melaleuca

last SG · 2007-02-14T12:27:32+00:00

Btw me been tru lotsa MLM including Bel Air,Dolphin Warriors(DW Biomagnetism),Luxor,Omegatrend Etc..its hard when u need to know/sell your products as well a...

nwm SG

That's right!
However if you've got everything laid out on the table for you to make a choice / comparison, its better to choose one with more strengths than weaknesses.

Don't forget comp plan aside, the company fundamentals & products have to play an equal factor.

Most of the time, people do not give themselves a chance to lay out things on the table, and only make on-the-spot decisions.
Sitting on a decision also gets you nowhere...

...take a wise, balanced & educated approach.

the Bear SG

so, it's just selling...

normal selling...

there are no shops, nothing to build up the overheads..

just various layers of people, each layer branching out more layers beneath them..

okay... check Wink

just wondering now.. how thinly spread are the margins.. that is, how many levels until the product is unprofitable?

nwm SG

Originally posted by the Bear:
so, it's just selling...

normal selling...

there are no shops, nothing to build up the overheads..

just various layers of people, each layer branching out more layers beneath them..

okay... check Wink

just wondering now.. how thinly spread are the margins.. that is, how many levels until the product is unprofitable?

you're getting the drift!
1 refers 2 customers.
2 refers 4 customers.
etc.
etc.
it is all mathematics.

imagine if Starhub / Singtel, at its early stages rewards you for each person you refer to their services (& also theirs thereafter), imagine how many "layers" there would be now??
(but likely, from Singaporean habits, if we learn "Starhub/Singtel is mlm" we'd likely not sign up no matter how attractive the offers might be.
how intelligent we are.
Laughing
this mindset needs to go though.)

also, we are not saying it is magic... only those who do the work to promote the service/product will be able to achieve the growth.

the "mathematics" is the "smartness" of this particular concept of business. because the initial hard work to find 2 or 10 customers... will result in 100s or 1000s of sub-customers.
leveraging on the work of many, makes more sense than leveraging on yourself.

every company compensates its workers differently.
different % for different levels.
or, different % for different sales volumes.
no doubt the % may not seem big, but once your customer network grows to a particular size, the small % from large sales will be big enough.
don't forget if the company pays 0.5% to 200 workers who promote their products well, they are paying out 100% of their revenue.

so let's not be so harsh on the companies. they need to survive in order for products to be manufactured for distributors to continue promoting & making a legitimate livlihood.

that said, there are companies that payback 20% of annual revenue back to its distributors. & there are companies that payback 50%+.
which is more fair boils down to the overall package, and what makes your mind comfortable working with.

the Bear SG

have to be harsh because there are way too many scams...

btw, Enron was touted as a great corporation too..

again i ask, how many layers before it becomes unprofitable?

of all things, only math will not lie

nwm SG

again, we are using the "scam" word a little too loosely here.
do not forget this thread is about a solid company. and we are ourselves discussing other similar companies with solid fundamentals here.
(not the local mlm's with no proven track record except their own big words. & not the likes of swisscash which has no product.)

thus, if you missed out on the above posts... find a company that has proven financials rather than those that cannot prove.

will you invest money in a public listed company, or private company?
holding all factors equal, it is simply safer to go public.

ahh, yes, the mathematics.
firstly, those who are open to networking are with one company or another... so not everybody will be joining "abc" company.
-- there is no "saturation", so to speak.
and there's the larger human population which are not involved in any network marketing.

moreover, if one is promoting a infocomm network marketing company, it does not clash if one is also part of a health network marketing company.
the only loss is one's focus in his/her promotional work.

so the math.
for companies that promote a "6 customer" plan.
filling up the earning structure will result in exceeding the Sg population in 9 levels, and the US population in 11 levels.
again this does not happen in reality... so plans that promote many customers/distributors are still workable, so to speak.
(Nu Skin is a particular company that comes to mind with "6". Have they saturated the market and closed shop? They are $19 on the NYSE!)

but to minimise this "saturation" fear... why work with 4, 5, 6, 10 customer-minimum companies, when modern-day mlm's allow earnings starting with just 2?
http://networkmarketingtrialsandtribulations.blogspot.com/2006/08/working-plan.html

the Bear SG

btw, enron was publicly listed too Laughing

anyway, you guys go for it...

not my cup of tea... too many have been SCAMMED.. yes.. i use that word SCAMMED.. because on the invitation of people, i've sat in and listened to charlatans try to scam people into buying into the company, selling them 5 bottles of pills for $950 when i have googled similiar products in the open market for $40

and the only way they could get their money back (breakeven) was to scam another lot of people into paying out $950 (i calculated about 7 but they only allowed 5 per person.. you had to ante out another $950... to get more.. and pray that some of your 5 have their own lower level)

after some voodoo math by the fella, i begged to differ and showed him the real math, i was told curtly to leave...

now, does that sound like a scam? Laughing

somewhere out there, it is written that MLM is a dying industry.. the birth of the Internet has negated the need for MLM...

i hope you guys well Smile

Phat_Boyd SG

Since i'm not here for recruiting...y not give it a try....play ur part,sign up,refer someone..see it for urself...i've done it,and its a total diff from the MLM's i've joined earlier.. Laughing

Phat_Boyd SG

just refer melalouca to a fren..

