Happy

Hope i answers your questions and clear your doubts, and do let me know if you have any questions.

halth SG

Hey good to see a discussion going on here. My friend approached me too but I need these questions answered but he couldn't answer me.

So can anyone enlighten me on these issues?

1. From my research, the company that won the wireless contract in TaiChung is this company called APTG. Many online and trade publications have verified this fact and their link is also present in the official M-Taichung website (http://www.m-taichung.net.tw/).

Thus is emcom/tayee in anyway affiliated to them? Apparently their chosen provider is Proxim (http://www.govtech.net/dcarchive06/story.php?id=101633).

2. I've been shown the ISP License and proposal for the project. But what I really want to see is the official contract that says that Emcom (or its partners) has won the TaiChung wireless contract. That they haven't been able to produce.

Has anyone seen these? These are the 2 main points that are bothering me from investing inside.

the_fallen SG

Finally, some body who knows their stuff on Proper Investing, but there are a lot of investing pointers to actually look out for when investing.

I just be straight-foward - If you own any mutual funds, bonds, lots or anything which needs to be paid by money, and are classified in the Investments, YOU MUST BE ABLE TO OBTAIN A BLACK AND WHITE to CERTIFY that you are bonded what clauses(laws and rules + compensation % included clearly in contract in case of failing to meet quota), and the same goes to the company.

Just take a simple look at a BANK, what ever you do, when you throw $$ inside, they will give you Black & White.

This BLACK & WHITE is to safeguard each other's interest. If they can't even provide this basic piece of paper. No point investing in the company nor the plan.

LegacyMan SG

1. Thats the company choosen by TaiChung Govt to build the wireless infrasture with them. Emcom's is a private project not aided by Govt funds. For another private wireless project in GaoXiong you can refer to wemax.net.tw

2. I think i answered both of your questions right ? Anyway we are not affiliate to APTG or Govt for the project.

If its private project where would they have agreement with govt to share with you ? If they have then they are lying.

halth SG

That's something that is really new to me.

Everyone whom I have spoken to is under the impression that it's an officially sanctioned project, ie similar to what Singapore is doing.

Thanks for the info LegacyMan, think in the haste of getting pple into the project, many "recruiters" are often unsure of their own facts or are being mislead themselves.

On a side-note though, now with these facts, I am having serious doubts of it ever achieving that sky high ROI that it is has promised given the fact it is in direct competition with the free service that the govt is building (what i was told was that the ROI will come from the subscriptions that pple for emcom's services) and the host of other ISPs already on the market.

Also given the recent trend in the internet industry, the business model has rapidly shifted to online advertising and bundling of services as is evident in most countries. For eg TriplePlay by Comcast in the US, Singnet and Starhub bundling their internet services with cable/mobile lines, AOL and Google's shift in strategy etc. It would be hard to see that kind of money pouring in from pure subscriptions alone.

Anyone has any thoughts on this?

LegacyMan SG

Emcom's Wireless infrastructure will not only be earning from internet and VOIP. Other services include online advertising, IPTV, Internet CCTV etc.

Anyway Emcom's wireless is totally different with singapore. [email protected] is only meant for public area, which means only inceases of hot spot. Emcom's project in taiwa is build hot zone, which will include residential and public area. Anyway the APTG project wun be done until like 2 years time Razz

So far now we are the only company build wireless infrasture in taichung, APTG has not even started yet. Other ISP companies is just normal boardband and cable alike.

If you would like to know more info, we could meet up so that i can explain in more details. Most info we have is in offline status.

the_fallen SG

orh, no wonder you so super defensive in nti, so you must have invested in the investment plan as well.

best of luck my fren.

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