Attitude count

last SG · 2005-07-14T00:44:51+00:00

I do agree with what OH FF said. If any point u wish to disagree on the effectiveness of the products, challenge it from other views, for example, from a me...

lifeline SG

Hi All,

I am glad to find this forum, but also sad to see MLMer flaming one another. Talking bad about another company, that will create a bad impression of the industry. Let focus on our own business, why be bother by what the other comment on another company.

I hope to collaborate with many MLMer in this forum to build a successful network together. I can't do it alone, I need your help. Thank you

Quote - Colin Powell
"Organization doesn't really accomplish anything. Plans
don't accomplish anything, either. Theories of management
don't much matter. Endeavors succeed or fail because of
the people involved. Only by attracting the best people will
you accomplish great deeds."

Jane Smith SG

Yeah lor...very sad...

Especially the one about NTI...I think it's becoming messy that ppl are just flaming each other when they have noting else to say or back-up what they claim.

I guess there are always bad eggs in a company. I do believe that there are definately unpleasant situation when one realise that he is not getting what he is expecting in that company.

Whether good or bad, we should be fair and truthful to what we post here. Not to be just getting emotional over it to get back at the company.

Everyone will try to stand-by their beliefs in his/her own MLM company but why flame on one another?

Ito_^ SG

Ya, no wonder USA caused so much trouble. Laughing

laurence82 SG

Who says its MLMers flaming one another?

I can assure u, a large percentage of the peeps here arent MLMers. Laughing

And one mistake most MLMers make is that they assume they are right, and that others owe them a living.

They forget that their income comes from attracting people in. MLM are not churches or evangelistic spiritual groups.

If one keep thinking the world revolves around him, i want to wait and see where he can get his income from.

Jane Smith SG

Isn't it contridicting that non-MLMers trying to say and justify about MLM?

Just like a fish-monger telling a vegetable buyers how fresh the vege is..... duh....

teekh SG

Erm...it's entirely possible for a fish-monger to know the freshness of the vege. Even my grandma and mother and father and lanjiao can do it.... Laughing

laurence82 SG

This is ridiculous.

Alredi many non mlmers told many mlmers that they must show that they earn b4 the non mlmers are convinced mlm can work.

Ms Jane is saying that she will show us her first million dollars earned b4 we all will go join her?

Sure, we are waiting.

lifeline SG

I believe not all MLMer are like what you have said.

We are only interested in attracting the right people, not all people. For some, MLM may be it. For others, it's probably not.

I personally say NO people who demonstrate negative attitude when it comes to talking to them about my business. Because I don't need them. They will only make my business difficult for me. Few people will see the opportunity in the same light as I do, I have no problem with that. Just say " Thank you for your time" and move on.

laurence82 SG

I meant all those who display those agressive attitudes

lifeline SG

There are many successful people in any MLM company. If these non MLMer really need to see success before joining, they just need to go to a MLM meeting to look for the top producers.

I guess this is just an excuse, they are not the right person to prospect. Ms Jane, dont waste your time.

laurence82 SG

That is a very negative attitude on your part.

In fact, i am not anti MLM myself,

You lack persistence, and wanting to find the right person. What is it in your products or marketing plan etc that fails to light up enthusiasm in non mlmers? Have you considered these issues before you want to pick on people attitude?

In fact, a lot of successful MLM companies i see influence and change, rather than pick the right person.

If not, your company can choose not to do MLM, but rather go back to the common recruitment drive for marketing executives.

Btw, Ms Jane comes from a company that fits the characteristics of a pyramid schemes, as opposed to the usuall MLM companies. Are you encouraging such practices?

pisces8 SG

When we write it here, it appears very reasonable. But when in the Hall, when brother and sisters are roped in, when friends are roped in, when colleague are roped in, when relatives are roped in, it is a totally different story. The amount of pressure cooking can be terrible. The weak minds will cave in and only a few able to sit up and say no.

http://www.pyramidschemealert.org/PSAMain/pyramids/pyramids.html

leddy SG

Sometimes I feel sad for the mlmers, esp those who invested alot of money and time and ended up poorer...

but come to think about it. mlm does provide some opportunities for ppl who not much of higher education to make a decent salary. Imagine if you dont have at least a diploma or degree in singapore, it's so hard to find any job, needless to say a decent paying job.

at least mlm provide these ppl with something to do, some means of supporting themselves, and some have make it big, whether or not thru scamming means I dont want to comment.