Phat_Boyd SG

just give u a short...brief..when ur 1st referral purchasing his good for the 1st month...u'll get 25% of it and subsequently 7% for the 2nd month...and i mean CASH[/b]...nt products voucher,points etc..and will be bank in ur saving account...check it out personally at the address stated in my earlier post..

btw..i'm just helping you guy to noe melalouca better... Smile

Phat_Boyd SG

Originally posted by nwm:
1)
melaleuca is known even in its home country...
to "pretend" to not be a "mlm".

it's business falls clearly within network marketing / mlm jurisdictions.
so its an odd tactic.

in our opinion, for those who join thinking its not mlm... might be disappointed in a more devastating fashion when they find out the truth.

might as well be open about it and say "yes, melaleuca [b]is network marketing".

2)
payout?
you mean comp plan, mhcampboy?

melaleuca is a forced matrix.
the only good part is the spillover.
but even if you want to earn from the spillover downlines in Melaleuca... you, yourself, need to sponsor 4, 5, 6, 12, more & more & more customers/distributors to earn the larger product sales commissions.

i'm sure you guys know the pros & cons of matrix plans. do you other critiques know about it? See here:
http://networkmarketingtrialsandtribulations.blogspot.com/2007/01/something-big-thats-often.html

3)
melaleuca will promote to you that "we retain 90% of our customers".
well... just like most other network marketing businesses... there is the monthly autoship.
so the 90% figure is more like a "mandatory" one.

4)
nonetheless, melaleuca is testament that true network marketing still works in the skeptic capital of the world -- singapore.

so, there's nothing to be afraid of in checking out legitimate network marketing businesses (especially professional & established american ones) -- be it for product promotion... or simple product consumption.

5)
melaleuca is a decades old company.
privately owned & relatively good.
rather new in singapore.
but their global expansion is still (slowly) determined by the company's decisions.
in over a decade of existence, it is now still only operating in 10 or 10+ countries.

we have researched and they have clarified that to open new markets / countries (which is a lucrative aspect of network marketing) will take much admin & approvals & office to be put in place for melaleuca.

strong companies which are stable (some even public listed!!), and some which are young (less than 10 yrs), with strong products... have opened logistics to ship to 30 to 50 countries!
they may not have much business going in all 30/50 countries but at least they are "able" to ship products & conduct business.

which is more lucrative... surely us "educated" singaporeans can clearly determine from the above? Wink

hope that helps the general Sg population to figure melaleuca out.
Very Happy [/b]

Its up to individual ways of accepting things...i'm here not to decriminate or promote anything..btw...don't easily accept others opinion..its your's that matters...cause regret is not and option...Gd luck in exploring the markets.. Laughing

nwm SG

Originally posted by Phat_Boyd:

Its up to individual ways of accepting things...i'm here not to decriminate or promote anything..btw...don't easily accept others opinion..its your's that matters...cause regret is not and option...Gd luck in exploring the markets.. Laughing

All 5 pointers raised are FACTS and not "opinions".
Yes, regret is not an option, but at least the law is there to protect the consumer / biz owner who chooses legitimate companies.

nwm SG

Originally posted by the Bear:
btw, enron was publicly listed too Laughing

anyway, you guys go for it...

not my cup of tea... too many have been SCAMMED.. yes.. i use that word SCAMMED.. because on the invitation of people, i've sat in and listened to charlatans try to scam people into buying into the company, selling them 5 bottles of pills for $950 when i have googled similiar products in the open market for $40

and the only way they could get their money back (breakeven) was to scam another lot of people into paying out $950 (i calculated about 7 but they only allowed 5 per person.. you had to ante out another $950... to get more.. and pray that some of your 5 have their own lower level)

after some voodoo math by the fella, i begged to differ and showed him the real math, i was told curtly to leave...

now, does that sound like a scam? Laughing

somewhere out there, it is written that MLM is a dying industry.. the birth of the Internet has negated the need for MLM...

i hope you guys well Smile

Mr/Ms Bear, are you some1 who needs to improve on comprehension too?
your point about enron is kinda off-topic. there are fraudsters in every industry. doh!
we said: "will you invest money in a public listed company, or private company? holding all factors equal, it is simply safer to go public. "

your post simply shows what your intentions are here on sgforums. to pick on the negatives and build a case for yourself.
"you guys go for it" is your last ditch remark after every generic industry fact has been replied to you.
again, skeptics abound in anything... religion, sales, even... employment, etcetc.

"SCAMMED" -- again loosely used by Ms Bear.
you may have attended a presentation by an un-feasible company. that's all.
and you are so quick to judge all companies by that one experience.
Shocked
ok... let us pose you this question we had raise before:
Extrim / Xando is sold quite steadily over the counter at Watson's / Guardian. (FYI, its slimming effect is much safer & natural than negative products like slim10.)
If a brand with similar ingredients & effectiveness & equal/more credible country of origin, is available 40% discounted, which will you choose to purchase?
This is a real case of products available via MLM.

what is your "real math"?? Laughing
-- you have challenged others, and have not shown any from your own brilliant mind.

does what sound like a scam??
-- it could be that you weren't very nice about what you were doing. if you went to an acquaintance's house & started complaining about the mom's cooking right in the middle of dinner... where do you think you'll be sitting in 5 minutes? @ the dinner table???

"somewhere out there, it is written that" Ms Bear is a boliao sgforum stalker.
are we to believe "somewhere out there"?
no, right? you might be the most decent citizen ever. (just a little skeptical, that's all Wink )

"the internet" is a very good point.
what was your point about "negation"??
actually, the web will only serve to assist network marketing... especially for people who are resourceful enough to tap the vast marketing strategies available.
one's previous (local) market would have been friends/families... but the internet has reversed all of that and opened up the GLOBAL market -- everybody is your customer.
one doesn't even have to "face" his/her customer anymore. deals can be cut via email / websites.
(why do you think swisscash (though illegal) was able to garner such widespread interest??)
any internet whizzes wanting to expand their income from online activities... come talk to us. Very Happy

duotiga83 SG

yosh….make it a shot…..

Phat_Boyd SG

Hmm...lets take the example of iraqi dinars and swiss cash...heard a lot of discrimination/rumours from locals reporters fearing to be conned...guess wat.. i'm an investor for both...get my returns for the iraqi dinars...in USD3.6k for just referrals(hmm..well got gd responds fr colleague/clients) recently..jz awaiting for the 15th months of my swiss cash offshore investment...kp u update again when the time is due...Well..everything has it own risk either low or high..no risk means no returns(conned)..gd luck

Btw..recently just invest in www.buyebarrel.com..

Check it out...Although I'm Not A Risk Taker...I like to explore/experience it by myself...not by thoughts or opinnions fr others...NO Pain NO GAIN..

Pee_Jay SG

tsk tsk tsk, bear bear bear, dats y I always feel lucky to be in SG coz this country has the most scepticle people in the world, its a good training ground actually. We need a lot of people like you and its good for training people like us believe in MLM or CDM.

Nvm dat way of your wise thinking, there are still people out there still believe with regards about MLM or CDM....cheers! Razz

joetanbk SG

I have tried and dabbled into various MLMs such as Amway, Nu Skin and Bel-air and did not have good experiences with it. Although their compensation plans are much more attractive, they are also extremely prone to manipulation and you can end up losing lots of inventory.

I was really skeptical at first, but my wife and my retired father started it and is now reaping in a good decent monthly paycheck that is increasing by the month whilst working on it part-time. (I'm still hitting myself on the head on hesistating and now signing up Embarassed ) The best part is that the investment is really small. Just $50 to get you off with a full business kit and you're off.

Another reason why this is going to take off... is that the company has not launched its 'internet ordering' and 'enrolment' portal yet (expected mid-Apr / May). Yes, it is still that new in Singapore.

If you are interested, pse PM me or visit our website at 'www.melaleucasingapore.com'. We'll be able to provide you more details there...

sonic_16 SG

how about saturation?

Pee_Jay SG

hi sonic 16...like to ask you about saturation...

what is "saturation"?

pardon my pun... Rolling Eyes

joetanbk SG

As for saturation, melaleuca has just set up shop in singapore just a little a year ago... currently only 16,000 people have signed up and we're far from being saturated. Almost everyone we've recommended have not heard of it yet (unlike Nu Skin, Usana, Amway) and most were quite impressed with the pricing and quality of the products.

the_fallen SG

$50 is kind of expensive...

i've got offers costing less than that..

and the products works as well..

with regards to the mlm companies that you've mentioned, from what i observed, most of them if not all of them emphasis on sales more than recruitment..

but since we're talking about positive residual income each month with lots of repeat sales, thus it's okay to choose companies which concentrate on sales rather networking..

correct me if i'm wrong in anyway..

thank you

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