This is the only positive thing I recognise in mlm

quite tired of arguing here... everytime lim peh come out with all those arguments about business, kenna the mlm ppl always never reply to my pts one. always jump to something else.... sian liao hahaa no more fun for me

lifeline SG

Screening is essential in order not to spare to much time to convict other into your plan, especially when one think that MLM is not for them. If I am persistence, they will say "you are hard selling" , right. Move on...

Even recruitment dirve will specific their requirement and screen unqualify person, in order not to waste time and recruit the wrong staff.

If you are the boss, would you prefer quality people under you or just anybody who you convict to join your company?

Beside there are so many different products and marketing plan. I might not have the right product or marketing plan that suit everyone preference.

lifeline SG

Would you say "yes" if your friends, relative is prospecting you?

If someone intention is to recruit the weak mind. It will be likely that the structure will fail and not having any residual income. The weak mind will just be a number in the downline structure. When they fail, you have one more person to tell the world that mlm does not work.

Only those who are seriously willing to work on the plan have chance of making income.

lifeline SG

I feel sad too. Many invest their money and thought they can make lot of money easily without doing much. It really sad to see so many people fail without seriously committing time and effort to make it happen for them.

It is not attenting the meeting, buying of products and evaluating the company, hunting for the best comp plan that make money. You need to be able to sit down and talk to people able your venture. How many people have they share the marketing plan/products? How long are they in the MLM before they call it quit?

In general, it take 2~5 years to see result in MLM.

leddy SG

MLM is good, and can even make u F**king rich, notice I use the F word. It’s the ultimate complement. The tricky thing alot of ppl dont not see in dealing with mlm is this. MLM companies may have little overhead costs, which also means, they have little barrier to entry, therefore it’s like bubble tea effect. you can make alot of money in mlm, but what happens is, alot of ppl also can do mlm, and when u have alot of ppl doing it, your profit margin and market become smaller. What’s more you are already competing with thousands of products out there selling in retail shops, such as health and skincare products. It’s not an ezy business…. think twice b4 u jump into it…

teekh SG

the say it's working as a team, but essentially, there's still competition - fierce ones.

Let's say max 2 levels down. So any one 3 levels below or above is actually in direct competition. There's still competition within 3 levels up/down, just that it's let's obvious; guy 2 levels down still competing with the one just above you, thus the guy above you still in competition for your income from guy 2 levels down.

Anyway, I think it's crap to compare normal corporates with MLM. MLM is just a subset of it only. If everyone in company MLMers, then who's in charge of production, R&D, accounting, finance, etc?

The argument by www.mlm.ch about leveraging other people's efforts is pure nonsense. In normal corpoations, the reason why people at the top earn more is because they leverage people's efforts so they themselves can do more productive work(supervisor, manager, etc), and hence earn more. Afterall, pple with the calibre to be CEO should not be purely involved in cleaning toilets, acting as salesmen(they do that only to motivate workers), doing admin work, respectively, when he has more essential/productive things to do. In MLM, essentially people from all levels are salesmen. So how is the one above be doing more productive work by leveraging others' efforts and hence deserve to earn more? There's still this loophole that he could do little work, and yet earn from his downline's efforts. How is this fair?

laurence82 SG

With regards to lifeline post and to add on to leddy's ones

There is one quite big flaw i see.

If lifeline chooses to only select and recruit only qualified people to join his network, and his downlines choose to do the same thing, the end losers will be the downlines.

Look, seriously, there is only a limited number of people who fits in your criteria. To top it off, its impossible to go find them all into your network.

You may have qualified and well trained downlines whom you leverage your income on, assuming your company is a legal one, and that the income are from your own sales and your downlines' sales as well.

But when the downlines find that they have dwindling number of people whom they can leverage their income on, to who they turn to?

We all know this, without continual recruitment, the fundamentals of MLM fails. Lifeline could have his network plus his own sales to depend on, while his downlines could only depend on sales alone, without the power of leverage.

Now, isnt such scheme stupendously unfair to your downlines? Your quest for quality people is understandable, but it may come at costs to your downlines.

and lifeline have not answered my question. many of us have regard ms jane's company as a scam, with some victims already crying out for refunds which they could not possibly get back. is lifeline actually supporting such scheme? and we all noe what ms jane is here for after the brouhaha over those topics.

pisces8 SG

This is what you write here.

This is not what happened in the Hall. It is pressure cooking. Whole intention is to get one to sign up and pay. Never talk about failure but only how successful it can be, and how much money is to be made. And example of how each of the upline making thousands.

That is why there is one more person in this place to tell the world that mlm does not work.